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Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

Which Teams Should the Big Ten Add? (please limit to four selections)

  • Boston College

    Votes: 32 10.2%
  • Cincinnati

    Votes: 19 6.1%
  • Connecticut

    Votes: 6 1.9%
  • Duke

    Votes: 21 6.7%
  • Georgia Tech

    Votes: 55 17.6%
  • Kansas

    Votes: 46 14.7%
  • Maryland

    Votes: 67 21.4%
  • Missouri

    Votes: 90 28.8%
  • North Carolina

    Votes: 39 12.5%
  • Notre Dame

    Votes: 209 66.8%
  • Oklahoma

    Votes: 78 24.9%
  • Pittsburgh

    Votes: 45 14.4%
  • Rutgers

    Votes: 40 12.8%
  • Syracuse

    Votes: 18 5.8%
  • Texas

    Votes: 121 38.7%
  • Vanderbilt

    Votes: 15 4.8%
  • Virginia

    Votes: 47 15.0%
  • Virginia Tech

    Votes: 62 19.8%
  • Stay at 12 teams and don't expand

    Votes: 27 8.6%
  • Add some other school(s) not listed

    Votes: 25 8.0%

  • Total voters
    313
bassbuckeye07;1955762; said:
@bylawblog The Bylaw Blog


The game is afoot. RT @InsideTide: Texas A&M could be on the move. Meeting with board of regents Thurs to discuss move to the SEC.

Wow. Homerun for the SEC if the move ever happens: reaching into Texas for a larger recruiting territory, TAMU has a better academic rating than most think and their deals with CBS and ESPN could get better.

Big 10 would definitely be on notice. My thoughts (which amount to nothing:biggrin:) are:
1. You have to at least touch base with UT. With the Longhorn Network on ESPiN and the way they leveraged the Big 10 last time around to get a better deal with its current conference and potentially Pac-12, I don't see it happening. But you have to ask. UT may be bunch of prima-donnas but they bring the entire package: eyeballs, recruiting, academics. My guess is they go Pac-16 if we end up with super conferences.
2. Notre Dame brings eyeballs, like it or not, and many of those eyeballs are in East Coast cities. You still have to look at them. While they'd have to enhance their graduate schools, the undergrad academics are a great fit.
3. Other than ND the Big 10 should go East to Southeast. We know the BTN is about $ and footprint. Missouri, KU, KSU, ISU, are terrible choices due to subpar academics and the 4 schools combined offer one brand name... KU basketball. The schools to chase are BC down through Va Tech. I'd go a little further south (particularly noting the GaTech rumors) but that does seem improbable to me.
 
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BuckTwenty;1955658; said:
I think Georgia has much more to offer the conference than GT and I'd been of the impression that Georgia isn't 100% happy with the daily goings-on with the SEC. They don't participate with the oversigning year after year and perpetual douche-baggery of their brethren.

Over signing, under reporting, blah blah blah.

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OSU_D/;1955787; said:
Missouri, KU, KSU, ISU, are terrible choices due to subpar academics and the 4 schools combined offer one brand name... KU basketball. The schools to chase are BC down through Va Tech. I'd go a little further south (particularly noting the GaTech rumors) but that does seem improbable to me.
I'm not sure that replacing Missouri and Kansas with Boston College and Virginia Tech would be a home run, but that's just my opinion. I have nothing to back that up. What seems to be popular is the destruction of the "regional" conferences. We (The Big Ten) would cease to be "Midwest", and that saddens me.
Left to themselves, ND would eventually reach MAC status. Putting them in the Big Ten would give them a second chance. I don't want to do that. :wink2:
 
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BuckTwenty;1955493; said:
I know it seems odd that Clemson is the SEC's first choice if they were to continue expansion, but it's always the first team out of Gatorubet's mouth. Always thought FSU and Oklahoma/Texas would be their first 2 choices. I know they've looked at North Carolina as a first choice as well, but sounds like NC wants nothing to do with SEC expansion... at all.

NC can look down the road and see what's happened to SC. They're always going to be a tier 2 football program in the SEC. At the time they left the ACC it was reported to be because of basketball and you can see you much that's helped them. If I were a Clemson fan I'm not sure I'd want to stick my head into the middle of that SEC top six and I'm pretty sure FSU is quite happy right where it's at.
 
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Jaxbuck;1955591; said:
Most of us simply flat out hate the Domers almost as much as we hate scUM.
Speak for yourself. Maybe we should do a poll to settle this.

What Mili said for the fan side of things, I want them in the B10 so we can see them humiliated and exposed for the middle of the road lightweight program they really are on an annual basis. See University, State Penn.

Well, based on all time records, ND is only one game down to OSU, Something like five to Michigan and well ahead of Michigan State, Purdue and Penn State in head-to-head match ups. I'd bet they're damn close to being 700 against Big 10 teams overall. (190 - 98 - 12 as of the end of 2008 or .633) Closer to 700 than 500.

As for Penn State, while I would agree that most of their fans thought they were going to come into the conference and run off a string of Rose Bowl visits, they've certainly secured themselves as being in the top tier of the Big 10 and the Buckeyes have certainly not enjoyed an annual "curb stomping" of the lions.
 
