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Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

Which Teams Should the Big Ten Add? (please limit to four selections)

  • Boston College

    Votes: 32 10.2%
  • Cincinnati

    Votes: 19 6.1%
  • Connecticut

    Votes: 6 1.9%
  • Duke

    Votes: 21 6.7%
  • Georgia Tech

    Votes: 55 17.6%
  • Kansas

    Votes: 46 14.7%
  • Maryland

    Votes: 67 21.4%
  • Missouri

    Votes: 90 28.8%
  • North Carolina

    Votes: 39 12.5%
  • Notre Dame

    Votes: 209 66.8%
  • Oklahoma

    Votes: 78 24.9%
  • Pittsburgh

    Votes: 45 14.4%
  • Rutgers

    Votes: 40 12.8%
  • Syracuse

    Votes: 18 5.8%
  • Texas

    Votes: 121 38.7%
  • Vanderbilt

    Votes: 15 4.8%
  • Virginia

    Votes: 47 15.0%
  • Virginia Tech

    Votes: 62 19.8%
  • Stay at 12 teams and don't expand

    Votes: 27 8.6%
  • Add some other school(s) not listed

    Votes: 25 8.0%

  • Total voters
    313
Steve19;2276137; said:
Sharing resources hurts because there is only so much money to go around for research and people's careers and salaries depend on it. You need people on your team who are the best at what they do because, if you conduct research and it doesn't find a home in a top journal, your tenure and your job depend on it. Some universities give you three years, many up to 6 years, but if you don't produce research in the top journals and show evidence of its impact in the citations of other top researchers, then you don't get to keep your job. It is a very unkind world and there is no room for "sharing is caring".

Sports is such a big part of our lives. The fact that we are here, especially those of us who are here often, is a measure of the abnormal importance that we place on university sports. My point earlier is that sports is secondary to the university and its stakeholders.

Here's Ohio State's vision and mission statement (link). See the word sports anywhere?

The Ohio State University Vision

A successful strategic plan requires two fundamental components. First, the plan must be designed around a strong, compelling vision that provides context and identifies overall direction and goals. Second, the organization needs strategies to achieve that vision and the capacity and will to execute those strategies.

The most meaningful statements of vision are comprised of four elements - a statement of the organization's core purpose; an illumination of a few core values that represent its true essence; a significant overarching goal, which the organization is fully committed to achieving; and finally, a description of what the organization would be like should it succeed in achieving its overarching goal in a way that is consistent with its purpose and values.

The vision statement that follows succeeds the original mission-vision statement adopted by the University in 1992, which was intended for review on a decennial basis. The new vision statement was developed initially by a group of Ohio State administrators, deans, and faculty. Subsequently, it was revised based on comments from faculty, staff, and students as well as representatives from the extended Ohio State community. This vision stands today as the underpinning and conceptual framework for the strategies and initiatives outlined in the plan that follows. It also reflects the values and aspirations of a broad cross section of the University community.

Purpose

To advance the well-being of the people of Ohio and the global community through the creation and dissemination of knowledge.

Core Values


  • Pursue knowledge for its own sake.
  • Ignite in our students a lifelong love of learning.
  • Produce discoveries that make the world a better place.
  • Celebrate and learn from our diversity.
  • Open the world to our students.
Overarching Goal

The Ohio State University will be among the world's truly great universities.

Future

The Ohio State University will be recognized worldwide for the quality and impact of its research, teaching, and service. Our students will be able to learn and to advance knowledge in all areas. As a 21st century land-grant university, The Ohio State University will set the standard for the creation and dissemination of knowledge in service to its communities, state, nation, and the world. Our faculty, students, and staff will be among the best in the nation.

Academic excellence will be enriched by an environment that mirrors the diverse world in which we live. Within this environment, we will come to value the differences in one another along with the similarities, and to appreciate that the human condition is best served through understanding, acceptance, and mutual respect. Throughout the learning process, our faculty and staff will find the highest levels of fulfillment and satisfaction as they collaborate to educate and support a student body recognized for its scholarship and integrity.

Students will have the opportunity to learn on our campuses or from locations around the world through the innovative use of technology. The quality of our physical facilities and grounds will be consistent with our world-class status. Extracurricular activities will support the personal growth of all members of our community. Our intercollegiate athletic programs will routinely rank among the elite few.

