Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[Muck]

Nebraska can't really be faulted for losing membership.

See some of my past posts on the topic.

Nebraska lost membership because Perlman pissed off the voters.

 

[colobuck79]

To be fair, they didn't trip over it. Their academic reputation didn't go down. The AAU decided they no longer would count certain research programs. Nebraska can't really be faulted for losing membership.

I continue to be amazed at how academia snobs look down their noses at agricultural research. Somehow I think that developing a disease resistant crop or increasing corn yields by 10 bushels an acre is at least as important than much of the liberal arts research that is done. But what do I know?

 

[Mike80]

I continue to be amazed at how academia snobs look down their noses at agricultural research. Somehow I think that developing a disease resistant crop or increasing corn yields by 10 bushels an acre is at least as important than much of the liberal arts research that is done. But what do I know?

I think what really did Nebraska in other than Perlman pissing everyone off was they don't have a medical complex on campus or in the UNL university system.

 

[colobuck79]

I think what really did Nebraska in other than Perlman [censored]ing everyone off was they don't have a medical complex on campus or in the UNL university system.

That is true, but I also read that ag reasearch wasn't counted in some total included in the AAU calculations.

 

[Bleed S & G]

This is NOT about football. It never has been. Sure it's been about TV sets to a certain extent, but with the shifting landscape in academics as well as athletics, the Big Ten Presidents are going to go for their best fit on the academic side first.

That leaves FSU out, and FSU isn't exactly a great option for football anyway.

This is an athletic confrence. Go to bigten.org and show me where they are displaying all the excellent research being conducted.

FSU is a much better option for football than Rutgers & Maryland. And Illinois. And Indiana.. Minnesota.. Purude.

Maryland & Rutgers endowment suck, they don't help the prestige atheltically, and they're not exactly Yale or Harvard.

If it were about football only they would have taken Oklahoma, Texas, Oklahoma State and KState along with Nebraska, but they didn't.

But keep on kidding yourselves guys. You all are playing checkers while Delaney and the Big Ten Presidents are playing Chess.

There are more factors than just football.. I acknowledge that.


You hope Delany is playing Chess here... as the SEC adds top notch football programs we look down our nose at academically.


We might as well become the Ivy league.

 

[PlanetFrnd]

This is an athletic confrence. Go to bigten.org and show me where they are displaying all the excellent research being conducted.

http://www.cic.net/Home.aspx

 

[JBaney45]

If it were about football only they would have taken Oklahoma, Texas, Oklahoma State and KState along with Nebraska, but they didn't.

But keep on kidding yourselves guys. You all are playing checkers while Delaney and the Big Ten Presidents are playing Chess.

Again I think FSU is a better school then say Ok State, plus you had the Texas schools leaching on Texas there.


But there would have been another element to bringing in all of those associated schools which is related to a question I'd like to bring up, and maybe this gets more into considering the academics of a school you are going to let into the conference even more so then any of straight forward research benefits.

At what point do you as an individual school begin to be concerned about your voice within the conference? If 20 teams is the end game here we have practically doubled the size of the conference in a few years time. The 10 schools that have been around the block in the Big Ten..and to a lesser extent Penn State have worked and collaborated together for a long time now. Now we're talking about potentially going up to 9 more mouths in a very short time frame. Should schools, particularly ones like ours who have a very vested interest in sports be concerned about having our voice at the table diminished?

I'm talking about the timing of the Ohio State-Michigan game, I'm talking about our relationship moving forward with the Rose Bowl and I'm sure countless other examples people could come up with should they stop to think about it. How many times will we be asked to sacrifice our tradition for "the good of the whole?". A whole we in many ways don't even need to begin with. Will all these new schools be content in staying quiet and accepting their share of the cash or will there be constant attempts to undermine us?

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

This is an athletic confrence.

...

We might as well become the Ivy league.

