Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[ulukinatme]

it's Dennis Dodd, unless he's ripping about imbecilic Pedsters, he's a grade A douchebag otherwise....that said, it won't be Texas - think UVa and UNC. the ACC isn't nearly as locked up as you think it is...

Why would anyone take on a team that they couldn't receive any television money from? That would defeat the very purpose of trying to expand into new television markets if they're losing out on roughly $260 million over the next 13 years at $20 million a year. That makes a $50 million exit fee look paltry in comparison.

If realignment isn't done, I would expect the pool has to come from the AAC now. Cinci and Connecticut are the most likely candidates of course since they're the most dissatisfied, but the likelihood they get asked is low as it is since the B1G already controls most of the market in both their areas. It will be interesting to see if realignment isn't finished, but I don't expect any major shakeups at least until the Big 12 GOR is finished or something crazy happens.

 

[jwinslow]

You're assuming the GoR hold water. That is a lofty and very disputed opinion.

 

[RugbyBuck]

Cambridge & Oxford are coming in as members only in sculling.

And Rugby.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

I would expect the pool has to come from the AAC now. Cinci and Connecticut are the most likely candidates of course

 

[Piney]

it's Dennis Dodd, unless he's ripping about imbecilic Pedsters, he's a grade A douchebag otherwise....that said, it won't be Texas - think UVa and UNC. the ACC isn't nearly as locked up as you think it is...

And everyone's favorite expansion whipping boy said he heard the same thing that Dennis Dodd heard. But of course since he is 'the dude' he says the teams... Texas & Missouri with the cavaet he 'heard' the Longhorn network has an out clause if Texas leaves the Big 12. Plus he is saying he got this info from Ohio State sources... But he has no clue how they would get out of the grant of rights.

So probably all this is, is that those schools talked with or the B1G is dreaming about those schools.

 

[Muck]

And everyone's favorite expansion whipping boy said he heard the same thing that Dennis Dodd heard. But of course since he is 'the dude' he says the teams... Texas & Missouri with the cavaet he 'heard' the Longhorn network has an out clause if Texas leaves the Big 12. Plus he is saying he got this info from Ohio State sources... But he has no clue how they would get out of the grant of rights.

So probably all this is, is that those schools talked with or the B1G is dreaming about those schools.

That's complete nonsense of course...but since we're bored....

Would Missouri really leave the SEC & slink back to the B1G after being spurned once?

If Texas is jumping ship they aren't going alone. Maybe they can cut the Tech & Baylor cords but I can't see them not bringing at least Oklahoma along.

Despite my concerns about Oklahoma academically (and their history of playing fast & loose with the rules) a Texas-Oklahoma duo would be one hell of a coup.

If someone Missouri really is coming along then you need one more & Kansas is the natural bridge (and does bring some money in basketball).

So that 18 team B1G leaves a natural split along the following lines:

East:
Ohio State
TSUN
PSU
Sparty
Purdue
Indiana
Maryland
Rutgers

West:
Texas
Nebraska
Oklahoma
Wisconsin
Iowa
Northwestern
Illinois
Minnesota
Missouri
Kansas

So who goes east to balance it out? Northwestern? The last time around they preferred staying west, would that still be the case? Texas +1 would actually be easier to divide up but it still seems like a long shot to me.

 

[Piney]

Funny you mention Oklahoma and Kansas... the other half of the rumor is if they can't get Texas/Missouri, those are the other 2 schools they are talking about.

But I agree... it is far fetched... thank god we are only 4 weeks away from real games!

 

[ulukinatme]

/removed

I said Cinci and Connecticut were likely candidates simply because they've been vocally dissatisfied with their current home. Basically if the B1G came calling, those two teams would be on board no questions asked. Granted if the B1G came calling I'm sure any of the AAC teams would jump ship immediately. I don't honestly feel like the B1G would ever pursue Cinci or Connecticut. Neither team would fit in the B1G. I don't honestly think the B1G will pursue anyone until either the Big 12 GOR expires, or a team decides they want out and they're sure it won't hold up legally.

 

[LovelandBuckeye]

That's complete nonsense of course...but since we're bored....

Would Missouri really leave the SEC & slink back to the B1G after being spurned once?

If Texas is jumping ship they aren't going alone. Maybe they can cut the Tech & Baylor cords but I can't see them not bringing at least Oklahoma along.

Despite my concerns about Oklahoma academically (and their history of playing fast & loose with the rules) a Texas-Oklahoma duo would be one hell of a coup.

