Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[jwinslow]

Sorry I took an unpopular position,

That's baloney. This wasn't because of your position, it was because of your approach, defiantly refusing to back up your argument. That's a cardinal sin on BP. Folks argue about everything and anything on here, but you better back it up.

You later chose to back up your argument with a link, after sarcastically sneering at others for being too lazy to google what your argument was getting at.

 

[jwinslow]

I said Texas isn't interested.

You should probably let the texas boards know. They didn't get the memo.

There are statments to that effect.

Which have no known value:

1. They aren't being uttered by the decision makers
2. They aren't held accountable for their depiction (which could easily be telling partial truths and failing to volunteer the rest)
3. They could jeopardize the trust & negotiations behind everything (stay b12, go b10, other) if they admit it publically.

Answers about secret negotionations are rarely if ever trustworthy, especially when the current partner is going to be abandoned. That goes for small things like coaches & players leaving for greener pastures, let alone the multi-billion dollar impact that Texas

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

I love my Big 10 alma maters and as a whole I believe our academics and research should make us the choice for Texas and TAMU. But people are thinking about where they would want to go visit rather than the total academic and research packages from the various conference possibilities. ...

This is true of those at shaggybevo who prefer the PAC-10, especially longhorngirl, who glibly posted a picture of LA and one of Columbus and asked which one people would like to visit.

But this view of hers (theirs) misses the point big time. For the games in LA, only 5000 or so UT fans are going to get tickets. Many of those will be UT alums who already live there, and of those who travel at least half will be the same people every year. The point is that of the hundreds of thousands of UT alumni, a very small fraction will ever travel to away games regardless of location. Case in point: BB73 is the only member of BP who I know to have visited all of the Big 10 stadiums. And those of us on BP represent the craziest of the crazy Buckeye fans.

The other side of this though, is the Rose Bowl. If UT were to represent the Big 10 in the Rose Bowl (because the Buckeyes were in the NC game of course) they would send tens of thousands of alumni and fans to SoCal; the vast majority of whom would never have made the trip for a Pac 10 conference game.

Unless you're... you know... going to watch a football game.

Ah yes... then there is that point

 

[cincibuck]

Case in point: BB73 is the only member of BP who I know to have visited all of the Big 10 stadiums. And those of us on BP represent the craziest of the crazy Buckeye fans.

Ergo and therefore BB73 is proven to be the craziest person on BP?

Will this be on the final?

 

[BB73]

This is true of those at shaggybevo who prefer the PAC-10, especially longhorngirl, who glibly posted a picture of LA and one of Columbus and asked which one people would like to visit.

But this view of hers (theirs) misses the point big time. For the games in LA, only 5000 or so UT fans are going to get tickets. Many of those will be UT alums who already live there, and of those who travel at least half will be the same people every year. The point is that of the hundreds of thousands of UT alumni, a very small fraction will ever travel to away games regardless of location. Case in point: BB73 is the only member of BP who I know to have visited all of the Big 10 stadiums. And those of us on BP represent the craziest of the crazy Buckeye fans.

I haven't been to The Bank in the Twin Cities yet. Of course, that will be taken care of when tOSU plays their first game there this fall.

And I may be crazy - but there have to be several other posters that have been to all of the stadiums.

 

[southcampus]

I haven't been to The Bank in the Twin Cities yet. Of course, that will be taken care of when tOSU plays their first game there this fall.

And I may be crazy - but there have to be several other posters that have been to all of the stadiums.

I've never been to all except for Iowa's, Wisky's, and Minny's.

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

iirc, BB73 also holds the distinction of being the only poster on BP who saw a game at Ohio Field.

:p

 

[IronBuckI]

iirc, BB73 also holds the distinction of being the only poster on BP who saw a game at Ohio Field.

:p

It's funny because it's a joke about BB73 being old. :tongue2:

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

I, too, would rather live in or visit Arizona, Southern Cal, Seattle, the front range area (assuming Colorado bolts to the PAC-whatever) and the Bay Area to Bloomington, Champaign, Columbus, State College, Ann Arbor, etc. The amenities in terms of outdoor activities are nicer, the weather is better overall and as a general rule the girls are more attractive.

I grew up out West and now can live anywhere I want. For me it's either Manhattan or Chicago. The West Coast cities don't come close. Remember, if the domers join, that means that 3 Big Ten road trips for fans can be Chicago based.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

I find it interesting that the guy in the comments section pushing UC so far (Randy or whatever his name is) happens to be from Nerk.

It gets even better on the bearkitty board discussing the letter. They've now convinced themselves that the only reason they're not an AAU member is because of an Ohio State orchestrated conspiracy. C-O-N...uhhh...speerassy.

Ohio State keeping Cincinnati out of Big Ten expansion talks?