Graduation rates for all students will compare favorably with the nation's best public universities. Most of all, our graduates will be among the most sought after by the world's best employers and will become leaders in their communities and accomplished professionals in their chosen work. We will lead Ohio to a dynamic knowledge economy, and our research, widely known for its multidisciplinary programs, will help solve the most challenging social, cultural, technical, and health- related problems.

The excellence of our programs will be recognized by the highest levels of public and private support. As a result, The Ohio State University will earn an intensity of alumni loyalty and of public esteem unsurpassed by any other university.

That's great and everything, but we are talking about the Big Ten..an ATHLETIC CONFERENCE. This is about athletics, no one is saying that everything is about athletics, no one is saying that athletics is more important then anything. But we are talking about who we are partnering with in sports, that is what THIS is about, not what EVERYTHING is about but what THIS is about.
 
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Steve19;2276137; said:
Sharing resources hurts because there is only so much money to go around for research and people's careers and salaries depend on it. You need people on your team who are the best at what they do because, if you conduct research and it doesn't find a home in a top journal, your tenure and your job depend on it. Some universities give you three years, many up to 6 years, but if you don't produce research in the top journals and show evidence of its impact in the citations of other top researchers, then you don't get to keep your job. It is a very unkind world and there is no room for "sharing is caring".

Sports is such a big part of our lives. The fact that we are here, especially those of us who are here often, is a measure of the abnormal importance that we place on university sports. My point earlier is that sports is secondary to the university and its stakeholders.

Here's Ohio State's vision and mission statement (link). See the word sports anywhere?

The Ohio State University Vision

A successful strategic plan requires two fundamental components. First, the plan must be designed around a strong, compelling vision that provides context and identifies overall direction and goals. Second, the organization needs strategies to achieve that vision and the capacity and will to execute those strategies.

The most meaningful statements of vision are comprised of four elements - a statement of the organization's core purpose; an illumination of a few core values that represent its true essence; a significant overarching goal, which the organization is fully committed to achieving; and finally, a description of what the organization would be like should it succeed in achieving its overarching goal in a way that is consistent with its purpose and values.

The vision statement that follows succeeds the original mission-vision statement adopted by the University in 1992, which was intended for review on a decennial basis. The new vision statement was developed initially by a group of Ohio State administrators, deans, and faculty. Subsequently, it was revised based on comments from faculty, staff, and students as well as representatives from the extended Ohio State community. This vision stands today as the underpinning and conceptual framework for the strategies and initiatives outlined in the plan that follows. It also reflects the values and aspirations of a broad cross section of the University community.

Purpose

To advance the well-being of the people of Ohio and the global community through the creation and dissemination of knowledge.

Core Values


  • Pursue knowledge for its own sake.
  • Ignite in our students a lifelong love of learning.
  • Produce discoveries that make the world a better place.
  • Celebrate and learn from our diversity.
  • Open the world to our students.

Overarching Goal

The Ohio State University will be among the world's truly great universities.

Future

The Ohio State University will be recognized worldwide for the quality and impact of its research, teaching, and service. Our students will be able to learn and to advance knowledge in all areas. As a 21st century land-grant university, The Ohio State University will set the standard for the creation and dissemination of knowledge in service to its communities, state, nation, and the world. Our faculty, students, and staff will be among the best in the nation.

Academic excellence will be enriched by an environment that mirrors the diverse world in which we live. Within this environment, we will come to value the differences in one another along with the similarities, and to appreciate that the human condition is best served through understanding, acceptance, and mutual respect. Throughout the learning process, our faculty and staff will find the highest levels of fulfillment and satisfaction as they collaborate to educate and support a student body recognized for its scholarship and integrity.

Students will have the opportunity to learn on our campuses or from locations around the world through the innovative use of technology. The quality of our physical facilities and grounds will be consistent with our world-class status. Extracurricular activities will support the personal growth of all members of our community. Our intercollegiate athletic programs will routinely rank among the elite few.

Graduation rates for all students will compare favorably with the nation's best public universities. Most of all, our graduates will be among the most sought after by the world's best employers and will become leaders in their communities and accomplished professionals in their chosen work. We will lead Ohio to a dynamic knowledge economy, and our research, widely known for its multidisciplinary programs, will help solve the most challenging social, cultural, technical, and health- related problems.

The excellence of our programs will be recognized by the highest levels of public and private support. As a result, The Ohio State University will earn an intensity of alumni loyalty and of public esteem unsurpassed by any other university.