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cincibuck;1955909; said:
Speak for yourself. Maybe we should do a poll to settle this.



Well, based on all time records, ND is only one game down to OSU, Something like five to Michigan and well ahead of Michigan State, Purdue and Penn State in head-to-head match ups. I'd bet they're damn close to being 700 against Big 10 teams overall. (190 - 98 - 12 as of the end of 2008 or .633) Closer to 700 than 500.

As for Penn State, while I would agree that most of their fans thought they were going to come into the conference and run off a string of Rose Bowl visits, they've certainly secured themselves as being in the top tier of the Big 10 and the Buckeyes have certainly not enjoyed an annual "curb stomping" of the lions.

Ok I'll grant some feel more disdain toward ND than scUM.

As far as Penn State they are in the quadrennialy good group with Wisconsin, Iowa and the like and I think that's exactly where ND would be if you put them in the B10. I'll leave the semantics debate to others if that constitutes "top tier". To me top half =/= top tier.
 
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It's funny the effect ESPN has on college football. Funny and scary.

As we've seen in the last few weeks, ESPN's 'lowball' offer triggered Big Ten expansion, which is why you have a bunch of guests running around here sporting a Big Red
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. While I am well-pleased with your company (and I hope you're pleased with ours), it's disgusting to think that this marriage was arranged by the Bastards of Bristol, no matter how tangentially.

So, because of ESPN meddling, the Big Ten alters tradition and brings a new member into the fold. As if that weren't enough, in the distance like some gewgaw salesman we hear off in the distance, "But wait ? there's more!" At least potentially. And again it's because of ESPN meddling.

Once again the stage is the Big XII, but instead of two disgruntled northern schools, this time it's a southern stalwart, Texas A&M, whose affiliation with the Longhorns goes back more than a century. As I've mentioned before, the relationship here runs deep ? so deep that each school mentions the other in their fight song. To create a split in that relationship you'd have to have a pretty strong wedge.

That wedge is, apparently, ESPN and gobs of cash. Once again the four-letter network rears its ugly head. This is why, today more than ever, I feel that ESPN is bad for amateur athletics. But that's a discussion for another day.

Were A&M to move, the only logical moves they have are to the SEC or the PAC-12. They will not move to a second-tier conference, nor do conferences like the ACC, Big East or Big Ten make much sense, either fiscally or geographically. Maybe ? maybe ? they move to the Big Ten, but that's a longshot. That?s a move I'd welcome, for many reasons. The Aggies are good people. We'd have more inroads into Texas, both for my school and the conference. It would make sense for the BTN.

But fiscal and geographic reality says the SEC is the logical choice, with the PAC-12 second on the list. The only thing is, if either conference were to take the Aggies, they could not stop there. Thirteen schools in conference makes little sense; even numbers are better for scheduling as well as determining champions. That would mean another school from another conference most likely (unless the PAC-12 is the choice, and BYU jumps in).

For the SEC to add A&M, their next logical choice for a partner would be to further raid the Big XII or to grab a member of the ACC or Big East. The Big XII, minus A&M, would be vulnerable and very likely to lose their AQ status, making the task of prying another school loose that much easier. Oklahoma is a national brand and would be a good fit with the SEC. Clemson has a similar identity to other SEC schools, and the Clemson fans with whom I am acquainted tell me they've had a strong "like" for SEC membership for years. They don't seem married to the ACC, at least as far as I can tell.

Regardless of who the SEC would poach, or where they would poach from, adding another team ? or two, as seems more likely ? would send yet more shockwaves through the landscape of college football. Assuming a one- or two-team expansion by the SEC or PAC-12, could the other two major conferences (the Big Ten, and either the PAC-12 or SEC) stand by and allow that competitive, and fiscal, imbalance to stand? Or would that trigger yet more expansion by the other two?

Of the six AQ conferences, the two in most jeopardy in the Mega-Conference expansion scenario are the Big East, which is largely a basketball conference with middling football success, and the Big XII, already reeling from the defections of Nebraska and Colorado and faced with a major future financial imbalance generated by the Longhorn Network, and our friends at ESPN.
 
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bassbuckeye07;1955762; said:
@bylawblog The Bylaw Blog


The game is afoot. RT @InsideTide: Texas A&M could be on the move. Meeting with board of regents Thurs to discuss move to the SEC.

LINK

.../snip/...

The executive session will be informational only, including concerning UT?s plans to air a Big 12 football game on the ESPN-owned network, and to potentially air high school games, the insider said. No action will be taken, the person added, the regents will simply be informed of the latest by lawyers concerning the deep-pocketed network.


The insider said A&M is committed, for now, to making a 10-team Big 12 work, and that the threat of a potential move to the Southeastern Conference is not in the immediate future.


.../snip/...
 
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cincibuck;1955909; said:
As for Penn State, while I would agree that most of their fans thought they were going to come into the conference and run off a string of Rose Bowl visits, they've certainly secured themselves as being in the top tier of the Big 10 and the Buckeyes have certainly not enjoyed an annual "curb stomping" of the lions.

