Dryden;1713498; said:
Just to be clear, is this thread now focusing on rumor, conjecture, or speculation?
These are important distinctions.
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Just to be clear, is this thread now focusing on rumor, conjecture, or speculation?
These are important distinctions.
Oh8ch;1713503; said:
I believe all three. As I alluded a few pages back, it's just a Mexican stand-off from a Tarantino film anyway.
Deadline for Mizzou from Big 12 reportedly is June 17 - STLtoday.com
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
If there's one thing that I've learned in all of this, it's to really treasure everything the Big Ten represents, its values and how it conducts itself. When the weakest athletic program in the Big Ten has more stability and security within the conference than a school like Oklahoma or Nebraska, it says something about how the Big Ten does business.
No matter how this expansion ultimately pans out, I think it's vital that this underlying philosophy of how the conference is run is maintained. If that means telling a divisive prima donna like Texas or Notre Dame to go fuck itself, so be it. It'll be the right choice in the long run.
No matter how this expansion ultimately pans out, I think it's vital that this underlying philosophy of how the conference is run is maintained. If that means telling a divisive prima donna like Texas or Notre Dame to go fuck itself, so be it. It'll be the right choice in the long run.
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MissouriFan
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MaliBuckeye;1713477; said:
Forget Branson. The Lake of the Ozarks is only an hour south of Columbia and unless you are a senior citizen it's much more fun.
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SloopyHangOn
WhoO WhoO WhoO!
MissouriFan;1713527; said:
Nobody should ever fly into KC. KCI is one of, if not THE worst airport in the US.
But if you did happen to come in that direction, hit Arthur Bryant's (any of the 4), though the one on Brooklyn is my favorite, take a trip out to the Ozark's (must visit Big Dick's Halfway Inn, great place to grab a pre-tailgate meal. Definitely a party place right off the lakes.), then head up to Columbia.
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ghost of tibor
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This has been linked by a few on twitter. From FEBRUARY. Posted by somebody named LawBuckeye.
The Death of the Big 12 Conference - The Rivalry, Esq.
Having added Penn State in 1990, the Big Ten was now made of universities that, in the view of UT officials, matched UT's profile ? large state schools with strong academic reputations. Berdahl liked the fact that [all eleven] conference members belonged to the American Association of Universities...But after adding Penn State in 1990, Big Ten officials had put a four-year moratorium on expansion. Although admitting interest, Big Ten bosses ultimately rejected UT's overtures.
That left the SEC as a possible relocation target for the Longhorns ? until Berdahl let it be known that UT wasn't interested because of the league's undistinguished academic profile. Only two of 12 schools in the SEC were American Association of Universities members and UT officials saw admissions standards to SEC schools as too lenient. "We were quite interested in raising academic standards," Berdahl says. "And the Southeastern Conference had absolutely no interest in that."
UT was for the taking almost 20 years ago..and the B10 passed?
One scenario Commissioner Dan Beebe doesn't have to worry about -- at least in the immediate future -- is deflecting expansion overtures on two fronts. Despite talking the talk, the Pac 10's unanimous voting structure (requiring the approval of all ten member institutions to move forward) will severely hamper most expansion initiatives. The reason? Stanford. Don't forget that Stanford objected to Texas' academic qualifications when it threw its hat in the ring in the early 90s. If Texas doesn't cut it, neither will Colorado -- or Utah or BYU for that matter.
It sounds from the media that this is no longer the case, but I can't believe Stanford and Cal will simply let garbage like TTech and Baylor into their esteemed conference.
The Death of the Big 12 Conference - The Rivalry, Esq.
Having added Penn State in 1990, the Big Ten was now made of universities that, in the view of UT officials, matched UT's profile ? large state schools with strong academic reputations. Berdahl liked the fact that [all eleven] conference members belonged to the American Association of Universities...But after adding Penn State in 1990, Big Ten officials had put a four-year moratorium on expansion. Although admitting interest, Big Ten bosses ultimately rejected UT's overtures.
That left the SEC as a possible relocation target for the Longhorns ? until Berdahl let it be known that UT wasn't interested because of the league's undistinguished academic profile. Only two of 12 schools in the SEC were American Association of Universities members and UT officials saw admissions standards to SEC schools as too lenient. "We were quite interested in raising academic standards," Berdahl says. "And the Southeastern Conference had absolutely no interest in that."
UT was for the taking almost 20 years ago..and the B10 passed?
