Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[Dryden]

I've always had a soft spot in my heart for Missouri after Andy Katzenmoyer murdered Corby Jones on the field.

Because you don't talk about the hit and not post the video ...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzeF2Van5ns]YouTube - Andy Katzenmoyer blasts Corby Jones - Missouri 1997 (WITH AUDIO)[/ame]

 

[ScriptOhio]

Big Ten, Notre Dame Are Talking ... Again

Notre Dame is officially on the clock.

According to sources, the Big Ten officials and Notre Dame officials have entered into talks that could drastically alter the realignment talk which has dominated headlines in recent days. One insider told FanHouse on Tuesday that the two sides are talking about the nation's biggest independent joining one of the most influential conferences to give the Big Ten its desired 12 members.

The source said the talks "could not necessarily" be described as negotiations but said if Notre Dame can be convinced to give up its long standing independence that things could move rather quickly. Another source familiar with the back-and-forth between Notre Dame and the Big Ten over the years believes all of the Big Ten expansion talk which began with commissioner Jim Delany's announcement last December has always been aimed at getting the Irish to join the conference.
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A phone message for Notre Dame athletic director Jack Swarbrick was not returned.
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The key for Notre Dame is deciding if joining the Big Ten is worth giving up the mystique of independence.

Entire article: Big Ten, Notre Dame Are Talking ... Again -- NCAAFB FanHouse

I wonder who the "source" is.

Yeah, right...the "mystique of independence". Anyone know what that is?

 

[MaliBuckeye]

Yeah, right...the "mystique of independence". Anyone know what that is?

Ability to play cupcake schedule, still go to BCS.

 

[cincibuck]

Yeah, right...the "mystique of independence". Anyone know what that is?

Well, they used to call it bullshit, but maybe it's leprechaun droppings.

 

[bigdog3300]

Per Chip Brown, the man who broke the Pac 10 offers, Colorado is set to make a major announcement as early as tomorrow.

Orangebloods.com - Speculation growing Colorado preparing to bolt

 

[OSU_D/]

CU > Mizzou

Why would you want CU over MU?

Missouri
- Larger Population (5,987,580)
Colorado is growing much faster than Missouri. My point of view is what will help us in the next 50-100 years as I'd like to think the Big 10 will endure. Using population growth rates of 1.8% and .5% which comes from Census Bureau estimates, Colorado will have a bigger population in 14 years. Therefor CU is much more valuable for the future than Mizzou.
- Two large media markets
You can have 5 large media markets, what matters is the total population and how much of it you get. There are many Big 10 alums in St Louis and some in KC already getting BTN. Colorado opens us to almost a totally new audience. Plus all the CU alums on the west coast will help get the BTN a better presence out there.
- borders two current Big Ten states and three if you add Nebraska
I don't care. I'd take Maryland (for recruiting and both the DC and Baltimore markets) over either school and it only borders PA.
- Good Football and Basketball programs
They are better right now. But Colorado has a national championship, Mizzou doesn't.
- 71,000 Capacity Football Stadium
Yes, Mizzou's athletic situation right now is better.
- Already has a rivalry with Illinois and Nebraska and would quickly grow one with Iowa
CU's rivalry w/ Nebraska is better in my opinion than yours, but the upper hand goes to Mizzou here too, IMO.

In fact Columbia MO to Columbus OH is 503 miles. Only two miles more than what would be Colorado's closest conference foe.
Yes, you win the proximity debate. EDIT - as ORD points out getting to Denver will often be much easier than getting to Columbia. So this is a wash to me.

Both have enrollments over 30,000 and are AAU members that already do a couple hundred million dollars in research each year.
ARWU World Ranking CU 34 - Mizzou is in the 201-302 tier
ARWU National Ranking CU 27 - Mizzou is in the 101-134 tier
Times Higher Education CU 180 - Mizzou is in the 401-500 tier
USNWR 77 - Mizzou is 102
Mizzou can't touch CU here

Taking Colorado over Missouri makes no sense.
I beg to differ given what is happening to population and with the academic rankings.