Eh, since 2002, the series is 7-2 in favor of the Bucks. Basically, what Jax said--every 4 years or so PSU has a senior-laden squad that is able to pull out a close win. Between those years, there are Ws in Columbus.
 
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I'd actually take Kansas over Missouri. Both AAU schools, and although Kansas isn't particularly good at football, they're elite at basketball. Missouri is good, but far from great, in both main sports. Heck, I'd probably take Kansas over Nebraska if I had the choice--Kansas is an AAU school and I'd argue that its basketball history is at least equal to, and likely exceeds, Nebraska's football history.
 
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JCOSU86;1955893; said:
I'm not sure that replacing Missouri and Kansas with Boston College and Virginia Tech would be a home run, but that's just my opinion. I have nothing to back that up. What seems to be popular is the destruction of the "regional" conferences. We (The Big Ten) would cease to be "Midwest", and that saddens me.
Left to themselves, ND would eventually reach MAC status. Putting them in the Big Ten would give them a second chance. I don't want to do that. :wink2:

Sorry if I came across harshly, I tried to add in my last one that nobody in Chicago consults me on this.

I just disagree with you. Concerning footprint for recruiting and BTN, the State of Virginia has almost as many people as Missouri and Kansas combined. In addition you start to tap into the DC population base. VaTech is better academically than Mizzou and KU are as well. I will grant that KU basketball is the single best sport in terms of a 'blueblood' ranking of any sport at any of those schools.

I understand your point about regional conferences as well. But we live in a time when TAMU could be in the Southeast, Colorado is in the Pacific 10 despite being two large states away from the Pacific, 50% of PSU fans want to be in an "Eastern" conference and somehow the Big East stretches into Wisconsin. To me the best realistic choices (my definitionition of realistic :biggrin:) are picking up the VaTechs, Marylands, etc and moving north which bring population, recruiting, eyeballs and academics.
 
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knapplc;1955935; said:
It's funny the effect ESPN has on college football. Funny and scary.

As we've seen in the last few weeks, ESPN's 'lowball' offer triggered Big Ten expansion, which is why you have a bunch of guests running around here sporting a Big Red
bigredn.png
. While I am well-pleased with your company (and I hope you're pleased with ours), it's disgusting to think that this marriage was arranged by the Bastards of Bristol, no matter how tangentially.

So, because of ESPN meddling, the Big Ten alters tradition and brings a new member into the fold. As if that weren't enough, in the distance like some gewgaw salesman we hear off in the distance, "But wait ? there's more!" At least potentially. And again it's because of ESPN meddling.

Once again the stage is the Big XII, but instead of two disgruntled northern schools, this time it's a southern stalwart, Texas A&M, whose affiliation with the Longhorns goes back more than a century. As I've mentioned before, the relationship here runs deep ? so deep that each school mentions the other in their fight song. To create a split in that relationship you'd have to have a pretty strong wedge.

That wedge is, apparently, ESPN and gobs of cash. Once again the four-letter network rears its ugly head. This is why, today more than ever, I feel that ESPN is bad for amateur athletics. But that's a discussion for another day.

Were A&M to move, the only logical moves they have are to the SEC or the PAC-12. They will not move to a second-tier conference, nor do conferences like the ACC, Big East or Big Ten make much sense, either fiscally or geographically. Maybe ? maybe ? they move to the Big Ten, but that's a longshot. That?s a move I'd welcome, for many reasons. The Aggies are good people. We'd have more inroads into Texas, both for my school and the conference. It would make sense for the BTN.

But fiscal and geographic reality says the SEC is the logical choice, with the PAC-12 second on the list. The only thing is, if either conference were to take the Aggies, they could not stop there. Thirteen schools in conference makes little sense; even numbers are better for scheduling as well as determining champions. That would mean another school from another conference most likely (unless the PAC-12 is the choice, and BYU jumps in).

For the SEC to add A&M, their next logical choice for a partner would be to further raid the Big XII or to grab a member of the ACC or Big East. The Big XII, minus A&M, would be vulnerable and very likely to lose their AQ status, making the task of prying another school loose that much easier. Oklahoma is a national brand and would be a good fit with the SEC. Clemson has a similar identity to other SEC schools, and the Clemson fans with whom I am acquainted tell me they've had a strong "like" for SEC membership for years. They don't seem married to the ACC, at least as far as I can tell.

Regardless of who the SEC would poach, or where they would poach from, adding another team ? or two, as seems more likely ? would send yet more shockwaves through the landscape of college football. Assuming a one- or two-team expansion by the SEC or PAC-12, could the other two major conferences (the Big Ten, and either the PAC-12 or SEC) stand by and allow that competitive, and fiscal, imbalance to stand? Or would that trigger yet more expansion by the other two?

Of the six AQ conferences, the two in most jeopardy in the Mega-Conference expansion scenario are the Big East, which is largely a basketball conference with middling football success, and the Big XII, already reeling from the defections of Nebraska and Colorado and faced with a major future financial imbalance generated by the Longhorn Network, and our friends at ESPN.

Once Auburn loses their accreditation and gets kicked out of the SEC, aTm will only make 12. :tongue2:
 
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