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Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

Which Teams Should the Big Ten Add? (please limit to four selections)

  • Boston College

    Votes: 32 10.2%
  • Cincinnati

    Votes: 19 6.1%
  • Connecticut

    Votes: 6 1.9%
  • Duke

    Votes: 21 6.7%
  • Georgia Tech

    Votes: 55 17.6%
  • Kansas

    Votes: 46 14.7%
  • Maryland

    Votes: 67 21.4%
  • Missouri

    Votes: 90 28.8%
  • North Carolina

    Votes: 39 12.5%
  • Notre Dame

    Votes: 209 66.8%
  • Oklahoma

    Votes: 78 24.9%
  • Pittsburgh

    Votes: 45 14.4%
  • Rutgers

    Votes: 40 12.8%
  • Syracuse

    Votes: 18 5.8%
  • Texas

    Votes: 121 38.7%
  • Vanderbilt

    Votes: 15 4.8%
  • Virginia

    Votes: 47 15.0%
  • Virginia Tech

    Votes: 62 19.8%
  • Stay at 12 teams and don't expand

    Votes: 27 8.6%
  • Add some other school(s) not listed

    Votes: 25 8.0%

  • Total voters
    313
High Lonesome;1718190; said:
there is no doubt that we are getting hosed on the home football schedule, but in my mind that was going on before all of this. Mack doesn't see a need for a tough schedule and to date he has been right. As strange as it seems, I almost hope that we get jumped in the BCS at the end of next year so that they will learn.*

Bevovision will be used for Baseball and other sports that have problems getting air time.

As a Texas fan I am pumped about the ability to watch Baseball on a consistant basis. I know that it doesn't sound like a big deal to yall but we take a lot of pride in that team and almost never get to see it till the supers.

Maybe its just the arrogant texan in me, but all this talk of the Pac10 passing and the big 10 telling texas take it or leave it the next time around seems foolish. While texas (with its own network) becomes a bit less desirable, there will still be plenty of options. We may not have the ability to pick and choose independantly but if this all starts going towards mega confrences Texas is not going to be left out in the cold. Especially if we are still raking in close to 15mm more than the next closest school.


*no I don't, what am I saying, I want another championship....and that ladies an gents is what they call a catch 22

BUT, what if all that comes out of this is a resentment of the way in which these negotiations were handled and what if UT finds out it really can't act independently, that they have to drag the little brothers and sisters along?

The political aspect was especially scary, knowing as I do, that Austin, Willy and keeping it weird, go deeply against the grain of a significant portion of the legislature -- and by the way -- Sing Sing on the Brazos -- I was kind of thinking I wouldn't mind seeing them in the Big 10 too and then I started reading their boards -- yall got some real mental health issues with little brother,
 
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cincibuck;1718214; said:
BUT, what if all that comes out of this is a resentment of the way in which these negotiations were handled and what if UT finds out it really can't act independently, that they have to drag the little brothers and sisters along?

The political aspect was especially scary, knowing as I do, that Austin, Willy and keeping it weird, go deeply against the grain of a significant portion of the legislature -- and by the way -- Sing Sing on the Brazos -- I was kind of thinking I wouldn't mind seeing them in the Big 10 too and then I started reading their boards -- yall got some real mental health issues with little brother,


There is no doubt that there will be some lingering resentment, but in the end its business. I don't believe for a second that this process was handled any differently than any other merger or buy out. All sides were working for their best interest, as they should.

As far as the politics go, I don't know that it will be as big of a deal. I have a couple of thoughts on this.

1.) Rick Perry will no longer be Gov.
2.) It was decided durring this go-round that UT and TAMU do not have to stay together

This process has left many bridges burnt localy and they are seemingly mending them with masking tape. I don't expect either of the states flagships to remain in the same conference past the next decade.

(this is all thrown out the window if Ann Richards or Bob Bullock rise from the grave)
 
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High Lonesome;1718190; said:
Maybe its just the arrogant texan in me, but all this talk of the Pac10 passing and the big 10 telling texas take it or leave it the next time around seems foolish. While texas (with its own network) becomes a bit less desirable, there will still be plenty of options. We may not have the ability to pick and choose independantly but if this all starts going towards mega confrences Texas is not going to be left out in the cold. Especially if we are still raking in close to 15mm more than the next closest school.
Hmm, yes, maybe it is. :wink2: I think its become rather obvious that neither the PAC-10 or the Big Ten (or anyone else) is going to allow Texas to join their conference as an UNequal and favored participant. What they've done with the Big 12-2 (Texas and minions conference?) can't be repeated with any other conference they join. Yes, the Big Ten and the PAC-10 will both tell them to "take it or leave it" with regards to being an EQUAL member next time around, that seems very obvious.