Objectively:
Given that Colorado will have a greater population than Missouri in 14 years, its is ranked more highly (and given the criteria for some of the rankings the research they do is much more valueable - esp since the Big 10/CIC puts a great emphasis on research), and would get the Big 10 network a presence all the way to the Rockies and some love on the west coast I want CU much more than I want Mizzou. We will also eventually take an east coast partner or two too, and if I had my way I'd rather have as wide a market as possible.

Subjectively:
CU is more attractive to visit, offers more things for visitors to do and the girls are more attractive! Sorry, not trying to be mean, those are just my personal feelings.

Right now your football program is better, but in my opinion it isn't enough to offset the population (for BTN purposes) and academic points. But don't get me wrong, I don't see CU happening so if Mizzou becomes part of the conference I will root for you to beat all OOC foes. I just prefer CU and schools from the mid-Atlantic / Southeast to Mizzou.

 

[Dryden]

Per Chip Brown, the man who broke the Pac 10 offers, Colorado is set to make a major announcement as early as tomorrow.

Orangebloods.com - Speculation growing Colorado preparing to bolt

Saw this on shaggybevo. Interesting if true, because it would be evidence of the Pac-10 pursuing the same strategy the Big Ten is alleged to be pursuing: Invite everyone but Texas first, then tell the Texas state legislature to suck it, there's no room for your also-rans. Everybody wants a Texas school, but nobody wants four of them.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Why would you want CU over MU?

Missouri
- Larger Population (5,987,580)
- Two large media markets
- borders two current Big Ten states and three if you add Nebraska
- Good Football and Basketball programs
- 71,000 Capacity Football Stadium
- Already has a rivalry with Illinois and Nebraska and would quickly grow one with Iowa

Colorado
- Smaller Population (5,024,748)
- One large media market
- Borders only Nebraska
- Once was a good Football Program, Basketball has always sucked. A few years ago they averaged about 3,000 a game.
- 53,000 Capacity Football Stadium
- Has a rivalry with Nebraska

Also consider CU is isolated out west in the Big 12, they would really be an island in the Big Ten where their two closest conference members would be Nebraska at 501 miles away and Iowa 799 miles away.

MU to Iowa City is 230 miles, to Champaign it's 269 miles, to Lincoln it's 325 miles, to Bloomington it's 342 miles, to West Lafayette it's 363 miles, to Chicago it's 384 miles, to Madison it's 420 miles, to Minneapolis it's 500 miles. In fact Columbia MO to Columbus OH is 503 miles. Only two miles more than what would be Colorado's closest conference foe.

Both have enrollments over 30,000 and are AAU members that already do a couple hundred million dollars in research each year.

Taking Colorado over Missouri makes no sense.

Road trip to CU: Direct flight into Denver with a short drive (or shuttle bus) out to Boulder. Sidetrips available to Aspen etc.

Road trip to Missouri: Fly into St. Louis followed by a two hour drive to Columbia. Sidetrips to....uhhhh....Branson.

FWIW, I want Colorado, Missouri and Nebraska (along with ND and Syracuse).

 

[MaliBuckeye]

Road trip to CU: Direct flight into Denver with a short drive (or shuttle bus) out to Boulder. Sidetrips available to Aspen etc.

Road trip to Missouri: Fly into St. Louis followed by a two hour drive to Columbia. Sidetrips to....uhhhh....Branson.

Option B: for Mizzou- Fly into KC, followed by trip to Arthur Bryant's, followed by two hour case of "The Itis" while someone else drives you to the game.

You can still go to Branson if you want.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Yeah, right...the "mistake of independence". Anyone know what that is?

You just misread it. I fify.

 

[OSU_D/]

Option B: for Mizzou- Fly into KC, followed by trip to Arthur Bryant's, followed by two hour case of "The Itis" while someone else drives you to the game.

