Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[BUCKYLE]

Okie Lite might be a flash in the pan, but I don't see TCU beating UT or Okie regularly. There's just too much of a talent and program discrepancy. It would be like folding a successful MAC team into the Big Ten and saying that they'll start beating Ohio State and (non-Dick Rod) Michigan regularly.

Unless Mack Brown has really lost it on the coaching side, Texas wins 3 out of 4, and that's assuming Patterson stays. They beat out TCU for every recruit in Texas and have the largest athletic budget in the country divided among only 16 sports with which to roll. Texas really didn't want TCU in, so you don't think they'll have a little extra incentive to make sure that little brother stays firmly beneath the hobnailed boot?

If he has lost it, he'll retire and they'll hire Patterson.

 

[Muck]

.../snip/...

2. Give me just about any combination of BC, Rutgers, Maryland, UVA, GTech, ND, UNC, Toronto (Yes, I realize some of these could never happen)

Moll's original 'Public Ivies' included UNC Chapel Hill & Virginia. Among his 'worth runner-ups' were Georgia Tech & Pitt.

Greene's Guides lists

Northeast:
Rutgers
UConn (really?)

Mid Atlantic:
Maryland
Virginia

Southern:
Florida
Georgia
UNC
Texas

I'd be thrilled with any combination of the above (minus UConn).

Miami is on both lists as well and while there is zero chance of an invite....just think of the butt hurt UC fans if the Redhawks got in over them.

3. I might have to assassinate Delany if he lets in any of Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, or any other Big 12 team not UT, or any Big East team (save Rutgers - thanks ORD).

I could live with Kansas but that would be it.

Also - our AuTx friend may want to snicker at TCU, but now that there in a big boy conference they will get more exposure when they start regularly beating OU, Texas, and Ok State. And they will hold their own against those folks.

You might want to google "All time SWC standings".

They've been down this road before.

 

[DaveyBoy]

the SWC has been dead since the early 1990s.....doesn't matter any longer....just ask Baylor, SMU, and aTm. How's Houston faring these days ?

TCU has won a BCS bowl more recently than Texas

TCU is closer to home for the hotbed of Texas recruiting...it's not a foregone conclusion that Texas is going to continue to roll TCU in recruiting. If TCU can come in and compete effectively vs OU, UT, and OkSU, they will firmly plant themselves in the upper tier of Big12 programs

put it this way: TCU is a better program than aTm RIGHT NOW.

You might want to google "All time SWC standings".

They've been down this road before.

 

[Muck]

the SWC has been dead since the early 1990s.....doesn't matter any longer....just ask Baylor, SMU, and aTm. How's Houston faring these days ?

Ask Baylor, SMU, A&M & Houston what exactly?

Baylor & Aggy have performed in the Big 12 at about the same level as they did in the SWC.

SMU & Houston both just had 10+ win seasons in another weak conference.

TCU has won a BCS bowl more recently than Texas

And in 20 years they'll still be talking about that last big bowl victory.

TCU is closer to home for the hotbed of Texas recruiting...it's not a foregone conclusion that Texas is going to continue to roll TCU in recruiting.

UC is closer to the hotbed of SW Ohio recruiting.

Put them in the B1G, they aren't going to start rolling Ohio State.

If TCU can come in and compete effectively vs OU, UT, and OkSU, they will firmly plant themselves in the upper tier of Big12 programs

Ifs and buts are like candy and nuts.

put it this way: TCU is a better program than aTm RIGHT NOW.

If A&M had spent the last few years playing in an elementary school league their record would look pretty gaudy as well.

FSU hasn't won the freakin' ACC since 2005. They've been losing to Wake Forest regularly.
Kansas St. had a ten win season last year. They previously hadn't won more than 7 games since 2003.
TCU has an inflated record from playing in the MWC.
Texas Tech has fallen off the face of the earth since the pirate left.

A league fighting with the ACC to be #4 doesn't say 'pretty good' football, it shouts 'mediocre' football.

The conference would be in the same long term position it is currently...Texas & Oklahoma surrounded by a bunch of other schools fighting for scraps.

 

[PlanetFrnd]

Mol
Northeast:
Rutgers
UConn (really?)

Mid Atlantic:
Maryland
Virginia

Southern:
Florida
Georgia
UNC
Texas

I'd be thrilled with any combination of the above (minus UConn).

...same for me, though I like Rutgers least (the school, not the market, revenue opp., etc.) amongst the others.

If we're counting here, put me down for no on Pitt. And GT students/alums are excruciating lame.

