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Excellent effort does not necessarily equal excellence - although you would like to think so with the right talent.
I haven't watched the tape yet (not sure I can) but have been told Barton got a number of reps and looked good. Can anybody comment on that?
I haven't watched the tape yet (not sure I can) but have been told Barton got a number of reps and looked good. Can anybody comment on that?
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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
"was there ever a squad who once....not to mention twice....struggled to run the football like the buckeyes have done the past two years... i mean its an utter joke...."
Peabody here with the Wayback Machine. Yeah, mid sixties. You need this for future reference, Larry Snyder's track team had zero sprinters at the time, Jess Owens having long since moved on. Terrific O Line that just carved canyons out of the opposing defensive linemen, but the running back at the time was one huge guy named Tom Barrington and Barrington just could not get to the line in time to run through the holes. I'm sitting at the 35 in C deck (back when students could get good seats) and watching the same scenario play out time after time, ball snapped, guard and tackle do the Moses number and split the sea, and the crowd tingles and gasps anticipating a 10, 20, 30 yard gain, but Barrington has yet to clear the starting blocks, linebacker and corner run up to fill the hole, slam Barrington to the ground, 2nd and 11. Late in the second half bucks down by 3, they recover a fumble on the enemy's 45 and the crowd goes nuts. Offense lines up and the ball goes to Barrington again and again a huge hole opens and again he can't get there and it's 2 and 11 and the stadium moans. From out of no where a voice wails, "Where do we get these running backs?" and another voice answers, "From the track team!" The whole section collapses in laughter. Maybe you had to be there to get the full affect. But the point is that Woody saw the future. His backs became quicker, witness Jim Otis, Archie, John Brockington, Leo Hayden, and the era of Bob Furgeson and Tom Brockington type runners ended. the game had changed and so did Woody. I hope Tressel will also.
Peabody here with the Wayback Machine. Yeah, mid sixties. You need this for future reference, Larry Snyder's track team had zero sprinters at the time, Jess Owens having long since moved on. Terrific O Line that just carved canyons out of the opposing defensive linemen, but the running back at the time was one huge guy named Tom Barrington and Barrington just could not get to the line in time to run through the holes. I'm sitting at the 35 in C deck (back when students could get good seats) and watching the same scenario play out time after time, ball snapped, guard and tackle do the Moses number and split the sea, and the crowd tingles and gasps anticipating a 10, 20, 30 yard gain, but Barrington has yet to clear the starting blocks, linebacker and corner run up to fill the hole, slam Barrington to the ground, 2nd and 11. Late in the second half bucks down by 3, they recover a fumble on the enemy's 45 and the crowd goes nuts. Offense lines up and the ball goes to Barrington again and again a huge hole opens and again he can't get there and it's 2 and 11 and the stadium moans. From out of no where a voice wails, "Where do we get these running backs?" and another voice answers, "From the track team!" The whole section collapses in laughter. Maybe you had to be there to get the full affect. But the point is that Woody saw the future. His backs became quicker, witness Jim Otis, Archie, John Brockington, Leo Hayden, and the era of Bob Furgeson and Tom Brockington type runners ended. the game had changed and so did Woody. I hope Tressel will also.
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martinss01
blissfully stupid
your right, hawk and nugent stunk up the field.DEBuckeye said:
alot of guys showed up and played well. but this is called a "team" sport for a reason. it only takes the actions (or inactions) of 1 guy to completely negate the actions of 10.
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OSUBasketballJunkie
Never Forget 31-0
Maybe they should grade the O line has a group at this point, maybe that would send another message that they are not getting it done as a group, giving out individual grades is nice but I havent seen alot of great things from the group as a whole.
Kirk Barton played well and was rewarded with his first start this saturday vs Iowa.
Kirk Barton played well and was rewarded with his first start this saturday vs Iowa.
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DiHard
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barton was the only thing i could watch in that game and feel good about......i thought he played great...considering...
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BuckeyeBlitz04
Senior
Running game..