You can still go to Branson if you want.

or Gates, or Jack Stack's (Crown Prime Beef Ribs), etc.....

But too much BBQ will put me in a food coma and I'd rather chase girls, drink Fat Tire (yes, I know that is from FtCollins - been there), skiing, mountain climbing, mountain biking, etc while going to CU

 

[Dryden]

Road trip to CU: Direct flight into Denver with a short drive (or shuttle bus) out to Boulder. Sidetrips available to Aspen etc.

Road trip to Missouri: Fly into St. Louis followed by a two hour drive to Columbia. Sidetrips to....uhhhh....Branson.

Which school is more inclined to throw baggies of urine and burn couches? Ties go to the party school.

 

[OSU_D/]

Which school is more inclined to throw baggies of urine and burn couches? Ties go to the party school.

Better party school is a great criterium!

1. Penn State University, State College, Pa.
2. University of Florida, Gainesville, Fla.
3. University of Mississippi, Oxford, Miss.
4. University of Georgia, Athens, Ga.
5. Ohio University, Athens, Ohio
6. West Virginia University, Morgantown, W.Va.
7. University of Texas, Austin, Texas
8. University of Wisconsin, Madison, Wis.
9. Florida State University, Tallahassee, Fla.
10. University of California-Santa Barbara, Santa Barbara, Calif.
11. University of Colorado, Boulder, Colo.
12. University of Iowa, Iowa City, Iowa
13. Union College, Schenectady, N.Y.
14. Indiana University, Bloomington, Ind.
15. DePauw University, Greencastle, Ind.
16. University of Tennessee, Knoxville, Tenn.
17. Sewanee: The University of the South, Sewanee, Tenn.
18. University of North Dakota, Grand Forks, N.D.
19. Tulane University, New Orleans, La.
20. Arizona State University, Tempe, Ariz.

http://www.popcrunch.com/princeton-review-party-school-rankings-2010/

Hmm... I have only been to 11 of these places. I need more trips!

 

[woofermazing]

Adventures of the Big 12: Twelve Angry Men - Bring On The Cats

I guess we were wrong, aTm is the retarded one.

 

[Dryden]

Tom Osborne speaks.

Life in the Red's Blog | Osborne hopes to put issue to bed "before too long"

Osborne hopes to put issue to bed "before too long" Posted by: Brian Christopherson on June 8, 2010 at 7:18PM CST
Nebraska athletic Tom Osborne is speaking tonight on his monthly show on the Husker Sports Network.
He was asked a few questions by Lane Grindle about conference realignment to lead off the show.

"Well, I suppose there's quite a bit I could speculate on," Osborne said. "But as you and I talked about before the show came on, there's a lot of information that we really don't have right now. And hopefully we'll get things put together in the next few days. So anything I would say regarding Nebraska's position or other schools in the Big 12 would be pure speculation at this point. And I don't think that's very helpful. So as much as I know fans don't like it, I think we need to put certain things off limits ... but I think before too long, and I don't know exactly what that time frame is, we'll be able to put this thing to bed because I'm getting tired of it, you're probably getting tired of it, the fans are getting tired of it."

Cont'd ...

According to posts on shaggybevo and tigerboard, CU's meeting tonight was not to approve a move to the Pac-10, it was (1) to discuss the impact of them falling behind the APR in both basketball and football and (2) to discuss the financial implications of moving to the Pac-10. E.g., Whatever the penalty is to leave the Big XII as the first mover, it'd be a drop in the bucket versus waiting and hoping they have a chair when the music stops. Pay the Big XII a severance or hope the Mountain West wants them with all their major revenue sports in the shitter and losing scholarships? Tough decision.

"The CU Board of Regents ended its closed-door meeting Tuesday and Ken McConnellogue, spokesman for the university, said there was no offer on the table from the Pac-10 Conference and that no announcement from the school is on tap."