Recent B1G additions:

-State Penn
-Nebraska
-Maryland
-Rutgers

Balanced expansion is balanced, IMO.

All this hyperbole is ridiculous. The PTB seem to be doing a thorough and comprehensive job in guiding the expansion maneuvers. I, for one, welcome our new B1G overlords.

:p

 

[BigWoof31]

So by adding FSU we would lock up the old New York retiree market in Florida? By my estimate that gives us nearly half of the Florida population - SOLD!

Ha - the half that doesn't play or watch football.

 

[Muck]

I continue to be amazed at how academia snobs look down their noses at agricultural research. Somehow I think that developing a disease resistant crop or increasing corn yields by 10 bushels an acre is at least as important than much of the liberal arts research that is done. But what do I know?

Liberal arts research?

So by adding FSU we would lock up the old New York retiree market in Florida? By my estimate that gives us nearly half of the Florida population - SOLD!

Wait isn't that U of Miami's market?

At what point do you as an individual school begin to be concerned about your voice within the conference? If 20 teams is the end game here we have practically doubled the size of the conference in a few years time. The 10 schools that have been around the block in the Big Ten..and to a lesser extent Penn State have worked and collaborated together for a long time now. Now we're talking about potentially going up to 9 more mouths in a very short time frame. Should schools, particularly ones like ours who have a very vested interest in sports be concerned about having our voice at the table diminished?

I'm talking about the timing of the Ohio State-Michigan game, I'm talking about our relationship moving forward with the Rose Bowl and I'm sure countless other examples people could come up with should they stop to think about it. How many times will we be asked to sacrifice our tradition for "the good of the whole?". A whole we in many ways don't even need to begin with. Will all these new schools be content in staying quiet and accepting their share of the cash or will there be constant attempts to undermine us?

Excellent points.

 

[Bleed S & G]

http://www.cic.net/Home.aspx

I get that the CIC benefits each university by sharing resources. Plus, interesting to see a school who is in the CIC but NOT in the Big Ten athletic conference.

How could sharing resources with ANY school hurt? The CIC, I would think, would help places like FSU get caught up to speed more than any negative effects from us accepting FSU into the conference.

However, I asked Mike80 to go check out the BIGTEN's website.. not the CIC's website.

Let me ask this question: how does adding FSU hurt the conference prestige? Because as a university they've commited themselves to becoming better and joining the AAU? C'mon.. this makes more sense than Rutgers. Location be damned.

If we want to be a psuedo Ivy league.. bring in Duke.

 

[PlanetFrnd]

I get that the CIC benefits each university by sharing resources. Plus, interesting to see a school who is in the CIC but NOT in the Big Ten athletic conference.

How could sharing resources with ANY school hurt? The CIC, I would think, would help places like FSU get caught up to speed more than any negative effects from us accepting FSU into the conference.

However, I asked Mike80 to go check out the BIGTEN's website.. not the CIC's website.

Let me ask this question: how does adding FSU hurt the conference prestige? Because as a university they've commited themselves to becoming better and joining the AAU? C'mon.. this makes more sense than Rutgers. Location be damned.

If we want to be a psuedo Ivy league.. bring in Duke.

The B1G doesn't wag the dog here. It's like your arguing for OHSAA to dictate to the state of Ohio what schools should do.

 

[Steve19]

Sharing resources hurts because there is only so much money to go around for research and people's careers and salaries depend on it. You need people on your team who are the best at what they do because, if you conduct research and it doesn't find a home in a top journal, your tenure and your job depend on it. Some universities give you three years, many up to 6 years, but if you don't produce research in the top journals and show evidence of its impact in the citations of other top researchers, then you don't get to keep your job. It is a very unkind world and there is no room for "sharing is caring".

Sports is such a big part of our lives. The fact that we are here, especially those of us who are here often, is a measure of the abnormal importance that we place on university sports. My point earlier is that sports is secondary to the university and its stakeholders.