"Our intercollegiate athletic programs will routinely rank among the elite few"?
 
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Steve19;2276137; said:
Sharing resources hurts because there is only so much money to go around for research and people's careers and salaries depend on it. You need people on your team who are the best at what they do because, if you conduct research and it doesn't find a home in a top journal, your tenure and your job depend on it. Some universities give you three years, many up to 6 years, but if you don't produce research in the top journals and show evidence of its impact in the citations of other top researchers, then you don't get to keep your job. It is a very unkind world and there is no room for "sharing is caring".

Sports is such a big part of our lives. The fact that we are here, especially those of us who are here often, is a measure of the abnormal importance that we place on university sports. My point earlier is that sports is secondary to the university and its stakeholders.

Here's Ohio State's vision and mission statement (link). See the word sports anywhere?

The Ohio State University Vision

A successful strategic plan requires two fundamental components. First, the plan must be designed around a strong, compelling vision that provides context and identifies overall direction and goals. Second, the organization needs strategies to achieve that vision and the capacity and will to execute those strategies.

The most meaningful statements of vision are comprised of four elements - a statement of the organization's core purpose; an illumination of a few core values that represent its true essence; a significant overarching goal, which the organization is fully committed to achieving; and finally, a description of what the organization would be like should it succeed in achieving its overarching goal in a way that is consistent with its purpose and values.

The vision statement that follows succeeds the original mission-vision statement adopted by the University in 1992, which was intended for review on a decennial basis. The new vision statement was developed initially by a group of Ohio State administrators, deans, and faculty. Subsequently, it was revised based on comments from faculty, staff, and students as well as representatives from the extended Ohio State community. This vision stands today as the underpinning and conceptual framework for the strategies and initiatives outlined in the plan that follows. It also reflects the values and aspirations of a broad cross section of the University community.

Purpose

To advance the well-being of the people of Ohio and the global community through the creation and dissemination of knowledge.

Core Values


  • Pursue knowledge for its own sake.
  • Ignite in our students a lifelong love of learning.
  • Produce discoveries that make the world a better place.
  • Celebrate and learn from our diversity.
  • Open the world to our students.

Overarching Goal

The Ohio State University will be among the world's truly great universities.

Future

The Ohio State University will be recognized worldwide for the quality and impact of its research, teaching, and service. Our students will be able to learn and to advance knowledge in all areas. As a 21st century land-grant university, The Ohio State University will set the standard for the creation and dissemination of knowledge in service to its communities, state, nation, and the world. Our faculty, students, and staff will be among the best in the nation.

Academic excellence will be enriched by an environment that mirrors the diverse world in which we live. Within this environment, we will come to value the differences in one another along with the similarities, and to appreciate that the human condition is best served through understanding, acceptance, and mutual respect. Throughout the learning process, our faculty and staff will find the highest levels of fulfillment and satisfaction as they collaborate to educate and support a student body recognized for its scholarship and integrity.

Students will have the opportunity to learn on our campuses or from locations around the world through the innovative use of technology. The quality of our physical facilities and grounds will be consistent with our world-class status. Extracurricular activities will support the personal growth of all members of our community. Our intercollegiate athletic programs will routinely rank among the elite few.

Graduation rates for all students will compare favorably with the nation's best public universities. Most of all, our graduates will be among the most sought after by the world's best employers and will become leaders in their communities and accomplished professionals in their chosen work. We will lead Ohio to a dynamic knowledge economy, and our research, widely known for its multidisciplinary programs, will help solve the most challenging social, cultural, technical, and health- related problems.

The excellence of our programs will be recognized by the highest levels of public and private support. As a result, The Ohio State University will earn an intensity of alumni loyalty and of public esteem unsurpassed by any other university.
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JBaney45;2276142; said:
That's great and everything, but we are talking about the Big Ten..an ATHLETIC CONFERENCE. This is about athletics, no one is saying that everything is about athletics, no one is saying that athletics is more important then anything. But we are talking about who we are partnering with in sports, that is what THIS is about, not what EVERYTHING is about but what THIS is about.

You're forgetting who actually approves of universities joining the Big Ten.

It's not Urban Meyer, Gene Smith, Brady Hoke, or Dave Brandon.

It's Gordon Gee and Mary Sue Coleman.

What do you think they care about more - football, or the other 90% of their university's budget? The Big Ten may be about football, but thanks to the CIC, its a bit more than that - unlike any other conference.