If someone Missouri really is coming along then you need one more & Kansas is the natural bridge (and does bring some money in basketball).

So that 18 team B1G leaves a natural split along the following lines:

East:
Ohio State
TSUN
PSU
Sparty
Purdue
Indiana
Maryland
Rutgers

West:
Texas
Nebraska
Oklahoma
Wisconsin
Iowa
Northwestern
Illinois
Minnesota
Missouri
Kansas

So who goes east to balance it out? Northwestern? The last time around they preferred staying west, would that still be the case? Texas +1 would actually be easier to divide up but it still seems like a long shot to me.

Yes, I am bored.

A couple of things.

1. If that were to somehow happen I would be happy. I still like the sound UVa, UNC, & Ga. Tech +1.

2. After looking at that split and moving NW to the East all I can say is that Illinois will win the West every year...just wait, you'll see.

 

[Muck]

Funny you mention Oklahoma and Kansas... the other half of the rumor is if they can't get Texas/Missouri, those are the other 2 schools they are talking about.

But I agree... it is far fetched... thank god we are only 4 weeks away from real games!

I do know that between the time Nebraska bolted & the Maryland/Rutgers addition, Oklahoma approached the B1G inquiring about possible membership (without Okie St) and were told no.

Would Oklahoma (non-AAU) & Kansas (at risk for being booted from the AAU) pass the academic muster for the COP/C without a crowning jewel in Texas?

1. If that were to somehow happen I would be happy. I still like the sound UVa, UNC, & Ga. Tech +1.

I'm a fan of the balanced approach, expand a little in each direction. That helps avoid situations like Ohio State & TSUN being the only original Big Ten members in a division with a bunch of east coast teams.

If the B1G goes to 18 then it's probably going to 20. That gives you the ability to take two more from the east.

UVA + UNC/GT
ND + coattail

That gives you five original Big Ten teams on each side with five newcomers. That's probably the best possible world for balancing things out & integrating the newcomers without ghettoizing a long time member.

Ohio State, TSUN, Sparty, Purdue, Indiana + Penn State, Rutgers, Maryland, UVA/ND, UNC/GT/whoever

Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, Northwestern, Illinois + Nebraska, Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Kansas

That balances out nicely. It even lends itself to pods quite easily.

2. After looking at that split and moving NW to the East all I can say is that Illinois will win the West every year...just wait, you'll see.

Well yeah, that's a given.

 

[Buckeye86]

I think the Big Ten would be willing to take one major academic liability school east or west if the brand they bring is valuable enough.

Florida State and Oklahoma, I'm looking at you!

 

[LovelandBuckeye]

I do know that between the time Nebraska bolted & the Maryland/Rutgers addition, Oklahoma approached the B1G inquiring about possible membership (without Okie St) and were told no.

Would Oklahoma (non-AAU) & Kansas (at risk for being booted from the AAU) pass the academic muster for the COP/C without a crowning jewel in Texas?

IMO, not a chance in hell. I think the Nebraska AAU situation ruined that for everyone else.

 

[Piney]

I do know that between the time Nebraska bolted & the Maryland/Rutgers addition, Oklahoma approached the B1G inquiring about possible membership (without Okie St) and were told no.

Would Oklahoma (non-AAU) & Kansas (at risk for being booted from the AAU) pass the academic muster for the COP/C without a crowning jewel in Texas?

This is why I don't know what to make of this rumor except for the fact is we cannot wait for the actual games to start.

But you have to look at the source... Ohio State. Meaning Dodds and the other conference 'insiders' is getting fed info from inside Ohio State. Like it or not of the B1G schools Ohio State is the most likely to not really care much about the academics of the school. It WANTS a power school... it probably feels it NEEDS a power school to raise the football profile of the conference.

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

Like it or not of the B1G schools Ohio State is the most likely to not really care much about the academics of the school.

:tic:

 

[Muck]

This is why I don't know what to make of this rumor except for the fact is we cannot wait for the actual games to start.

It's just filler to generate hits. There is always going to be talk between the various parties about plans in case of various contingencies. That doesn't mean any of those plans are ever going to develop beyond talk.

:tic:

I tend to agree with him. Supposedly Gee was very much on board with Oklahoma and/or FSU. Both still generally fit the B1G 'model' despite lagging a bit behind academically. One of the big things to remember is that both schools (as well as Nebraska) appear to be very serious about improving their academic reputation. Gee would probably be the first to argue that it's more important where those schools will be in 50 or 100 years than where they are now.