Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Did someone say Dildo?

 

[gmen6981]

Did someone say Dildo?

I think I said dildo on the last page. We ARE allowed to say "dildo" here right? I would really hate to use the word "dildo" if saying "dildo" was against the rules. I would feel really bad then about saying "dildo".

 

[Jaxbuck]

Did someone say Dildo?

It was a subtle reference

 

[muffler dragon]

It was a subtle reference

 

[ScriptOhio]

“I’m of the opinion that we need to expand,” Smith said. “I do believe we’re going to expand. I believe we should expand.

“There’s a lot to be worked out there, but I think it’s going to happen, I really do. It’s just a matter of when.”

The College Football Playoff announced last month that its management committee has reviewed 63 different models for potentially expanding the playoff field, including models that would feature six, eight, 10, 12 or 16 teams. Smith said he is “probably more comfortable with expanding to eight, as opposed to 12 or 16,” citing concerns about how a sizably larger playoff could impact the regular season.

“When we moved from the BCS to the CFP, as I shared before, I was concerned about the regular season then. I was also concerned about devaluing the other bowls. And that has happened,” Smith said. “The other bowls have been devalued. We’ve had more opt-outs than we’ve ever had, student-athletes not participating in those bowls. And when we go to eight, 12, whatever it ends up being, that will continue. Those bowls will become less important. Student-athletes may not want to play in them. And they’ll be devalued.”

Smith said he is also “a little concerned” about expanding before the conclusion of the College Football Playoff’s current television deal with ESPN, which runs through 2026, citing a desire to “go to the open market.” But he acknowledged “that’s not a decision I’ll get a chance to be a part of.”

Those concerns aside, Smith is in favor of an expanded playoff, which he believes should include automatic qualifying berths for the Power 5 conference champions. He also believes conferences that play nine or more conference games, as the Big Ten does, should get “seeding preference.”

The 12-team model would give each Power Five conference champion an automatic bid along with the highest-ranked Group of Five team. Though the details are far from finalized, the thought is that the top four teams would then get a bye, and seeds 5 through 8 would host seeds 9 through 12 at on-campus sites. The rest of the games could then be played at neutral bowl game sites.

It's worth noting that no formal change or even recommendation has been made, but that could happen within the next couple of months. On July 17 and 18, a working group that has spent the past two years exploring expansion will present its findings to the CFP management committee. That management committee will then provide a single recommendation to the CFP board of managers, made up of a group of university presidents and chancellors.

 

[LovelandBuckeye]

Fuck that 12 team bullshit.

 

[Jaxbuck]

It will take a single season of it before ESPN starts stirring the pot about the crime against humanity inflicted on the 13th ranked team and people start crying for expansion again.

They rarely get two competitive games in a 4 team format but let's triple it, that should help.

For the record this format would have included (by CFP rankings) Costal fucking Carolina, Iowa, Indiana and Cincinnati last year. UNC would have been the bridesmaid at #13 in the final rankings. Some really compelling matchups there.

 

[pnuts34]

It will take a single season of it before ESPN starts stirring the pot about the crime against humanity inflicted on the 13th ranked team and people start crying for expansion again.

They rarely get two competitive games in a 4 team format but let's triple it, that should help.

For the record this format would have included (by CFP rankings) Costal fucking Carolina, Iowa, Indiana and Cincinnati last year. UNC would have been the bridesmaid at #13 in the final rankings. Some really compelling matchups there.

You do realize this is no different than March Madness, and it hasn't stopped the ratings bonanza annually. Mix in a gambling aspect, and if in one of the 1st years a UC, Coastal Carolina or (heaven help) even an SEC darling like UGA/UF/Auburn you will have fans salivating and cheering for the "underdog" just like the first weekend every year for the CBB tourney. Not realizing that in the end, the high seeded teams always end up winning March Madness as well.

 

[Jaxbuck]

You do realize this is no different than March Madness, and it hasn't stopped the ratings bonanza annually. Mix in a gambling aspect, and if in one of the 1st years a UC, Coastal Carolina or (heaven help) even an SEC darling like UGA/UF/Auburn you will have fans salivating and cheering for the "underdog" just like the first weekend every year for the CBB tourney. Not realizing that in the end, the high seeded teams always end up winning March Madness as well.

I do realize that. I never said it wouldn't make money, just commenting on the general stupidity behind it. After all, lotteries make money too.

