Boise State 33, Virginia Tech 30 (final)

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

I am not 100% sure which team was being referred to, but I remember the Boise State coach slamming the Big Ten because there were teams with open dates, but no one would schedule them.

If in fact it was OSU, we had a chance to get them on the schedule. Pretty sure with the expansion going on at that time, we needed flexibility in the schedule and that is why it didn't happen. Really, which one looks better; an OOC game vs. Boise State or a conference opener with OSU at Nebraska?

I guess what I am getting at is yes, we can only play the team in front of us, but the powers that be put those teams there.

And the powers the be at Boise State said "no" to a game with Nebraska. Go figure.

 

[LordJeffBuck]

Here's something to think about....

If you had to bet on which teams would be in the top 15 in the 2020 preseason poll, who would you choose? None of the current players would still be around, and just a few of the current coaches. Schedules would not yet be set, and even the conferences might be vastly different. So who would be on your list?

You'd probably be safe with the current "elite" teams like Ohio State, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma ... maybe Alabama and Southern Cal (although they might be on probabtion again ) ... another SEC team or two like LSU or Georgia or Auburn or Tennessee ... another Big Ten team or two like Penn State or Nebraska or Iowa or Wisconsin ... will Michigan and Notre Dame be back? Will Miami and Florida State be back to elite status? Will Virginia Tech and Oregon remain near the top? No one from the Big East or the non-BCS conferences ... except maybe Boise State.

If you're a betting man, I think that you have to put Boise State on your top 15 list. They are certainly a safer bet than Wisconsin or Auburn or Penn State or Tennessee ... much less Michigan or Notre Dame. And if Boise State is a perennial top-15 team, then why is there so much "hate" for them right now?

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

My opinion as a Boise St. fan for the past ~5-6 years (also a bigger OSU fan):

Let them play for the BCS championship if they go undefeated, and if there are one or less undefeated other teams.

I know there is a ton of venom out there about an undeserving BSU making the title game on the backs of two good teams, and a bunch of patsies, but hear me out here:

Boise State has had a pretty decent record for what they are. They beat TCU and Oklahoma in bowl games, and lost 4 bowl games by a total of 10 points. They've played much more consistently than a lot of programs have in this decade, and deserve their shot.

Would they be as deserving as some other teams? Potentially. But if we let them in, what are the major repercussions? If they win, it proves that BCS conferences are a sham, and we get a playoff system that we deserve. If they lose, then what? Could BSU getting hammered in a NC game really be worse than OSU-FL in 06, or USC-OK in 04?

Personally, I hope they make it, and lose to OSU.

I'm not really ready to waste a NC game on a whim or experiment.

 

[Muck]

If you're a betting man, I think that you have to put Boise State on your top 15 list.

Why?

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Here's something to think about....

If you had to bet on which teams would be in the top 15 in the 2020 preseason poll, who would you choose? None of the current players would still be around, and just a few of the current coaches. Schedules would not yet be set, and even the conferences might be vastly different. So who would be on your list?

You'd probably be safe with the current "elite" teams like Ohio State, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma ... maybe Alabama and Southern Cal (although they might be on probabtion again ) ... another SEC team or two like LSU or Georgia or Auburn or Tennessee ... another Big Ten team or two like Penn State or Nebraska or Iowa or Wisconsin ... will Michigan and Notre Dame be back? Will Miami and Florida State be back to elite status? Will Virginia Tech and Oregon remain near the top? No one from the Big East or the non-BCS conferences ... except maybe Boise State.

If you're a betting man, I think that you have to put Boise State on your top 15 list. They are certainly a safer bet than Wisconsin or Auburn or Penn State or Tennessee ... much less Michigan or Notre Dame. And if Boise State is a perennial top-15 team, then why is there so much "hate" for them right now?

I'm certainly willing to concede Boise as a top 15 team. Anyone who watches college football, I think, would have to admit that Boise is indeed a good, sound, team. If any sweeping reorganization ever happens (and it seems like it will) Boise "deserves" (I hate that word, but.. whatever) a seat at the "big boy" table. Along with that seat, however, comes a "big boy" schedule. If they are able to play a reasonably comparable schedule to the other marquee teams, I won't have any problem with Boise State getting a title game appearance.

It's not a credit to the game, in my opinion, to afford a school a shot at a title when that team hasn't earned it against "equal" competition (equal being relative to that being impossible in the current CFB format). Like I've said... when Ball State goes 12-0 prior to their MAC championship game, no one is arguing they should also get a shot. And I have to believe the reason why, all things being equal, is because people know that Ball State isn't really playing "big boy" football.

 

[LordJeffBuck]

Why?

Why not? What's your top 15 then, eh?

 

[Bucklion]

Why not? What's your top 15 then, eh?

In 2020? Who the hell knows? Utah, TCU, Marshall, Houston, Hawaii, hell even Fresno State...these teams have all made runs as "mid-major" teams, and were at one time or another considered "the future" as well as Boise State is now. If Peterson leaves, who is to say that they won't revert back to what Hawaii has turned into after June Jones left or what Marshall has turned into after conference-hopping? I'm not really ready to concede that ANY team is guaranteed a top 15 spot in 2020...look at what Ohio State went through between 1990 and 2000.