From the article above: "OSU finished with 99 yards on the ground against the Badgers, their highest total since 245 against Cincinnati in the season opener. But the second half last Saturday was abysmal as the Buckeyes netted minus-3 yards on the ground on 10 second-half carries as a team."
They had 102 yards in the first half, then the bucks abandoned the running game to pass the ball. 10 carries is just not enough to open up the passing game. Stick with the run, then do play action passes! Someone(coaches) made some bad desicions! Just my .02 though!
From the article above: "OSU finished with 99 yards on the ground against the Badgers, their highest total since 245 against Cincinnati in the season opener. But the second half last Saturday was abysmal as the Buckeyes netted minus-3 yards on the ground on 10 second-half carries as a team."
They had 102 yards in the first half, then the bucks abandoned the running game to pass the ball. 10 carries is just not enough to open up the passing game. Stick with the run, then do play action passes! Someone(coaches) made some bad desicions! Just my .02 though!
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martinss01
blissfully stupid
*ponders* so we had 102 yrds in the first half, then -3 on 10 attempts in the second. not to be a kill joy... but umm.... by my math 20 attempts equates to -6 rushing... im not sure how you think that is going to open up the passing lanes. wiscy adjusted their defense to what we were doing. we couldn't run the ball (-3 on 10 attempts is kinda obvious to the point) so we went a seperate route. our problem was execution plain and simple. we had the right matchups. we should have won that game. we simply put didn't make it happen. we missed an easy 6 on 3 different occasions. that would have more than won this game.
as much as i am guitly for complaining about tressel i really do have to feel for the guy. he gets reamed for not oppening up the offense and running predictable calls. then he gets reamed for not running the ball on 3rd and 1. how can you get any more predictable than to run it in that situation?
as much as i am guitly for complaining about tressel i really do have to feel for the guy. he gets reamed for not oppening up the offense and running predictable calls. then he gets reamed for not running the ball on 3rd and 1. how can you get any more predictable than to run it in that situation?
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KillerNut
Banned
Why oh why do we have these problems?
If you have a kid who wants to walk on as a linemen encourage them, we need help, and they can't be worse.
Edit: After I wrote that I thought about it and decided that really it is more the lack of Bollman Coaching that might make the better. Not tallent.
If you have a kid who wants to walk on as a linemen encourage them, we need help, and they can't be worse.
Edit: After I wrote that I thought about it and decided that really it is more the lack of Bollman Coaching that might make the better. Not tallent.
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tsteele316
Mr. Such and Such
*ponders* so we had 102 yrds in the first half, then -3 on 10 attempts in the second. not to be a kill joy... but umm.... by my math 20 attempts equates to -6 rushing... im not sure how you think that is going to open up the passing lanes.
In all fairness, i believe 3 of those "rushes" were qb sacks, and one was zwick divingover the pile for a 1st down pickup. i also believe one was a scramble that got a few yards. That really only leaves at most 5 actual carries by the backs. osu should have most certainly utilized the run more.
In all fairness, i believe 3 of those "rushes" were qb sacks, and one was zwick divingover the pile for a 1st down pickup. i also believe one was a scramble that got a few yards. That really only leaves at most 5 actual carries by the backs. osu should have most certainly utilized the run more.
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FKAGobucks877
The Most Power-Drunk
It's hard to find time to run the ball when you're playing catch-up...
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ScarletArrow
I'm wearing Gold Pants
So if Sims and Mangold are grading out as our top lineman week after week - who is grading out as the lowest? Who is our weakest link?
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I also thought Quinn Pitcock played well. Don't know how he graded out but he was in the offensive backfield all day long.
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martinss01
blissfully stupid
when one of your "top linemen" has his best game of the year and still doesn't grade to a winning performance the issue of weakest link becomes rather blurredScarletArrow said:
. i can respect that arguement. but i don't think you can argue that we ran successfully against wiscy. it was almost an afterthought and a gimmick play. so with the game in doubt and time not being on our side, it doesn't bother me nor did i expect us to hang our hopes on a set of tailbacks that have yet to prove they can handle the load against any team. let alone a good one.
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