Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[AuTX Buckeye]

Not entirely sure about the structure... but if the BoT is for the move... could they not simply replace the President of the school with a puppet who will support it? A similar thing happen do the AD at A&M, he was all on board with the PAC 16 [Mark May] for a few years ago then got usurped by those higher than him at A&M who were fighting for the $EC. He has since retired... I wonder if the same thing will happen here.

BTW Tejas TV states were very taken aback by the shot at the academic reference to the conference. its funny they seemed quite butt hurt about it.

 

[OSU_D/]

You got me! haha.... I don't know how I let that get by me. But it's cool since I grew up on KK .

So I should change it to any Big East save Rutgers (and I suppose you could say ND for the other sports).

 

[LovelandBuckeye]

BTW Tejas TV states were very taken aback by the shot at the academic reference to the conference. its funny they seemed quite butt hurt about it.

HAHAHA!!! Have they ever been to Lubbock, Manhattan, Ames, Norman, Stillwater, or Lawrence?

These are the ones I can speak of personally. Full of ra-tards. I will give Lubbock a pass though. The ladies were very kind and giving.

Manhattan? [censored] that place super hard in its inferior to Jayhawk ass. I am sure our Nebraska brothers will agree.

EDIT:

I typed "Kansas State fan" into Yahoo and these two pictures came up.

I rest my case! tOSU>KSU

 

[AuTX Buckeye]

HAHAHA!!! Have they ever been to Lubbock, Manhattan, Ames, Norman, Stillwater, or Lawrence?

These are the ones I can speak of personally. Full of ra-tards. I will give Lubbock a pass though. The ladies were very kind and giving.

Manhattan? [censored] that place super hard in its inferior to Jayhawk ass. I am sure our Nebraska brothers will agree.

EDIT:

I typed "Kansas State fan" into Yahoo and these two pictures came up.

I rest my case! tOSU>KSU

remember... this was TV stations here in Austin... Where U-Tejas is the one and only member of the Big 12

 

[ScriptOhio]

Re: FSU considers moving to Big XII

Amazing, the way teams have been bailing out of the Big XII and the crappy teams that they were able to pick up, I can't believe that FSU would even think about switching to the Big XII.

 

[colobuck79]

Which of these two would you bring home to meet your mom?

 

[Buckeye86]

Way back when this thread was initially started I voted for Georgia Tech, Notre Dame, Maryland and Texas to get the Big Ten to 16.

I could take or leave Texas at this point given the baggage- but the chances seem to be very small either way.

So, give me Georgia Tech, Notre Dame, Maryland and Virginia and I would be extremely happy with the 16 team Big Ten that looked something like this:

West:
Notre Dame
Nebraska
Wisconsin
Michigan State
Iowa
Minnesota
Illinois
Northwestern

East:
Ohio State
Michigan
Penn State
Georgia Tech
Maryland
Virginia
Purdue
Indiana

 

[zincfinger]

Re: FSU considers moving to Big XII

Amazing, the way teams have been bailing out of the Big XII and the crappy teams that they were able to pick up, I can't believe that FSU would even think about switching to the Big XII.

I would tend to think that if FSU moved to the BigXII, it would go a long way toward stabilizing the conference as a long-term athletic entity. I think losing Nebraska hurt the conference a lot. And their possibly looking to add members like TCU or Louisville is just a band-aid on the wound. If they could add FSU instead, I think it would go a long way toward putting them back in business.

So a plus-FSU BigXII may not be that bad a situation. Although there is at least one separate reason why it may not be the best move for FSU: geograpy. I think geography does matter, and the BigXII seems like a very poor fit for them from that standpoint. They're probably between a rock and a hard place, though, given the recent state of ACC football, and with the SEC probably not being an option. The best-case scenario for Seminole football would probably be if they and Miami could get their **** together, and along with Va Tech and a couple of other conference programs being intermittently solid, get the ACC back to relevance. The potential seems to be there for ACC football, but it's hugely dependent on FSU and Miami. If they could manage to add Notre Dame to the fold, that would do wonders for them, at least from the standpoint of national following/revenue. But sticking with the ACC and hoping for the best seems like a bit of a risky proposition.

At least if they moved to the BigXII, they'd be paired up with two ravenous college football fanbases. Which is probably never going to be the case in the ACC.

 

[DaveyBoy]

FSU
Texas
Oklahoma
Kansas State
Texas Tech
TCU

that's some pretty darned good football there.

I would tend to think that if FSU moved to the BigXII, it would go a long way toward stabilizing the conference as a long-term athletic entity. I think losing Nebraska hurt the conference a lot. And their possibly looking to add members like TCU or Louisville is just a band-aid on the wound. If they could add FSU instead, I think it would go a long way toward putting them back in business.