 

[matcar]

ND has won two bowls since 1994, FSU has won 11*, including each of the last 4 years. Also including several BCS bowls in the last decade, but the ACC has such bad bowl tie-ins that the rest are pretty small potatoes. Ranked three of the last 4 years, 19 wins in two years under Jimbo. An underachiever given their resources, sure, but ND dreams of having FSU's last decade, as do a lot of teams out there.

Good points. FSU can and certainly SHOULD be better than they currently are, but to some degree I think some might also be holding them to the impossible standard that they set for themselves in 80s/90s. Hard to see any team doing that again.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

West:
Notre Dame
Nebraska
Wisconsin
Michigan State
Iowa
Minnesota
Illinois
Northwestern

East:
Ohio State
Michigan
Penn State
Georgia Tech
Maryland
Virginia
Purdue
Indiana

Swap MSU and PU. Ensures the annual MSU/scUM game, not to mention that West Lafayette is about 100 miles west of East Lansing.

 

[BigWoof31]

Okie Lite might be a flash in the pan, but I don't see TCU beating UT or Okie regularly. There's just too much of a talent and program discrepancy. It would be like folding a successful MAC team into the Big Ten and saying that they'll start beating Ohio State and (non-Dick Rod) Michigan regularly.

I think they have a better than average chance of finishing with a .500 conference record. They were competative with alot of these teams back in the old SouthWestern Conference. 7 or 8 wins a year will be fine for their first couple years in teh new BIG XII


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TCU_football


What's more alarming is that TCU has an overall losing record in the bowl history.

 

[Muck]

I think they have a better than average chance of finishing with a .500 conference record. They were competative with alot of these teams back in the old SouthWestern Conference. 7 or 8 wins a year will be fine for their first couple years in teh new BIG XII

What's more alarming is that TCU has an overall losing record in the bowl history.

My negative comments aside I do think TCU will be competitive. I just believe people need to temper their expectations when they are based on the Horned Frogs recent performance against some of the worst teams in Div1A.

The Big 12 is no murderer's row but it's a massive step up from Wyoming, UNLV, New Mexico & SDSU.

The one thing that TCU really has going for them is that they have made the sort of long term investments in the athletic department that are necessary to be a competitive program over the long term.

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

The one thing that TCU really has going for them is that they have made the sort of long term investments in the athletic department that are necessary to be a competitive program over the long term.

What, are you implying blue turf isn't a good investment?

 

[Buckeyefrankmp]

2. Give me just about any combination of BC, Rutgers, Maryland, UVA, GTech, ND, UNC, Toronto (Yes, I realize some of these could never happen)

Now we are talking. Lets get this Toronto to the B1G ball rolling.

 

[Muck]

Now we are talking. Lets get this Toronto to the B1G ball rolling.

I was plugging for them when this whole merry go round started.

Great academics, research powerhouse AND an AAU member.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

THIS is why the small schools and their fans live in a swamp of suck.

They're willing to grasp any [censored]ing straw they can to give them what they never invested in and have not earned--and NO, a few years of success against mediocre competition with a hot young coach does not negate decades of suck and irrelevance. So much for schools' and conferences' right to associate with whom they please. Nothing matters but that these assholes be handed a giant slice of a pie they didn't do [Mark May] to bake.

In their view, a hundred years of history for a program like Indiana gets flushed down the toilet because Ball State has a good three year run under some fluke qb. Maybe they don't appreciate history and tradition because their schools have never done anything to create their own other than providing young coaches for the big boys to poach.

The reality is that nobody wants to watch them save for the occasional Boiseesque freak show, and the Kardashian sisters carry more intellectual weight than their lame anti-trust argument.

 

[Diego-Bucks]

THIS is why the small schools and their fans live in a swamp of suck.

They're willing to grasp any [censored]ing straw they can to give them what they never invested in and have not earned--and NO, a few years of success against mediocre competition with a hot young coach does not negate decades of suck and irrelevance. So much for schools' and conferences' right to associate with whom they please. Nothing matters but that these assholes be handed a giant slice of a pie they didn't do [Mark May] to bake.

In their view, a hundred years of history for a program like Indiana gets flushed down the toilet because Ball State has a good three year run under some fluke qb. Maybe they don't appreciate history and tradition because their schools have never done anything to create their own other than providing young coaches for the big boys to poach.

The reality is that nobody wants to watch them save for the occasional Boiseesque freak show, and the Kardashian sisters carry more intellectual weight than their lame anti-trust argument.

Why are you even on SB Nation?

 

[jlb1705]

Why are you even on SB Nation?

Spencer Hall and EDSBS are part of SBNation. Unlike Bleacher Report, SBNation actually hires professionals here and there. You still have to separate the wheat from the chaff, but it's not 100% crap like Bleacher Report is.