Here's Ohio State's vision and mission statement (link). See the word sports anywhere?

The Ohio State University Vision

A successful strategic plan requires two fundamental components. First, the plan must be designed around a strong, compelling vision that provides context and identifies overall direction and goals. Second, the organization needs strategies to achieve that vision and the capacity and will to execute those strategies.

The most meaningful statements of vision are comprised of four elements - a statement of the organization's core purpose; an illumination of a few core values that represent its true essence; a significant overarching goal, which the organization is fully committed to achieving; and finally, a description of what the organization would be like should it succeed in achieving its overarching goal in a way that is consistent with its purpose and values.

The vision statement that follows succeeds the original mission-vision statement adopted by the University in 1992, which was intended for review on a decennial basis. The new vision statement was developed initially by a group of Ohio State administrators, deans, and faculty. Subsequently, it was revised based on comments from faculty, staff, and students as well as representatives from the extended Ohio State community. This vision stands today as the underpinning and conceptual framework for the strategies and initiatives outlined in the plan that follows. It also reflects the values and aspirations of a broad cross section of the University community.

Purpose

To advance the well-being of the people of Ohio and the global community through the creation and dissemination of knowledge.

Core Values

• Pursue knowledge for its own sake.
• Ignite in our students a lifelong love of learning.
• Produce discoveries that make the world a better place.
• Celebrate and learn from our diversity.
• Open the world to our students.

Overarching Goal

The Ohio State University will be among the world's truly great universities.

Future

The Ohio State University will be recognized worldwide for the quality and impact of its research, teaching, and service. Our students will be able to learn and to advance knowledge in all areas. As a 21st century land-grant university, The Ohio State University will set the standard for the creation and dissemination of knowledge in service to its communities, state, nation, and the world. Our faculty, students, and staff will be among the best in the nation.

Academic excellence will be enriched by an environment that mirrors the diverse world in which we live. Within this environment, we will come to value the differences in one another along with the similarities, and to appreciate that the human condition is best served through understanding, acceptance, and mutual respect. Throughout the learning process, our faculty and staff will find the highest levels of fulfillment and satisfaction as they collaborate to educate and support a student body recognized for its scholarship and integrity.

Students will have the opportunity to learn on our campuses or from locations around the world through the innovative use of technology. The quality of our physical facilities and grounds will be consistent with our world-class status. Extracurricular activities will support the personal growth of all members of our community. Our intercollegiate athletic programs will routinely rank among the elite few.

Graduation rates for all students will compare favorably with the nation's best public universities. Most of all, our graduates will be among the most sought after by the world's best employers and will become leaders in their communities and accomplished professionals in their chosen work. We will lead Ohio to a dynamic knowledge economy, and our research, widely known for its multidisciplinary programs, will help solve the most challenging social, cultural, technical, and health- related problems.

The excellence of our programs will be recognized by the highest levels of public and private support. As a result, The Ohio State University will earn an intensity of alumni loyalty and of public esteem unsurpassed by any other university.

 

[redguard117]

Ha - the half that doesn't play or watch football.

I would agree but [something about Tier 0, 1 and 2 Cable Rights, the BTN, and other stuff I don't understand]

 

[BayBuck]

Sharing resources hurts because there is only so much money to go around for research and people's careers and salaries depend on it. You need people on your team who are the best at what they do because, if you conduct research and it doesn't find a home in a top journal, your tenure and your job depend on it. Some universities give you three years, many up to 6 years, but if you don't produce research in the top journals and show evidence of its impact in the citations of other top researchers, then you don't get to keep your job. It is a very unkind world and there is no room for "sharing is caring".

Sports is such a big part of our lives. The fact that we are here, especially those of us who are here often, is a measure of the abnormal importance that we place on university sports. My point earlier is that sports is secondary to the university and its stakeholders.

Here's Ohio State's vision and mission statement (link). See the word sports anywhere?

I see the words "intercollegiate athletic programs"