That is why the academics matter. Yes, the TV and football product are very important, but the presidents aren't beholden simply to one part of the greater collaboration between schools. Everything matters in who joins - not just the sport you like.
 
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Mike80;2276039; said:
If it were about football only they would have taken Oklahoma, Texas, Oklahoma State and KState along with Nebraska, but they didn't.

But keep on kidding yourselves guys. You all are playing checkers while Delaney and the Big Ten Presidents are playing Chess.

no one is playing anything since we are not part of conference expansion

and I dont see anyone saying that academics shouldnt be part of it but damn I personally would like to see a football power join otherwise lets git MIT involved and just give them TV and bowl rev with no sports teams so they can be in the B1G CIC
 
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Muck;2276051; said:
Congresscritters from States with CIC members and who happen to be on committees responsible for distributing research funds are big fans of the term quid pro quo.

Want to know why Ohio State sometimes is awarded money over schools like Texas? Because Senators in TSUN, Indiana, Illinois and/or Wisconsin pushed for it.



Really it's about long term demographics.

The commissioner of the Big Ten wasn't lying when he repeatedly talked about it.



There is a bar that has to be met. Nebraska barely cleared that bar (before tripping over it after admission). If a school does not meet the minimum standard of said bar they will not get in.


which is about TV sets
 
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BayBuck;2276141; said:
I see the words "intercollegiate athletic programs" :wink2:

And that is my point. It is reduced to one sentence, of secondary importance. It is not going to be the tail that wags the dog. But, it is part of our culture and it is important enough to be considered a part of the University's vision for the future. Conference expansion will be considered in that context.

Always remember Woody's attitude toward academics and the way that they treated one of the best coaches in college basketball, Fred Taylor. At the end of the day, the core values will drive big decisions in universities, which are places in which people fight over whose desk is bigger.
 
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Mrstickball;2276154; said:
You're forgetting who actually approves of universities joining the Big Ten.

It's not Urban Meyer, Gene Smith, Brady Hoke, or Dave Brandon.

It's Gordon Gee and Mary Sue Coleman.

What do you think they care about more - football, or the other 90% of their university's budget? The Big Ten may be about football, but thanks to the CIC, its a bit more than that - unlike any other conference.

That is why the academics matter. Yes, the TV and football product are very important, but the presidents aren't beholden simply to one part of the greater collaboration between schools. Everything matters in who joins - not just the sport you like.


No, they should be caring about athletics, these are first and foremost ATHLETIC relationships. A big part of the success of Ohio State athletics is being a part of an elite athletic conference.

Yes, the good of our academic programs is a far greater consideration, but the success of those programs has little to absolutely nothing to do with the fucking CIC. That is the disconnect with the whole argument, the CIC isn't a pimple on the ass of any of the Big Ten school's academic bodies.
 
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JBaney45;2276324; said:
No, they should be caring about athletics, these are first and foremost ATHLETIC relationships. A big part of the success of Ohio State athletics is being a part of an elite athletic conference.

Yes, the good of our academic programs is a far greater consideration, but the success of those programs has little to absolutely nothing to do with the [censored]ing CIC. That is the disconnect with the whole argument, the CIC isn't a pimple on the ass of any of the Big Ten school's academic bodies.


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Is the importance of the CIC overstated at times? Absolutely. Do, however, the Big Ten Presidents take the role of the CIC both in reality and--equally important--in public relations very seriously? Also, absolutely. Image and perception are important to the conference. The Corn dealt the Big Ten a blow academically (if only in image and perception) when they were flushed out of the AAU. I just can't see the Presidents taking in FSU when UVA and UNC AND Georgia Tech are all still on the market. The Corn at least were in the AAU when they were accepted. To bring in FSU is to walk away from any pretense that there is an academic standard for Big Ten membership whatsoever, and that's a step that I believe the Big Ten Presidents will never take regardless of cable boxes and five star recruits.
 
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ORD makes a great point.

I just can't see the Presidents taking in FSU when UVA and UNC AND Georgia Tech are all still on the market.

and with schools like these and others still being a potential member...

To bring in FSU is to walk away from any pretense that there is an academic standard for Big Ten membership whatsoever, and that's a step that I believe the Big Ten Presidents will never take regardless of cable boxes and five star recruits.

Not that it's just FSU but if membership really has it's privilege$ then membership probably needs criteria.
 
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