And where did you get your numbers about Texas raking in "close to 15mm more than the next closest school" from? The numbers announced by the media here in Dallas indicate Texas will be raking in about $25mm per year - that's certainly nowhere near $15mm more than the next closest school.
 
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I will number my questions so it is easier to respond.
High Lonesome;1718216; said:
There is no doubt that there will be some lingering resentment, but in the end its business. I don't believe for a second that this process was handled any differently than any other merger or buy out. All sides were working for their best interest, as they should.
that begs the obvious question of why will the next merger be different? Perhaps next time the opposition won't outbid the next suitors Texas, maybe ESPN won't rescue the conference, their influence and investment in the BCS. But it will make the next courtship even more dicey. Fool me once... fool me twice...

It is one thing to be outbid. It is another to be onboard with terms and then at the 11th hour try to pull a fast one to regain power and a bigger piece of the pie.

1) can Texas' next suitor trust them?
As far as the politics go, I don't know that it will be as big of a deal. I have a couple of thoughts on this.

1.) Rick Perry will no longer be Gov.
2.) It was decided durring this go-round that UT and TAMU do not have to stay together

This process has left many bridges burnt localy and they are seemingly mending them with masking tape. I don't expect either of the states flagships to remain in the same conference past the next decade.
2) how important do you think it is to remain in the same region?

Can Texas realistically leave for the big ten by themselves? You seem to be implying it is possible, but would Texas be ok abandoning the region and simply playing a few ooc rivalries?
Bevovision will be used for Baseball and other sports that have problems getting air time.

As a Texas fan I am pumped about the ability to watch Baseball on a consistant basis. I know that it doesn't sound like a big deal to yall but we take a lot of pride in that team and almost never get to see it till the supers.
was that not an option in the pac 16? I know they don't have a network or a solid foundation for one.

Baseball, softball, gymnastics, hockey, soccer, track all get major air time on our network, and there is a ton of room to add more content. The majority of the post bball content is filler content from regular students and classic replay games... and there is also plenty of room during bball and football season.
Maybe its just the arrogant texan in me, but all this talk of the Pac10 passing and the big 10 telling texas take it or leave it the next time around seems foolish.
the pac ten can't afford to turn down the Texas ratings and time slot, but they are feeling betrayed and probably aren't interested in trying that again.

The big ten is absolutely big enough to tell Texas to take it or leave it. The one change I could foresee is possibly maintaining the Texas network if it is successful. you could run content on both channels, and then Texas' ownership of that network could provide their extra helping of the pie while still splitting the league revenue evenly from that network. Basically Texas could get the chunk of revenue like Fox gets from the BTN, and the rest would go to the league.
While texas (with its own network) becomes a bit less desirable, there will still be plenty of options. We may not have the ability to pick and choose independantly but if this all starts going towards mega confrences Texas is not going to be left out in the cold. Especially if we are still raking in close to 15mm more than the next closest school.
3) if the pac ten is done with you and the big ten won't let Texas play by a different set of rules, who else is there? Is it worth it to be left with only the sec next time around just to maintain that power for a brief big12-2 conference?

with an expansion of Nebraska, Missouri and Rutgers the value of the BTN is projected to double, taking the individual team revenue closer to 35-40 million when including ESPN and CBS contracts.

With notre dame, that number goes even higher... let alone with Texas as well.

There is also the question of whether Texas was worth twenty million to ESPN, or whether that investment was as much about losing the entire west as well as watching their huge BCS revenue and influence be swapped out for another system.

Texas is a juggernaut indeed, but to me, they stand to make a lot more money in the big ten than on their own, particularly as an academic institution.
 
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How does it feel to be Tech? You've been humiliated all over the country as the, "Tech Problem," yet you stand steadfast in support of big brother only to have him decide you're getting cut out of the NU/CU exit money.

Metaphorically, they're like a crack whore who just committed perjury to get their pimp out of trouble only to be rewarded with a crack across the jaw the minute they get into the Cadillac.

slap-bitch-demotivational-poster.jpg
 
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jwinslow;1718236; said:
the pac ten can't afford to turn down the Texas ratings and time slot, but they are feeling betrayed and probably aren't interested in trying that again.

Something that High Lonesome needs to keep in mind is that it only takes a single Pac 10 university to veto an invitation, and Colorado will have that veto power next time around.
 
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ok so here we go

that begs the obvious question of why will the next merger be different?

