Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[jwinslow]

Don't do this. Just go North and South/East and West

The problem is you have to lump Northern UM & Southern OSU together, but can't realistically put eastern UM, OSU & PSU all in the same division or the other one is a cakewalk.

The ACC did the Atlantic and Coastal thing and nobody knows who the fuck plays where...

 

[Class'13]

Forgot that the University of Toronto was being thrown around in the discussion earlier. They come in at #27 in the world, #1 school in Canada.

I still think UT would be an interesting and good addition. Having a Canadian school would definitely bring the press, and we could explore recruiting in Canada. Not sure how their sports are, but they are very prestigous academically.

 

[JDMBuckeye]

but if you look at the layout the Big12, you have TX, OK, TT, and OK st in one division, and the other looking weak and scrawny with Nebraska as the leader of the pack along with K St, Kansas, and Mizzou. Looks very lopsided in my book.

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

So if we bring in Syracuse to make it all even. Then do we call the conference "The Great Lakes 12" or "The Midwest"12. You could call them the "Erie Division and the Michigan Division".

Don't do this. Just go North and South/East and West

The ACC did the Atlantic and Coastal thing and nobody knows who the [censored] plays where...

Wouldn't expect you to know Great Lakes geography 'Woof. But (Lake) Erie and (Lake) M*ch*g*n divisions are another way of saying East and West respectively.

Of course, if you split them East/West with those names; TSUN would not be in the M*ch*g*n division. Wouldn't make sense, but neither does the BigTeleven.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

State government funding decisions in the late 1970s and early 1980s, even if intended to strengthen other schools, had the consequence of providing Ohio State with inadequate support. Many disciplines that were once world leading fell considerably. For instance, compare the rankings of Notre Dame and Ohio State MBA programs by Business Week (link) and overseas (link). Now consider that the "College of Administrative Science" at Ohio State was once held in such high esteem that the American Marketing Association used Ohio State's definition of marketing as its official definition in the 1960s.

The true blow to funding came in the sixties. Prior to Jim Rhodes, Ohio State was funded as a flagship campus under a separate appropriations bill than the remainder of the system.

Rhodes, John Millett (Board of Regents Chair and a former Fredo president) and OU President Vern Alden conspired and scrapped that plan replacing it with a system that treated all campuses as "equals" and funded them on a raw head count basis. .Essentially, they did the equivelent of defunding Berkeley and treating it no different than Sacramento State! Although the administration and faculty were furious, Ohio State--officially--did nothing because its board would be dominated by the collection of Columbus realtors and car dealers that Rhodes appointed until Celeste came to office. It was only after Ohio State rid itself of Rhodes and his board appointees that we could start making up for the lost time and in quick succession you saw the first multi-year fundraising campaign, undoing the "official" open admissions policy, recruiting faculty to rebuild the arts and sciences departments--many of which had been top 10 in the 40s and 50s.

Fingerhut is in the process of undoing the enrollment based funding model and replacing it with one where universities are funded according to "their role in the system." It's hard, however, for him to take it head on, as most of the other 12 schools are naturally opposed.

 

[MissouriFan]

Here is a crazy idea. Be the first Super Conference.


The Big 20?

Add Missouri, Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, and West Virginia.

Two ten team divisions or really leagues under the same conference title. Imagine the TV deals this conference could get. This would also kill the Big East and damage the Big 12 beyond repair.

East
Indiana
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Penn State
Pittsburgh
Purdue
Rutgers
Syracuse
West Virginia

West
Illinois
Iowa
Kansas
Minnesota
Missouri
Nebraska
Northwestern
Oklahoma
Texas
Wisconsin

For football you play the other nine teams in your division and at the end of the season the top two teams from each division play in the Big Ten tournament. The TV networks would go crazy for this. East Champion plays the West runner up and the West Champion plays the East runner up. The two winning teams play for the conference championship.

For Basketball you play the other 9 teams in your division home and away for 18 conference games and in the Big Ten tournament you take the top 8 teams from each division

Seed each division 1-8 and then have a tournament that looks like this.

East 1 play the West 8
East 2 play the West 7
East 3 play the West 6
East 4 play the West 5
East 3 play the West 6
East 2 play the West 7
East 1 play the West 8

It's crazy but it could be a lot of fun. Thoughts?

 

[Woody1968]

I'm not going to read through this entire thread - so can anyone answer this question?


Would this expansion be for football only? Or are you looking to add talent in the winter by bringing in a good basketball program? If that's the case - Pitt and L'Ville look to be good options.


