ACC is essentially a basketball conference anyway to this point, excluding Clemson. May as well WVU and Huggy Bear
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ACC is essentially a basketball conference anyway to this point, excluding Clemson. May as well WVU and Huggy Bear
Does the B1G really need Oregon? USC, UCLA, UW, Stanford and Cal. That gives B1G all major western, midwestern and northern media markets. And OSU could benefit from recruiting CA, as I think TX and parts of the south will now be much harder with the 2 SEC additions.
Is the only argument for Oregon because of Nike?
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MaliBuckeye
1) Be A Man.
Said this earlier.... Here's the immediate solution that can put the brakes on this whole thing for a while.
The B1G, ACC, Big 12, and the PAC leadership need to do the following as a unified block:
1) Deny the efforts to expand the CFB Playoff to 12.
2) Then, collectively support requiring playoff participants to be the four highest ranked conference champions.
I think that would quickly bring everyone to the table for a national conversation about realignment and the future of CFB.
The B1G, ACC, Big 12, and the PAC leadership need to do the following as a unified block:
1) Deny the efforts to expand the CFB Playoff to 12.
2) Then, collectively support requiring playoff participants to be the four highest ranked conference champions.
I think that would quickly bring everyone to the table for a national conversation about realignment and the future of CFB.
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NYG21254246
All-American
Expand it to NO MORE THAN 8. Conference champions, highest ranked G5 Champion, next 3 teams
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
I think it can be argued that Oregon is the biggest national brand in that conference until USC decides to un-texas itself.
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A good podcast from Buckeye Scoop's Tony Gerdeman and Tom Orr: LINK
They mostly agree with the BP sentiments on expansion. The podcast is 40 minutes long, so here are some highlights:
1. It will be nearly impossible to poach teams from the ACC or SEC due to the conference Grant of Rights. SEC expires in 2034, ACC in 2036.
2. However, the ACC has a crap TV deal and schools will likely want to leave. If the ACC implodes over the TV deal, then some schools might be possible Big Ten expansion targets, namely UNC and UVa.
3. Because poaching teams from the SEC or ACC is unlikely, that leaves either Big XII leftovers (bad) or Pac-12 (good). A lot of talk about USC, but they also mentioned (among others) Colorado (big growing market) and Utah (not so big growing market).
4. Kansas is the best of the Big XII leftovers, but their only positive is basketball, which doesn't move the TV needle nearly as much as football. Kansas might be an option if the Big Ten needs a 20th or 24th team in order to form equal divisions (or "pods", to use their term), but they won't be a primary target of the Big Ten.
5. Lack of AAU membership is a deal breaker.
6. Conference expansion will be decided by the university presidents, not by the athletic directors (and not by Kevin Warren).
7. Best options for expansion:
By my count, there are 9 Pac-12 schools that are viable options (meaning AAU members). Here's my order of preference, using a blend of football, academics, and TV markets:
1. USC
2. UCLA
3. Oregon
4. Stanford
5. California
6. Washington
7. Colorado
8. Arizona
9. Utah
They mostly agree with the BP sentiments on expansion. The podcast is 40 minutes long, so here are some highlights:
1. It will be nearly impossible to poach teams from the ACC or SEC due to the conference Grant of Rights. SEC expires in 2034, ACC in 2036.
2. However, the ACC has a crap TV deal and schools will likely want to leave. If the ACC implodes over the TV deal, then some schools might be possible Big Ten expansion targets, namely UNC and UVa.
3. Because poaching teams from the SEC or ACC is unlikely, that leaves either Big XII leftovers (bad) or Pac-12 (good). A lot of talk about USC, but they also mentioned (among others) Colorado (big growing market) and Utah (not so big growing market).
4. Kansas is the best of the Big XII leftovers, but their only positive is basketball, which doesn't move the TV needle nearly as much as football. Kansas might be an option if the Big Ten needs a 20th or 24th team in order to form equal divisions (or "pods", to use their term), but they won't be a primary target of the Big Ten.
5. Lack of AAU membership is a deal breaker.
6. Conference expansion will be decided by the university presidents, not by the athletic directors (and not by Kevin Warren).