I am assuming that the next merger will be the big one that creates 4 groups of 16

It is one thing to be outbid. It is another to be onboard with terms and then at the 11th hour try to pull a fast one to regain power and a bigger piece of the pie.

the way i understand it is that this goes both ways. the pac 10 was trying to usser osu out the door as well to make room for Utah. this, along with the fact that they wanted texas to sign over the TV rights was a large reason that texas began to look at the big 12 again. Its business, deals fall through, doesn't keep you from continuing to try and better your brand.

2) how important do you think it is to remain in the same region?
Can Texas realistically leave for the big ten by themselves

very little. If this proved anything its that everyone seemed willing to crap on tradition. if the money is better, Texas is gone. OU was an ooc rivalry for much longer than it has been part of the big 12. atm and texas are almost certainly going to split.

was that not an option in the pac 16?

no it was not and this is one of the 2 main reasons that the deal fell through. The pac ten wanted texas to sign over tv rights so that it could create its own network

3) if the pac ten is done with you and the big ten won't let Texas play by a different set of rules, who else is there?

I am probably wrong about the big 10, but the flirting with the pac 10 has gone on since the days of the SWC and i don't see that stopping. I'm not saying they will give into everyone of Texas requests(re: demands) but to say that they wont be interested i dont buy.


Something that High Lonesome needs to keep in mind is that it only takes a single Pac 10 university to veto an invitation, and Colorado will have that veto power next time around.

actually didn't think about this. might be an issue. I don't know that colorado had too much of an issue with texas other than the baylor issue. I'm sure they don't love us but i don't think that it has reached the point of no return(like it might have with Nebraska)
 
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All I can say to that is...

Whatever.

Nice job ad revisionism. Trying to hold up the Pac 10 for their own network at the last minute isn't what killed the deal. It was that texas became unasy about the deal and how it went down by $3m, etc.

Whatever...UT did their best to kill that conference and if it weren't for Gene Stallings and his big balls to stand up to UT, they would have accomplished their goal.

Chippy boy is just trying to cover and smooth over his image.

Again...Whatever...

BB

Oh8ch;1718061; said:
And here is the "whole truth" from Chip Davis:

Orangebloods.com - How the Big 12 came back to life
 
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BrowardBuck;1718257; said:
All I can say to that is...

Whatever.

Nice job ad revisionism. Trying to hold up the Pac 10 for their own network at the last minute isn't what killed the deal. It was that texas became unasy about the deal and how it went down by $3m, etc.

Whatever...UT did their best to kill that conference and if it weren't for Gene Stallings and his big balls to stand up to UT, they would have accomplished their goal.

Chippy boy is just trying to cover and smooth over his image.

Again...Whatever...

BB


a couple of questions

1.) did stallings do what he did with the thought of riding in as a white knight to save the big 12 from big bad texas or did he really want to be a part of the sec?

2.) Does it really even matter?
 
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HL,
Still in a 4 super conferences it seems like the BevoVision might be a problem in all the remaining leagues except the ACC (I'm assuming Big 10, SEC, Pac 10, and some combination of ACC/Big East). If you and I can guess that there is going to be 4 super conferences shouldn't the University of Texas? If so don't they relize BevoVision is not what the other conferences want?
 
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This morning, Purple Book Cat (PBC) posted that Mizzou has a Big Ten offer but it's contingent on Texas also joining. He later adds that aTm and ND aren't out of the picture yet.

NW.Rivals

I don't think any huge penalty on leaving the Big Ten in the future has recently been agreed to by teams like Mizzou and Kansas, and they'd be nuts to sign something like that. There is the existing Big XII penalty, which I believe is 50% of the revenue split if a 2-year notice is given - that % will be higher for Nebraska in 2010/11 since they only gave 1 year's notice.
 
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Im still confused as to why we're talking about this as a done deal... have the negotiations surrounding TV contracts, and the diligence that ensues, even started? I know parties have, what? verbally? agreed in principal or maybe even exchanged some term sheets, but I don't recall any final contracts being signed for the B12 network(s)... am I missing something?
 
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t_BuckeyeScott;1718266; said:
HL,
Still in a 4 super conferences it seems like the BevoVision might be a problem in all the remaining leagues except the ACC (I'm assuming Big 10, SEC, Pac 10, and some combination of ACC/Big East). If you and I can guess that there is going to be 4 super conferences shouldn't the University of Texas? If so don't they relize BevoVision is not what the other conferences want?


I agree it could/ will still be an issue but I would be willing to bet that texas feels that it would have more of a chance of it being granfathered in. If not then scrap it much like ND will have to do with its NBC deal if/when they join the big 10? At the end of the day, I just don't see Texas sitting on the sideline while the entire CFB landscape heads to a playoff.
 
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