Wild Eyed/Left field/WTF suggestion of the day: Anyone considered Virginia Tech? Sure bring the DC/Mid Atlantic TV market into play.

If the Big 10 wants that market, Virginia or Maryland would be better choices, or have Georgetown upgrade and join. VT is out in the middle of nowhere, MD is right next to DC and Virginia is a top university, and only about 100 miles from DC.

I honestly do not want an expansion that takes a team from a state that is not already represented in or bordering with a state that is represented in the Big 10. I do not think Boston College works in the ACC, it's kind of silly that they are there.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Here is a crazy idea. Be the first Super Conference.


The Big 20?

Add Missouri, Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, and West Virginia.

Two ten team divisions or really leagues under the same conference title. Imagine the TV deals this conference could get. This would also kill the Big East and damage the Big 12 beyond repair.

East
Indiana
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Penn State
Pittsburgh
Purdue
Rutgers
Syracuse
West Virginia

West
Illinois
Iowa
Kansas
Minnesota
Missouri
Nebraska
Northwestern
Oklahoma
Texas
Wisconsin

For football you play the other nine teams in your division and at the end of the season the top two teams from each division play in the Big Ten tournament. The TV networks would go crazy for this. East Champion plays the West runner up and the West Champion plays the East runner up. The two winning teams play for the conference championship.

For Basketball you play the other 9 teams in your division home and away for 18 conference games and in the Big Ten tournament you take the top 8 teams from each division

Seed each division 1-8 and then have a tournament that looks like this.

East 1 play the West 8
East 2 play the West 7
East 3 play the West 6
East 4 play the West 5
East 3 play the West 6
East 2 play the West 7
East 1 play the West 8

It's crazy but it could be a lot of fun. Thoughts?

That's actually pretty good. That would be a brutally tough conference in basketball and if a couple of traditional programs got back to their norms, football as well.

I doubt it could happen but that would be fun as hell at first blush.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

East
Indiana
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Penn State
Pittsburgh
Purdue
Rutgers
Syracuse
West Virginia

West
Illinois
Iowa
Kansas
Minnesota
Missouri
Nebraska
Northwestern
Oklahoma
Texas
Wisconsin

You now essentially have two Big 10 conferences in one larger conference. What happens when you have a two-, three-, or even four-way tie for either division (or both)? You now have the exact same situation that splitting into divisions is supposed to prevent.

 

[Jaxbuck]

You now essentially have two Big 10 conferences in one larger conference. What happens when you have a two-, three-, or even four-way tie for either division (or both). You now have the exact same situation that splitting into divisions is supposed to prevent.

You have 10 in each so everyone plays everyone plus he allowed for the champion and the runner up in a 4 team playoff so I'd say it would eliminate any co champ issues.

The problem is it would cost you some OOC games.

 

[JDMBuckeye]

why dont we just get rid of any and all crappy teams, and start a new league... Call it the Little NFL. It would comprise of 70 team, divided into 4 conferences and include names ranging from Texas, Bama, OSU, and USC, all the way down to Boise State, TCU, S. Florida, and Houston. Refer to my blog for more info

 

[BigWoof31]

For football you play the other nine teams in your division and at the end of the season the top two teams from each division play in the Big Ten tournament. The TV networks would go crazy for this. East Champion plays the West runner up and the West Champion plays the East runner up. The two winning teams play for the conference championship.

I'm assuming the Conference Title Game would rotate between East and Western locations. One year in Chicago and the next in the Jerry Dome (you know - so the midwestern fans can call the warm weather teams/fans "a bunch of pussies")

 

[Jaxbuck]

I'm assuming the Conference Title Game would rotate between East and Western locations. One year in Chicago and the next in the Jerry Dome (you know - so the midwestern fans can call the warm weather teams/fans "a bunch of pussies")

As long as the eastern game is in Cleveland in December and we get to say its a neutral site with a straight face I'm all for it.

Besides the B12 guys played in KC a few times outdoors and id didn't kill anyone so take Texas out of the warm weather state fans who are a bunch of pussies.

 

[JCOSU86]

If the Big 10 wants that market, Virginia or Maryland would be better choices, or have Georgetown upgrade and join. VT is out in the middle of nowhere, MD is right next to DC and Virginia is a top university, and only about 100 miles from DC.

Wha????

 

[Woody1968]

Wha????

Have Georgetown upgrade to a FBS football program if you want the DC market, as opposed to bringing in Virginia Tech. Virginia Tech doesn't really have a big presence in DC, which is what I was responding to. Obviously, that is kind of silly, which is why I suggested MD or Virginia (The best choice) first.