So a plus-FSU BigXII may not be that bad a situation. Although there is at least one separate reason why it may not be the best move for FSU: geograpy. I think geography does matter, and the BigXII seems like a very poor fit for them from that standpoint. They're probably between a rock and a hard place, though, given the recent state of ACC football, and with the SEC probably not being an option. The best-case scenario for Seminole football would probably be if they and Miami could get their **** together, and along with Va Tech and a couple of other conference programs being intermittently solid, get the ACC back to relevance. The potential seems to be there for ACC football, but it's hugely dependent on FSU and Miami. If they could manage to add Notre Dame to the fold, that would do wonders for them, at least from the standpoint of national following/revenue. But sticking with the ACC and hoping for the best seems like a bit of a risky proposition.

At least if they moved to the BigXII, they'd be paired up with two ravenous college football fanbases. Which is probably never going to be the case in the ACC.

 

[AuTX Buckeye]

FSU - Sorry but what have you done for me in the past ten years... nothing your in ND category a name from yester years that hasn't done jack in a while
Texas
Oklahoma
Kansas State -Synder aint gonna be around forever
Texas Tech - Not been good since leach left.. they really killed the golden goose there
TCU - in a "big boy" conference lets give them a year or two.

that's some pretty darned good football there.

Have to disagree - see bold

 

[PlanetFrnd]

Not surprising, but the order that he listed FSU's priorities is pretty interesting.[/LEFT]

Well he was talking about which athletic conference the school will choose...

 

[zincfinger]

Have to disagree - see bold

FSU - Sorry but what have you done for me in the past ten years... nothing your in ND category a name from yester years that hasn't done jack in a while
Texas
Oklahoma
Kansas State -Synder aint gonna be around forever
Texas Tech - Not been good since leach left.. they really killed the golden goose there
TCU - in a "big boy" conference lets give them a year or two.

That hypothetical BigXII is not some unstoppable juggernaut conference, but I think "reasonably solid" is an apt description. At least potentially. And if you're going to invoke the "what have you done for me lately" criterion, there's more than one BigTen "power program" that would be found wanting by the same standard.

 

[DaveyBoy]

exactly...I wasn't saying it was going to be the toughest conference in CFB. But it would be a step up from where the Big12 is today. Plus, I forgot to add in WVU which is definitely solid in football. Probably on a par with Iowa or even Michigan State.

Also - our AuTx friend may want to snicker at TCU, but now that there in a big boy conference they will get more exposure when they start regularly beating OU, Texas, and Ok State. And they will hold their own against those folks. Texas doesn't scare people like they once did...nor does Oklahoma for that matter anymore. They're both solid and trending toward just below the elite category.

As for FSU, they definitely aren't what they once were. But with the recruiting in their home state combined with possible sanctions against Miami, FSU can rise to elite status very very quickly.

That hypothetical BigXII is not some unstoppable juggernaut conference, but I think "reasonably solid" is an apt description. At least potentially. And if you're going to invoke the "what have you done for me lately" criterion, there's more than one BigTen "power program" that would be found wanting by the same standard.

 

[BayBuck]

FSU - Sorry but what have you done for me in the past ten years... nothing your in ND category a name from yester years that hasn't done jack in a while

ND has won two bowls since 1994, FSU has won 11*, including each of the last 4 years. Also including several BCS bowls in the last decade, but the ACC has such bad bowl tie-ins that the rest are pretty small potatoes. Ranked three of the last 4 years, 19 wins in two years under Jimbo. An underachiever given their resources, sure, but ND dreams of having FSU's last decade, as do a lot of teams out there.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Also - our AuTx friend may want to snicker at TCU, but now that there in a big boy conference they will get more exposure when they start regularly beating OU, Texas, and Ok State. And they will hold their own against those folks. Texas doesn't scare people like they once did...nor does Oklahoma for that matter anymore. They're both solid and trending toward just below the elite category.

Okie Lite might be a flash in the pan, but I don't see TCU beating UT or Okie regularly. There's just too much of a talent and program discrepancy. It would be like folding a successful MAC team into the Big Ten and saying that they'll start beating Ohio State and (non-Dick Rod) Michigan regularly.

Unless Mack Brown has really lost it on the coaching side, Texas wins 3 out of 4, and that's assuming Patterson stays. They beat out TCU for every recruit in Texas and have the largest athletic budget in the country divided among only 16 sports with which to roll. Texas really didn't want TCU in, so you don't think they'll have a little extra incentive to make sure that little brother stays firmly beneath the hobnailed boot?