 

[pnuts34]

I do realize that. I never said it wouldn't make money, just commenting on the general stupidity behind it. After all, lotteries make money too.

Gotcha, yeah we're saying the same thing. But the committee is just giving in to the demands of the fans, yet again.

 

[AJHawkfan]

The argument isn't going to change. It'll still be who's in the top 4. The #5 team (and their fanbase) will undoubtedly piss and moan about having to play another game against a top team, just to earn the right to go get slaughtered by a fully-rested and healthy Bama, Clemson, tOSU, OK, etc.

Seems to me that 8 would have been just about the perfect number. (Which, of course, is probably why they skipped right past it to 12.)

 

[Zurp]

The 12-team model would give each Power Five conference champion an automatic bid along with the highest-ranked Group of Five team. Though the details are far from finalized, the thought is that the top four teams would then get a bye, and seeds 5 through 8 would host seeds 9 through 12 at on-campus sites. The rest of the games could then be played at neutral bowl game sites.

Boof. So 5-8 get an extra home game to get the number from 12 to 8. Then to go from 8 to 4, from 4 to 2, and from 2 to 1, we have 3 rounds of neutral sites (probably all in the south and west). I'm still annoyed that the 4 to 2 round is at neutral sites, but if they want to go from 8 to 4 at neutral sites, then this is lame. Lame lame lame.

I don't mind the 12 teams, with 4 getting a bye. Let the #5 team cry. But the second round should be at the home stadium locations, as well.

 

[BigWoof31]

Has anyone seen anything about when these games would start on the calendar?
I think its worth mentioning since the P5 conferences mostly award their champions on the same day and seeds 1-4 will overwhelmingly feature P5 champions.

My question is this: Is there that much of a difference between awarding at Top 4 team a bye week vs. when the playoff starts now (New Years Day holiday). They already get 3-4 weeks off for Finals and Christmas...etc

My other thought is this: The NFL is going to hate this. When CFB regular season ends, they usually start broadcasting 1-2 games a week on Saturday night given the absence of college football. I don't want CFB to bow down to the pro's and do whatever they say, but there will be some griping.

 

[NYG21254246]

It will take a single season of it before ESPN starts stirring the pot about the crime against humanity inflicted on the 13th ranked team and people start crying for expansion again.

They rarely get two competitive games in a 4 team format but let's triple it, that should help.

For the record this format would have included (by CFP rankings) Costal fucking Carolina, Iowa, Indiana and Cincinnati last year. UNC would have been the bridesmaid at #13 in the final rankings. Some really compelling matchups there.

I would not have had an issue with Cincinnati getting in.

 

[Zurp]

Has anyone seen anything about when these games would start on the calendar?
I think its worth mentioning since the P5 conferences mostly award their champions on the same day and seeds 1-4 will overwhelmingly feature P5 champions.

My question is this: Is there that much of a difference between awarding at Top 4 team a bye week vs. when the playoff starts now (New Years Day holiday). They already get 3-4 weeks off for Finals and Christmas...etc

My other thought is this: The NFL is going to hate this. When CFB regular season ends, they usually start broadcasting 1-2 games a week on Saturday night given the absence of college football. I don't want CFB to bow down to the pro's and do whatever they say, but there will be some griping.

I would imagine that the conference championship games will continue to be the first weekend of December. If we play the semi-finals on or around January 1, I think the quarterfinals would be around Christmas, and the first round in the middle of December. So, if we use this year specifically, the CCG's would be December 4, the first round would be December 18, second round on December 25, and semi-finals on January 1. Finals would probably be on the 10th.
However, move things around a little, since I doubt they'd want to play on Christmas.

I have heard that the NFL has some rule that they can't broadcast games on Saturday until a specific date. Some anti-trust rule or something. I may be remembering it wrong, but it isn't "when college football is over". It's "not until this date". So college football may compete against the NFL a little. But which would you rather watch: Oklahoma vs. USC, where the winner gets to play Clemson, or Dallas vs. Buffalo? Yeah, maybe the college game won't be that big of a draw, but for me, personally, if the Browns aren't playing, I won't plan my weekend around an NFL game. Plus, there will be 4 college games that weekend. Maybe play one on Friday night, one on at noon on Saturday, one on at 4:00, and one on at 8:00.

This year, specifically, if we want to avoid playing on Christmas, maybe play 1 game Wednesday night, 1 game Thursday night, and 2 games on Monday? That'll take some politicking.