7. Best options for expansion:
a. Pac-12 schools (and possibly Kansas)
b. UNC and/or UVa (and possibly Kansas)
c. Do nothing and stay at 14 schools
____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________b. UNC and/or UVa (and possibly Kansas)
c. Do nothing and stay at 14 schools
By my count, there are 9 Pac-12 schools that are viable options (meaning AAU members). Here's my order of preference, using a blend of football, academics, and TV markets:
1. USC
2. UCLA
3. Oregon
4. Stanford
5. California
6. Washington
7. Colorado
8. Arizona
9. Utah
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BuckTwenty
Parties with Pete Johnson's Beard
So theres a lot of talk out there about the Pac 12, but I haven't heard anything about their media rights. I know that Fox owns them, but that's about it
What is the status of the Pac 12's media rights? Do they have a GOR? How much would the penalty be for each team if they leave their conference?
What is the status of the Pac 12's media rights? Do they have a GOR? How much would the penalty be for each team if they leave their conference?
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sammyjenkis
Hall of Fame
That's a good question, but Fox may be interested in covering some fees to shore up its future broadcasting property value rather than let the SEC take full control of college football money.
What would be hilarious (yet somewhat tragic from our own point of view) would be if random schools like the Ivys or MIT had alumni that figure out how to simply buy every five star recruit and kill off the blue bloods after espn goes all in.
What happens to the espn guaranteed money if college football as we know it gives way to a professional developmental league over the next few years? You'd hate to see espn go bankrupt over that.
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https://theathletic.com/2735350/202...brakes-on-college-football-playoff-expansion/
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Texas and Oklahoma leaving the Big 12 for the SEC has overshadowed proposed CFP expansion, and the way it went down has raised more than a few eyebrows across the country.
It has become clear, both to other college sports leaders and to anyone following the timeline of events closely, that SEC commissioner Greg Sankey was preparing to poach the Big 12’s crown jewel programs even as he worked alongside Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby in the four-person CFP working group that studied expansion options. It is also clear, now, that Bowlsby was unaware of what was in motion behind his back; he praised Sankey for supporting a 12-team model that would be “what’s best” for college football at large.
“It creates some concern about the way the 12-team proposal was constructed, with a limited number of folks in the room and imperfect information between the people who were in the room,” new Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff told The Athletic. “The proper process is: Everybody who has a say should have a say, and everybody should be operating with the same information.”
The CFP’s 12-year contract runs through the 2025 season, but the surprise announcement of a 12-team proposal last month led many to assume the four-team format would be blown up sooner than that. Now, momentum to make the change to the format before the contract runs out may be grinding to a halt.
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Texas and Oklahoma leaving the Big 12 for the SEC has overshadowed proposed CFP expansion, and the way it went down has raised more than a few eyebrows across the country.
It has become clear, both to other college sports leaders and to anyone following the timeline of events closely, that SEC commissioner Greg Sankey was preparing to poach the Big 12’s crown jewel programs even as he worked alongside Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby in the four-person CFP working group that studied expansion options. It is also clear, now, that Bowlsby was unaware of what was in motion behind his back; he praised Sankey for supporting a 12-team model that would be “what’s best” for college football at large.
“It creates some concern about the way the 12-team proposal was constructed, with a limited number of folks in the room and imperfect information between the people who were in the room,” new Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff told The Athletic. “The proper process is: Everybody who has a say should have a say, and everybody should be operating with the same information.”
The CFP’s 12-year contract runs through the 2025 season, but the surprise announcement of a 12-team proposal last month led many to assume the four-team format would be blown up sooner than that. Now, momentum to make the change to the format before the contract runs out may be grinding to a halt.
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AJHawkfan
Wanna make $14 the hard way?
If the B1G does elect to add more teams, I hope it for the right reasons, and not just a knee-jerk reaction to the SEC adding 2 big name teams. Desperation is a dangerous feeling and could lead poor leaders to making decisions they might regret later. (Offering ND an outrageous sum of money to join comes to mind for some reason.....)
In years past, it felt as though Delaney was the guy who was blindsiding the world by making these huge moves. Its clear that Warren was totally in the dark about the goings on in the SEC (among other things) and it make me nervous about the future of the B1G.....
In years past, it felt as though Delaney was the guy who was blindsiding the world by making these huge moves. Its clear that Warren was totally in the dark about the goings on in the SEC (among other things) and it make me nervous about the future of the B1G.....
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