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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
I think so, but what's their leverage? Although the one Regent who said that they could simply self-invite Cal into the B1G was awfully entertaining. The deal is rock solid; B1G lawyers undoubtedly went over every word of the Regents' administrative decision to delegate authority on athletic matters to the individual campuses and pronounced it sound and then the networks' lawyers went over their work and pronounced it sound. You have four sets of very expensive outside counsel all examining this and proceeding. Could they all be wrong? UC could be looking at upwards of half a billion dollars in damages if they tear up the contract now that the media deal has been signed.
They got nothing, and I can't imagine that the Regents and Berkeley's public antics are playing too well in Rosemont right now. The B1G walked away from one cancer that brought considerable football value to the table, so I just find it hard to believe that they'll take another cancer that's dead weight in football. I can already see the first point of contention. UCLA is coming in at a full share basis, but it's widely reported that any other PAC schools will be partial shares. Think the Regents won't start causing problems over that?
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BuckTwenty
Parties with Pete Johnson's Beard
With B1G expansion, I know Virginia gets talked about quite a bit
Especially after the new B1G media deal signing, I don't see it. At all. They don't bring the football TV ratings (would they ever feature primetime on Fox/CBS/NBC?) or bring in significant enough media markets (biggest one would be Norfolk/Portsmouth/Newport News at 46)
If the B1G goes hard-line on a top tier academic school, I'm confident that school would be Stanford. Better TV ratings currently & historically, and would add two new significant markets on the west coast -- San Francisco/Oakland/San Jose (7) & Sacremento/Stockton/Modesto (20). There are other schools I would add before I'd add Stanford (I don't know if they'd be in my top 4), but Stanford over Virginia is a no-brainer
The $100 million dollar question is would Stanford make enough cents (pun intended) if they were added to the conference? I don't think there is a school that would currently outside of maybe the domers, but there should be some schools that would in the future
Especially after the new B1G media deal signing, I don't see it. At all. They don't bring the football TV ratings (would they ever feature primetime on Fox/CBS/NBC?) or bring in significant enough media markets (biggest one would be Norfolk/Portsmouth/Newport News at 46)
If the B1G goes hard-line on a top tier academic school, I'm confident that school would be Stanford. Better TV ratings currently & historically, and would add two new significant markets on the west coast -- San Francisco/Oakland/San Jose (7) & Sacremento/Stockton/Modesto (20). There are other schools I would add before I'd add Stanford (I don't know if they'd be in my top 4), but Stanford over Virginia is a no-brainer
The $100 million dollar question is would Stanford make enough cents (pun intended) if they were added to the conference? I don't think there is a school that would currently outside of maybe the domers, but there should be some schools that would in the future
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
I think it's been pretty widely reported that Cal, Stanford, UW and/or UO would all come in at partial shares. Otherwise, they just don't pay for themselves. Now, that would still be a pretty big raise for any of them. Plus, it would allow Stanford to indulge in their 36 Olympic sports without having to worry about how PAC money can pay for them. UW and UO would say thank you, sir. I think the crazy UC Regents are the wild card with Cal.
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This chart shows a real factor in expansion that some folks don’t give enough weight. A combination of academic strength, athletic programs, size of the fan base, and potential TV markets is what factors into the decision.
If the B1G wants to go to 20 or 24, I’m ok with it, in order to keep valuable entities away from competing conferences, and to develop as much influence as possible.
It seems that Washington and Stanford are easy choices from the PAC, with Oregon, Arizona, Utah, and Cal (if they haven’t burned their bridge) as possibilities.
From the ACC: UNC, GTech, and UVA seem to be takes, with Miami and Duke as possibilities. I don’t see Clemson or FSU happening (the SEC can have them).
Take 4 from each to weaken each conference, the Big XII is already effectively crippled. And leave Notre Dame hanging in the breeze.
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TampaBuckeyes
Assistant Coach
I’m hoping we sit at 16 for a while. ND seems to be the only school that adds value, and they seem to be staying but and I’d like to leave them there.
As far as top schools that come closest to paying for themselves. what do you guys think it is? Limiting it to schools that meet big ten academic standards (not Clemson or fsu).
ND obviously has the second largest fan base in cfb.
After that is it Stanford? They bring a huge San Jose and San Fran market for the btn. Plus a decent alumni pool, though not sure many watch.
After that Oregon has a big viewership draw.
Miami brings a huge market and big name but wow I’d rather see them fall further behind. I would have said the same thing about usc a few months ago.
Can any other school bring a good enough combination of football eyes and a big enough market.
As far as top schools that come closest to paying for themselves. what do you guys think it is? Limiting it to schools that meet big ten academic standards (not Clemson or fsu).
ND obviously has the second largest fan base in cfb.
After that is it Stanford? They bring a huge San Jose and San Fran market for the btn. Plus a decent alumni pool, though not sure many watch.
After that Oregon has a big viewership draw.
Miami brings a huge market and big name but wow I’d rather see them fall further behind. I would have said the same thing about usc a few months ago.
Can any other school bring a good enough combination of football eyes and a big enough market.
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Oregonbuck
Buck in the land of Ducks
I don't think Cal has any leverage, except maybe some AAU dollars. But even if they can get Cal in with a partial share, it's worth it to the Regents to make some noise.
The thing I've wondered all along is what deal did we make with USC to join. From the evidence I've seen, USC started the conversation, and UCLA was an adder. I have to believe USC was given some assurance that offers would be extended to other PAC12 teams so they wouldn't be flying across the country for every away football game, as well as basketball and non-revenue sports.
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Based on academic research + AAU + TV markets + football, with some consideration for "plays nice with others" (I'm looking at you, Texas), it would seem that the most logical new invitees would be Washington, North Carolina, and Florida, with Notre Dame possibly becoming the 20th school.
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CincyInterloper
Hall of Fame
I'm thinking Oregon's $114 million academic research number could give the B1G university presidents enough heartburn to shoot down any thoughts of extending them an invitation.
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