One scenario Commissioner Dan Beebe doesn't have to worry about -- at least in the immediate future -- is deflecting expansion overtures on two fronts. Despite talking the talk, the Pac 10's unanimous voting structure (requiring the approval of all ten member institutions to move forward) will severely hamper most expansion initiatives. The reason? Stanford. Don't forget that Stanford objected to Texas' academic qualifications when it threw its hat in the ring in the early 90s. If Texas doesn't cut it, neither will Colorado -- or Utah or BYU for that matter.
It sounds from the media that this is no longer the case, but I can't believe Stanford and Cal will simply let garbage like TTech and Baylor into their esteemed conference.
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ghost of tibor
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How important is becoming a member of the CIC for some of these schools?
I read somewhere that is really helped out PSU
Committee on Institutional Cooperation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I read somewhere that is really helped out PSU
Committee on Institutional Cooperation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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God damn it... I go to Vegas for one freaking long weekend (Thurs-Tuesday) and conference expansion runs amok.
I think it might take a month to sort through all of this shit and catch up. Anyone want to give me the crib notes version?
I think it might take a month to sort through all of this shit and catch up. Anyone want to give me the crib notes version?
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Friday it looked like Boise St would get an offer from the MWC on Monday.
Then Orangebloods broke the story that the Pac-10 was about to offer Texas, aTm, TTech, OKla, OKla St, and Colorado.
It was rumored that the B10 was about to go with a package of Neb, Mizzou, and ND to get to 14, and then later decide if they'd go to 16. For some reason ND was said to be backing Mizzou.
ND's Swarbrick was reported to have met with Big 10 folks in Chicago for 4.5 hours on Sunday.
The Baylor folks and Texas politicos said that Baylor should be in the Pac-10's group of 6 instead of Colorado.
The Big 12 issued a deadline of Friday (6-11) at 5 pm Central time for Nebraska and Mizzou to commit to stay in the Big 12 for several years.
The Pac 10 supposedly gave Commisioner Scott the authority to make an offer to a group of 6 Big 12 schools (whether it's Baylor or Colorado wasn't decided yet). It should be noted that the Pac 10 requires a unamimous vote to accept new members. Speculation about whether Stanford/Cal/UCLA/U-Dub would accept the likes of Baylor, Texas Tech, and Okie State ran rampant.
On Monday the MWC decided to hold off on Boise St, figuring if the Pac-16 happened, they'd be able to get some Big 12 leftovers like Kansas, K St, Colorado/Baylor, and Iowa St.
Delany, who last week said that the Big Ten was months away from a decision, said that the moves of other conferences could move up the Big Ten's timeline.
Baylor's new President, Ken Starr (yes, same guy as in Monica/Bill C) held a press conference to say why Baylor was better than Colorado, even though he'd been on the job less than a week. (edit - credit to Wells for the tag of "the Lonestarr report")
Kansas President asked Nebraska/Mizzou to stay in the Big 12 so Kansas didn't get left out of the big move.
Those are the highlights, not necessarily in chronological order.
Then Orangebloods broke the story that the Pac-10 was about to offer Texas, aTm, TTech, OKla, OKla St, and Colorado.
It was rumored that the B10 was about to go with a package of Neb, Mizzou, and ND to get to 14, and then later decide if they'd go to 16. For some reason ND was said to be backing Mizzou.
ND's Swarbrick was reported to have met with Big 10 folks in Chicago for 4.5 hours on Sunday.
The Baylor folks and Texas politicos said that Baylor should be in the Pac-10's group of 6 instead of Colorado.
The Big 12 issued a deadline of Friday (6-11) at 5 pm Central time for Nebraska and Mizzou to commit to stay in the Big 12 for several years.
The Pac 10 supposedly gave Commisioner Scott the authority to make an offer to a group of 6 Big 12 schools (whether it's Baylor or Colorado wasn't decided yet). It should be noted that the Pac 10 requires a unamimous vote to accept new members. Speculation about whether Stanford/Cal/UCLA/U-Dub would accept the likes of Baylor, Texas Tech, and Okie State ran rampant.
On Monday the MWC decided to hold off on Boise St, figuring if the Pac-16 happened, they'd be able to get some Big 12 leftovers like Kansas, K St, Colorado/Baylor, and Iowa St.
Delany, who last week said that the Big Ten was months away from a decision, said that the moves of other conferences could move up the Big Ten's timeline.
Baylor's new President, Ken Starr (yes, same guy as in Monica/Bill C) held a press conference to say why Baylor was better than Colorado, even though he'd been on the job less than a week. (edit - credit to Wells for the tag of "the Lonestarr report")
Kansas President asked Nebraska/Mizzou to stay in the Big 12 so Kansas didn't get left out of the big move.
