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Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

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Which Teams Should the Big Ten Add? (please limit to four selections)

  • Boston College

    Votes: 32 10.2%

  • Cincinnati

    Votes: 19 6.1%

  • Connecticut

    Votes: 6 1.9%

  • Duke

    Votes: 21 6.7%

  • Georgia Tech

    Votes: 55 17.6%

  • Kansas

    Votes: 46 14.7%

  • Maryland

    Votes: 67 21.4%

  • Missouri

    Votes: 90 28.8%

  • North Carolina

    Votes: 39 12.5%

  • Notre Dame

    Votes: 209 66.8%

  • Oklahoma

    Votes: 78 24.9%

  • Pittsburgh

    Votes: 45 14.4%

  • Rutgers

    Votes: 40 12.8%

  • Syracuse

    Votes: 18 5.8%

  • Texas

    Votes: 121 38.7%

  • Vanderbilt

    Votes: 15 4.8%

  • Virginia

    Votes: 47 15.0%

  • Virginia Tech

    Votes: 62 19.8%

  • Stay at 12 teams and don't expand

    Votes: 27 8.6%

  • Add some other school(s) not listed

    Votes: 25 8.0%
  • Total voters
    313
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BusNative;1995298; said:
Let's just stop all the Toronto nonsense, please? Forget sports for a moment... is the U.S. going to export research dollars to a Canadian school via the CIC?

No.

Non-starter.

Move along.
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It would make inroads with the Canadian government to export research dollars to American schools as well.

Given the strength of the Canadian economy, I'd say its a pretty darn attractive option.
 
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As a fan of the B1G's new kid on the block, IMO, the conference doesn't need to expand for the sake of expansion. The addition of Nebraska is a win-win for both parties (i'm thrilled my team is a member of this league, still a weird feeling, though) and the only other team out that there who would fit like a glove in the B1G is of course Notre Dame. I could see Commish Delaney laying low until the ABC/ESPN deal is up and let the other conferences be the superconference guiena pig.
 
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Here is an interesting article about conference expansion.


http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/the-geography-of-college-football-fans-and-realignment-chaos/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+nyt/rss/Sports+(NYT+%3E+Sports)&seid=auto&smid=tw-nytimessports


Of course, the question that an analysis cannot address is whether through expansion a conference can become more than the sum of its parts ? or if it instead risks becoming less.

The only two conferences that can feel completely secure right now are the Big Ten and the S.E.C..
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Buckeyefrankmp;1995322; said:
Here is an interesting article about
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Damn beat me to it!

Everyone the article frank linked really is worth taking a look at.

It does a great job touching on some topics we've discussed previously (ie do New Yorkers give a shit about college football & would Rutgers make a dent).

There’s also long been talk of the Big Ten expanding into the Notheast. But Rutgers (0.9 million fans) and Connecticut (0.6 million) are only middling targets on their own merits because of the relatively low enthusiasm for college football in the region (the same would have gone for Syracuse or Pittsburgh, which just decided to join the A.C.C.).”
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If nothing else the CommonCensus map it references is a fantastic resource.

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Do many people here read other discussion boards on this topic? I check out the Rivals boards for Northwestern and Rutgers, one for information and one to watch the posters cream themselves about possibly getting into the B1G.

I tried Irish Envy (oh the arrogance in the name) for a moment and Notre Dame posters seem resigned to joining a conference.

I still don't know about purple dude on the Northwestern board, but his posts are interesting.

Oh, and the Rutgers fans seem to generally refer to their school as a "sleeping giant." It is somewhat true. They have the footprint, academics, research, alumni, investment (though they are in debt) in sports, and flagship school status to step it up if they joined a conference like ours. Then again, there is the counterpoint: they are Rutgers. Before I moved out here I didn't know where Rutgers was. They have won nothing in any sport in forever-- well maybe one title in fencing or something.
 
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kinch;1995334; said:
Do many people here read other discussion boards on this topic? I check out the Rivals boards for Northwestern and Rutgers, one for information and one to watch the posters cream themselves about possibly getting into the B1G.

I tried Irish Envy (oh the arrogance in the name) for a moment and Notre Dame posters seem resigned to joining a conference.