 

[SloopyHangOn]

Why not? What's your top 15 then, eh?

I don't think that was the point.

I think the point was why, in ten years, must we assume that Boise State is still considered at top 15 team.

EDIT: What Bucklion said.

 

[Diego-Bucks]

Why not? What's your top 15 then, eh?

Well, if you are looking so far ahead into the future, 2020, I think you'd project the historically great programs with big budgets to continue their grasp on the top-15 rankings. I have no reason to believe that looking back 10 years and not seeing Boise State relevant until about 6 years ago that in another ten years they will have sustained that success.

Off the top of my head, here are teams I would rank higher than Boise State not knowing anything other than who they are and the 2020 time-line:

SEC: Georgia, Florida, Tennessee, LSU, Alabama, Auburn
Big East: Pitt, West Virginia
ACC: Florida State, Miami
Big Ten: Ohio State, Penn State, Nebraska, Michigan, Wisconsin
Big-12: Texas, Oklahoma
Pac-10: USC, Oregon
Independent: Notre Dame

This is not even including the higher-end possibilities of current above-average/mediocre programs who can rise into some sort of "dominance-streak" like: UCLA, BYU, Utah, Texas A&M, Iowa, North Carolina, Clemson, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Michigan State, Virginia Tech, California, Washington to name a few. I would lump Boise State into this category, but I wouldn't even have them that high. The reason? Their budget may not allow it, they may lose Chris Peterson to another big-time program, they will have to compete in a new conference (changes may be heading their way competitively) and they may begin to lose their marquee games. They are not afforded a chance to mess up too often as it is NOW, let alone when/if that mess up happens in a sustained manner.

I'm not a Boise State hater, I think I just don't really care enough about them to argue that they are a perennial power when history shows us that it is often the case they are not.

 

[Muck]

Why not?

The architects of the current success are going to be long gone. They'll be in a conference with greater competition. The program doesn't have the resources to sustain long term success. Small time programs that have managed to play at a top level for 20+ years continuously are non-existent.

The 'why nots' are numerous.

So again what are the 'whys'?

What's your top 15 then, eh?

I'll run the numbers & get back to you. Diego-Bucks list is probably a good start. For the long shots with a good chance of making the list I'd be looking at programs in geographically friendly areas & weak conferences that look to have a commitment to the football program...schools like UCF & Houston are probably good bets to start with.

 

[BayBuck]

Most likely will have a completely different coaching staff. Moving into a conference with increased competition. The program doesn't have the resources to sustain long term success. Small time programs that have managed to play at a top level for 20+ years continuously are non-existent.

The 'why nots' are numerous.

So again what are the 'whys'?

BOISE BEAT OKLAHOMA IN THE GREATEST GAME EVER!

:tongue2:

 

[BigWoof31]

So again what are the 'whys'?

Notre Dame consistently plays a garbage schedule and if they went undefeated is there any doubt they'd be given HEAVY consideration for the BCS Championship game?

Damn - at least Boise has earned it over the course of 4+ years.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Notre Dame consistently plays a garbage schedule and if they went undefeated is there any doubt they'd be given HEAVY consideration for the BCS Championship game?

Damn - at least Boise has earned it over the course of 4+ years.

I have grown to really really despise the "they've earned it over the course of ...." shit. Again, does Ohio State get to point to beating Texas in 2006 as an indicator of their merit in 2010? Does it make one bit of difference that the Buckeyes beat Oregon in the 2010 Rose Bowl? No.

Those arguments don't work for undisputed legit contenders, and they can't work for Boise State.

Georgia won't get a shot at the title in 2010 because Hershel Walker was an outstanding Freshman running back 20+ years ago.

I admit that "reputation" is earned on what you've done in the past, and even the big schools benefit from how they are perceived historically. I'm OK with that being a consideration. I am not OK with that being a "Reason"

 

[jlb1705]

Go back and look at the final AP polls from 2005, 2000, 1995, etc. There's a lot over turnover from one to the next. Hell, even our Buckeyes are missing from one of 'em :(. The point is, asserting that any one team will be contender in ten years' time seems rather foolish. Even for the historically best programs, it comes and goes in cycles. In the meantime, the path along the way is littered with teams like Colorado, Colorado State, Oregon State, Northwestern, Washington, West Virginia, Purdue, etc.

 

[Diego-Bucks]

I have grown to really really despise the "they've earned it over the course of ...." shit. Again, does Ohio State get to point to beating Texas in 2006 as an indicator of their merit in 2010? Does it make one bit of difference that the Buckeyes beat Oregon in the 2010 Rose Bowl? No.

Those arguments don't work for undisputed legit contenders, and they can't work for Boise State.

Georgia won't get a shot at the title in 2010 because Hershel Walker was an outstanding Freshman running back 20+ years ago.

I admit that "reputation" is earned on what you've done in the past, and even the big schools benefit from how they are perceived historically. I'm OK with that being a consideration. I am not OK with that being a "Reason"

Exactly. Past performances shouldn't help the team in 2010's justification for the championship.