Those are the highlights, not necessarily in chronological order.
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
Gov. Culver wants to mold realignment, Iowa State discussion
Entire article: http://www.desmoinesregister.com/ap...ll/article?AID=/20100608/SPORTS0206/100608038
Since the BIG 10 requires a unanimous approval of any new school, do you think Iowa would hold out on approving anybody unless they have a deal to include Iowa State?
If Iowa would try to pull that shit, I'd vote to kick Iowa out and take anyone else, (even Bosie State
).
Entire article: http://www.desmoinesregister.com/ap...ll/article?AID=/20100608/SPORTS0206/100608038
Since the BIG 10 requires a unanimous approval of any new school, do you think Iowa would hold out on approving anybody unless they have a deal to include Iowa State?
If Iowa would try to pull that shit, I'd vote to kick Iowa out and take anyone else, (even Bosie State
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ScriptOhio;1713578; said:nce the BIG 10 requires a unanimous approval of any new school, do you think Iowa would hold out on approving anybody unless they have a deal to include Iowa State?
If Iowa would try to pull that shit, I'd vote to kick Iowa out and take anyone else, (even Bosie State
My understanding is that the Big 10 requires 8 of 11 votes for new members. It's the Pac Ten that needs a unanimous vote.
Yep - Big Ten is 70%.
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Did it require unanimous approval back in the 1970s when the Pac 8 expanded to 10 and added Arizona and Arizona St? Was there a back room deal that allowed those two entry? (Not being rhetorical, I really don't know). In the most recent US News ranking of public institutions, Arizona St was right up there at #60 with the Michigan Technological University and the University of Buffalo - SUNY. And it's not like the northern half of the Pac 8 is comprised of Ivy League colleges either. Washington St and Oregon don't crack the Top 100, while Oregon St is rated at Tier 3.ghost of tibor;1713541; said:
I'm not saying Stanford and Cal (Southern Cal probably fits in here too) will accept any old community college that applies, but it's not as if the current Pac-10 has set the bar really high.
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
BB73;1713581; said:
Well, I guess I screwed that one up.
Hey thanks for the correction.
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
Interesting "Frank the Tank" article:
Double Chess for a Super Death Star ConferenceDouble Chess for a Super Death Star Conference
Here?s the latest chatter from the world of conference realignment:
Multiple sources have told me that Notre Dame, Missouri and Nebraska are all poised to receive invites from the Big Ten. An announcement could come as early as Wednesday, with other projections looking toward before the end of this month. Of course, this scenario has been rumored on message boards over the last day, so whether this is a legitimate deal remains to be seen. With the Big Ten?s past experiences in attempting to invite Notre Dame, nothing can be guaranteed until Jim Delany and Father Jenkins make an announcement together. Note that I stated Father Jenkins, who has to make the ultimate call for the Domers, as opposed to Jack Swarbrick.
There are a few takeaways from this formulation being put out there. At the top, if Missouri gets an invite to the Big Ten, it will have Notre Dame to thank. Without Notre Dame, the Big Ten would not have an interest in breaking up the Big XII and pushing Texas to the Pac-10, so it would likely have only invited one school to the immediate west: Nebraska. Indeed, Teddy Greenstein from the Chicago Tribune put up some analysis focused specifically about the prospect of Nebraska going to the Big Ten and he?s not going to be just engaging in idle speculation at this point in the game. However, if Notre Dame is in the fold, then the Big Ten does not have as much of a need to go after Big East schools (even though it still might) with the heavy Irish fan base in places like the New York area. A lot of the demographic factors that might have tipped the edge toward a school like Syracuse over Missouri without Notre Dame included would now be switched around. At the same time, it allows the Big Ten to make one last massive power play. The most interesting comment that Jim Delany had in his press conference was that this could be a multi-phase expansion for the Big Ten. This sounds a whole lot like attempting to build a Super Death Star Conference. I?ll explain that in a moment.
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Imagine Delany calling up UT president Bill Powers over the next few days:
“Bill, we’ve got 2 spots left reserved for you and the Aggies. With Notre Dame aboard, we’re going to be the most powerful entity in all of sports outside of the NFL with or without you. You can receive around $40 million per year in TV revenue just for showing up and we’re not even getting into the academic benefits of the CIC. Are you going to let some meth-on-the-breath legislators down the street from your campus determine your future and shackle you with a ‘Tech-Baylor-UTEP-UTSA-UTD-Northeast Texas Community College problem’ forever? Maybe you can tell them that the legislature is going to have to figure out a way to make up for the $20 million per year in athletic money that you’re leaving on the table if you don’t get to actually do what’s best for your school, you know, like any other president of a world-class university is empowered to do without thinking about appeasing some overzealous politicians that would rather save a couple of football games in Waco and Lubbock than create the best flagship school possible. Heh, your friends at Missouri and Nebraska are looking to make twice as much TV money as you because they don’t have a ‘Tech problem’. That would suck for you. Let me know. We’ll need to know by June 30th whether we’re going to invade New York and New Jersey instead. Delany out.”