I still don't know about purple dude on the Northwestern board, but his posts are interesting.
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I've been primarily following Frank The Tank's blog.

I'll periodically stop by the Northwestern board & Orangebloods (Longhorns) with the occasional visit to those of various schools that are suddenly in play for moves.
Oh, and the Rutgers fans seem to generally refer to their school as a "sleeping giant." It is somewhat true. They have the footprint, academics, research, alumni, investment (though they are in debt) in sports, and flagship school status to step it up if they joined a conference like ours. Then again, there is the counterpoint: they are Rutgers. Before I moved out here I didn't know where Rutgers was. They have won nothing in any sport in forever-- well maybe one title in fencing or something.
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I'm very leery about Rutgers' athletic department fiscal situation. They're spending more than they bring in right now to keep up with the joneses...and keep in mind that their joneses are Pitt & WVU.

How far in debt will they go trying to keep up with Ohio State, TSUN, Penn St & Wisconsin (the revenue bump they'll get from joining the B1G isn't nearly enough to get them in the same ball park as the aforementioned)?

I have a bad feeling they'll completely blow themselves up trying to match the big spenders in the B1G.

Besides we get enough NJ douchebags with Penn State...do we really want to bring in the rest of them?
 
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Not sure about the validity of the numbers between the NY Times blog/CommonCensus since it's only pseudo-sciency, but it does help bolster Nebraska as a viable addition to the Big Ten, which is nice.

Academically we all know NU trails everyone else. We'll get better. But for the economics of athletics, we make a lot of sense.

Now if we only had a defense, all would be right with the world...
 
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Muck;1995339; said:
I've been primarily following Frank The Tank's blog.

I'll periodically stop by the Northwestern board & Orangebloods (Longhorns) with the occasional visit to those of various schools that are suddenly in play for moves.
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I'm very leery about Rutgers' athletic department fiscal situation. They're spending more than they bring in right now to keep up with the joneses'...keeping in mind that their joneses' are Pitt & WVU.

How far in debt will they go trying to keep up with Ohio State, TSUN, Penn St & Wisconsin (the revenue bump they'll get from joining the B1G isn't nearly enough to get them in the same ball park as the aforementioned)?

I have a bad feeling they'll completely blow themselves up trying to match the big spenders in the B1G.

Besides we get enough NJ douchebags with Penn State...do we really want to bring in the rest of them?
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Over the off season of expansion before, I also followed the other two you mentioned (and Huskerboard). Frank seemed intuitive and had good commentary, and on Orangebloods Chip Brown (is that right?) always seemed to get everything wrong, as if he wanted twitter hits or was intentionally being fed information to test the market.

I'm no B&T fan either, but Rutgers does have everything in place. Of course, if they haven't managed to do it for this long, how much could we help? The stats from the article above says Rutgers has the most fans in NYC. Anecdotally, I agree with someone that posted earlier that they have never met a Rutgers fan in NYC.

I think that that article uses "fan" loosely.

Do you like college football?

"Uh yeah, sure."

Who is your favorite team?

"Rutgers"

They should have followed it up with "have you ever gone out to see a game, cancelled your wife's plans to watch a game, or been to a game? "NO"

All the fans I see here are Big Ten. Maybe Boston College. UConn is much like Rutgers, except I know a few "fans." However, they don't watch any of the games or know any of the players.
 
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knapplc;1995348; said:
Academically we all know NU trails everyone else.
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Where do you get that?

Northwestern is usually at the front of the pack when it comes to 'ranking' academics in the B1G.

We'll get better.
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UNL appears to have made a very strong commitment to raising their profile & I think that was the last little push they needed to convince the COP/C.
 
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Just to add to the "fans in NYC" concept, the fans here are almost all transplants. Most people here went to Ivy, city (like CUNY) or NY State schools: none of whom care about football at the college level. Rutgers people just don't care, but must exist, though I've only met one graduate-- and he didn't care about football. Almost all the fans I meat are B1G graduates, generally Ohio State, Michigan, and some Wisconsin. I've met a few Maryland, BC, and Florida ones too. That is about it.

Oh, and a couple Big 12 people, Texas and Oklahoma. By "met" for the Big 12 folks I am including seeing their T-Shirts on the street, so they could be tourists given where I work.
 
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