I like how the one guy believes that the bulk of our research dollars come from the state (it's a tiny, tiny fraction of the $720MM). Most really come from private industry (first or second nationally every year) and the federal government (NIH, Cancer Institute, Defense Dept. etc.). In other words, we're far more likely to compete for research funds with other AAU members including the other (real) UC campus in California than we are with the little commuter school in Cincinnati.

 

[Dryden]

iirc, BB73 also holds the distinction of being the only poster on BP who saw a game at Ohio Field.

:p

Don't even get him started on the 1916 teams' defense and Chic Harley. He won't ever shut up about it.

 

[kn1f3party]

Dirty South for the Big Ten? ? FRANK THE TANK’S SLANT

Frank: Southern takeover could include Virginia, Vanderbilt, Maryland, Texas, and Texas A&M

 

[cincibuck]

It gets even better on the bearkitty board discussing the letter. They've now convinced themselves that the only reason they're not an AAU member is because of an Ohio State orchestrated conspiracy. C-O-N...uhhh...speerassy.

Ohio State keeping Cincinnati out of Big Ten expansion talks?

I like how the one guy believes that the bulk of our research dollars come from the state (it's a tiny, tiny fraction of the $720MM). Most really come from private industry (first or second nationally every year) and the federal government (NIH, Cancer Institute, Defense Dept. etc.). In other words, we're far more likely to compete for research funds with other AAU members including the other (real) UC campus in California than we are with the little commuter school in Cincinnati.

UC suffers from years of being a city-funded school as well as long being a commuter college. They became state funded in the 70s I believe and they've done a great deal to try and lessen the later.

In their defense, they were a pioneer in co-op education for their engineering, business and architecture programs. I don't know where they stand today, but the med school was once second only to Case - Western in the state of Ohio and still lays claim to the creation of the Sabin oral polio vaccine and the Heimlach manuver.

For a significant period of time their engineering, architecture and music programs were ranked well ahead of TOSU. Design, Art, Architecture Program -- DAAP -- is till one of the best in the nation and very difficult to get into. CCM, Cincinnati Conservatory of Music, home of James Levine, long time conductor of the Metropolitan Opera. I believe the late Eric Kunzel, conductor of the Boston and National Pops Orchestras is a grad also.

On the negative side, the school has a history of nepotism, hiring faculty from their own doctoral programs - a real no-no in academic circles. This very practice caused them to fail a Northwest Evaluation in the mid-70s. Until all the home grown tenured profs are gone the stigma will continue to be attached.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

UC suffers from years of being a city-funded school as well as long being a commuter college. They became state funded in the 70s I believe and they've done a great deal to try and lessen the later.

In their defense, they were a pioneer in co-op education for their engineering, business and architecture programs. I don't know where they stand today, but the med school was once second only to Case - Western in the state of Ohio and still lays claim to the creation of the Sabin oral polio vaccine and the Heimlach manuver.

For a significant period of time their engineering, architecture and music programs were ranked well ahead of TOSU. Design, Art, Architecture Program -- DAAP -- is till one of the best in the nation and very difficult to get into. CCM, Cincinnati Conservatory of Music, home of James Levine, long time conductor of the Metropolitan Opera. I believe the late Eric Kunzel, conductor of the Boston and National Pops Orchestras is a grad also.

On the negative side, the school has a history of nepotism, hiring faculty from their own doctoral programs - a real no-no in academic circles. This very practice caused them to fail a Northwest Evaluation in the mid-70s. Until all the home grown tenured profs are gone the stigma will continue to be attached.

Past hyperbole aside, UC is a decent school. It's the only one of the three city univerisities (Cincy, Akron and Toledo) that I think the state system should have saved from bankruptcy and absorbed. The other two (having been located a stone's throw away from existing public universities) were just prime examples of Rhodes' higher education lunacy. UC does serve a purpose in the state system. That purpose, however, is not to be Ohio State's peer.

Regarding DAAP and the Conservatory, they are of a national caliber. Two peripheral programs, however, do not make a Big Ten school. When they rank in the top 30 or 20 in core academic departments like Physics, Chemistry, History, English as well as the main professional colleges (law, medicine, business and engineering), I'll be much more impressed. I do, however, think you're overstating DAAP's admissions standards. I checked the website, and in comparison with Ohio State's overall freshman class, every Ohio State student (excepting a handful of special cases) would have been able to get into DAAP. The most stringent area within DAAP is the architecture program, and about 60% of Ohio State's class would have made the cut there. We're not talking about Shale or Princetone here.

With regards to engineering, I do have to differ. Cincy does have a good engineering college, but I've never heard or read of it being near the level of Ohio State or any other Big Ten university.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

I haven't been to The Bank in the Twin Cities yet. Of course, that will be taken care of when tOSU plays their first game there this fall.

And I may be crazy - but there have to be several other posters that have been to all of the stadiums.

i've been to all the stadiums, i can just never find my ticket once i get there.