The Big Ten has to be true to its brand – its selling point to Texas is to be the highest class academic and athletic conference top-to-bottom. It can’t and shouldn’t try to get into a fight with the Pac-10 on concessions on the low end. If Texas can’t fend off the legislators or the school actually would rather be part of a provincial Eastern appendage to the Pac-10 or keep the Big XII as opposed to joining the top national conference, then it is what it is. At that point, Jim Delany just has to say, WTF and make his move. Looks like the University of Pittgers.
Entire article: FRANK THE TANK’S SLANT
I always would like to know who those unnamed sources are.
Double Chess for a Super Death Star ConferenceDouble Chess for a Super Death Star Conference
Here?s the latest chatter from the world of conference realignment:
Multiple sources have told me that Notre Dame, Missouri and Nebraska are all poised to receive invites from the Big Ten. An announcement could come as early as Wednesday, with other projections looking toward before the end of this month. Of course, this scenario has been rumored on message boards over the last day, so whether this is a legitimate deal remains to be seen. With the Big Ten?s past experiences in attempting to invite Notre Dame, nothing can be guaranteed until Jim Delany and Father Jenkins make an announcement together. Note that I stated Father Jenkins, who has to make the ultimate call for the Domers, as opposed to Jack Swarbrick.
There are a few takeaways from this formulation being put out there. At the top, if Missouri gets an invite to the Big Ten, it will have Notre Dame to thank. Without Notre Dame, the Big Ten would not have an interest in breaking up the Big XII and pushing Texas to the Pac-10, so it would likely have only invited one school to the immediate west: Nebraska. Indeed, Teddy Greenstein from the Chicago Tribune put up some analysis focused specifically about the prospect of Nebraska going to the Big Ten and he?s not going to be just engaging in idle speculation at this point in the game. However, if Notre Dame is in the fold, then the Big Ten does not have as much of a need to go after Big East schools (even though it still might) with the heavy Irish fan base in places like the New York area. A lot of the demographic factors that might have tipped the edge toward a school like Syracuse over Missouri without Notre Dame included would now be switched around. At the same time, it allows the Big Ten to make one last massive power play. The most interesting comment that Jim Delany had in his press conference was that this could be a multi-phase expansion for the Big Ten. This sounds a whole lot like attempting to build a Super Death Star Conference. I?ll explain that in a moment.
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continued
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Imagine Delany calling up UT president Bill Powers over the next few days:
“Bill, we’ve got 2 spots left reserved for you and the Aggies. With Notre Dame aboard, we’re going to be the most powerful entity in all of sports outside of the NFL with or without you. You can receive around $40 million per year in TV revenue just for showing up and we’re not even getting into the academic benefits of the CIC. Are you going to let some meth-on-the-breath legislators down the street from your campus determine your future and shackle you with a ‘Tech-Baylor-UTEP-UTSA-UTD-Northeast Texas Community College problem’ forever? Maybe you can tell them that the legislature is going to have to figure out a way to make up for the $20 million per year in athletic money that you’re leaving on the table if you don’t get to actually do what’s best for your school, you know, like any other president of a world-class university is empowered to do without thinking about appeasing some overzealous politicians that would rather save a couple of football games in Waco and Lubbock than create the best flagship school possible. Heh, your friends at Missouri and Nebraska are looking to make twice as much TV money as you because they don’t have a ‘Tech problem’. That would suck for you. Let me know. We’ll need to know by June 30th whether we’re going to invade New York and New Jersey instead. Delany out.”
The Big Ten has to be true to its brand – its selling point to Texas is to be the highest class academic and athletic conference top-to-bottom. It can’t and shouldn’t try to get into a fight with the Pac-10 on concessions on the low end. If Texas can’t fend off the legislators or the school actually would rather be part of a provincial Eastern appendage to the Pac-10 or keep the Big XII as opposed to joining the top national conference, then it is what it is. At that point, Jim Delany just has to say, WTF and make his move. Looks like the University of Pittgers.
Entire article: FRANK THE TANK’S SLANT
I always would like to know who those unnamed sources are.
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