Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[DaddyBigBucks]

...With regards to engineering, I do have to differ. Cincy does have a good engineering college, but I've never heard or read of it being near the level of Ohio State or any other Big Ten university.

This.

Engineering is The Big Ten's wheelhouse. tOSU is middle of the pack in The Big Ten, but (last time I checked) #15 in the country in Engineering.

 

[Jaxbuck]

UC...... med school was once second only to Case - Western in the state of Ohio and still lays claim to the creation of .......the Heimlach manuver.

All those years of Thuggins teams choking in the first weekend of the NCAA's, I had this to work with and didn't know it.


Damn what a waste. :(

 

[Zurp]

Ohio State keeping Cincinnati out of Big Ten expansion talks?

Following that link and another and another and so on for a while, you get to this:
The Mailbox: OSU keeping Cincinnati out of Big Ten talks, ex-Bearcat says | BuckeyeXtra

The second or third message is from someone who doesn't want the Big Ten to keep asking Notre Dame. She refers to Notre Dame as the prom queen, and she doesn't want to date the Big Ten.

Boys, she doesn't want to go with you! Leave her alone and move on to another girl. I know you say you don't care, but by pursuing her, you're saying you do care. - Katie Thom, Powell
Katie: Why is everyone smitten with this "prom queen" analogy? I have seen some Notre Dame football in recent years, and that hag hasn't had a date for a while.

Win

 

[cincibuck]

Past hyperbole aside, UC is a decent school. It's the only one of the three city univerisities (Cincy, Akron and Toledo) that I think the state system should have saved from bankruptcy and absorbed. The other two (having been located a stone's throw away from existing public universities) were just prime examples of Rhodes' higher education lunacy. UC does serve a purpose in the state system. That purpose, however, is not to be Ohio State's peer.

I never said otherwise

Regarding DAAP and the Conservatory, they are of a national caliber. Two peripheral programs, however, do not make a Big Ten school. When they rank in the top 30 or 20 in core academic departments like Physics, Chemistry, History, English as well as the main professional colleges (law, medicine, business and engineering), I'll be much more impressed.

So will I --- and it's in those other areas, English, biz, math and intro sciences that they were done in by nepotism.

I do, however, think you're overstating DAAP's admissions standards. I checked the website, and in comparison with Ohio State's overall freshman class, every Ohio State student (excepting a handful of special cases) would have been able to get into DAAP. The most stringent area within DAAP is the architecture program, and about 60% of Ohio State's class would have made the cut there. We're not talking about Shale or Princetone here.

Or Rhode Island School of Design -- DAAP is an excellent program and your stat points that out.

With regards to engineering, I do have to differ. Cincy does have a good engineering college, but I've never heard or read of it being near the level of Ohio State or any other Big Ten university.

Such was not the case in the 50s and 60s. OSU engineering has come a long way since, a fact I acknowledged.

I'm not trying to equate U Cincinnati with Ohio State or the Big 10, but it's not Mississippi State either.

One thing I will ask, when was the last time Ohio State had a basketball player arrested for punching out a police horse? Mongo like police horse.

 

[Jaxbuck]

One thing I will ask, when was the last time Ohio State had a basketball player arrested for punching out a police horse? Mongo like police horse.

For my money the one who beat up, then tied up, and tortured his roommate wins but punching a police horse does have a certain cinematic flair.

 

[Steve19]

...Such was not the case in the 50s and 60s. OSU engineering has come a long way since, a fact I acknowledged.

As you did. I would remind everyone that Edward Orton started the first ceramic engineering course and department at The Ohio State University in 1894 (link). It was smoking hot in the 1960s due to the space race and was one of only three departments worldwide in the 1970s (the other two being in Russia and China).

I'm not sure what the University of Cincinnati pioneered.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

As you did. I would remind everyone that Edward Orton started the first ceramic engineering course and department at The Ohio State University in 1894 (link). It was smoking hot in the 1960s due to the space race and was one of only three departments worldwide in the 1970s (the other two being in Russia and China).

I'm not sure what the University of Cincinnati pioneered.

 

[briegg]

Being an Ohio State Engineering grad and working in Cincinnati in the field, I can attest that UC has a fine undergraduate engineering program, and thier co-op program is the model for many others around the country. The gap is in the graduate and research areas, in which tOSU drastically separates iteself from UC. Not acedemically Big Ten material IMO.

The arts programs (CCM particularly) are world class.

 

[Mike80]

Dirty South for the Big Ten? ? FRANK THE TANK?S SLANT

Frank: Southern takeover could include Virginia, Vanderbilt, Maryland, Texas, and Texas A&M

That's probably about the best combo that I could imagine both academically and athletically.

 

[MaxBuck]

Dirty South for the Big Ten? ? FRANK THE TANK?S SLANT

Frank: Southern takeover could include Virginia, Vanderbilt, Maryland, Texas, and Texas A&M

That's probably about the best combo that I could imagine both academically and athletically.

Trade Maryland for either Nebraska or Duke and you've sold me. Maryland and UVa would seem to draw from the same media demographic - DC area. (Both Nebraska and Duke have tremendous TV appeal, though obviously in different sports. Duke would, obviously, raise the academic bar substantially.)

I understand that in order to get the 'Horns we'll have to take aTm also, and I have no problem with that.

 

[CleveBucks]

'Nothing's off the table' as powers keep eye on expansion

"It's not something we have to think about. It's something we are thinking about," says Texas' DeLoss Dodds.

"If we have our way, we're never going to get caught in a situation where we're not part of something that's really viable nationally. If that's the way the world goes, then we'll go in that world."

At Notre Dame, AD Jack Swarbrick says, "You've got to think about it and evaluate it, and make sure you don't wind up with a different division of college football all of a sudden. DeLoss and I have a similar perspective."

cont...

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

A mildly amusing bit of satire at Bleacher Report

LINK

It has this bit up front, while it is still pretending to be serious.

The Big Ten will grab members of the AAU: Missouri, Kansas, Nebraska, Texas A&M, and Texas. For Texas to join, all of these other schools are required to help keep the Longhorns? division nearby, in the Central Time Zone.

By the end, just for those who haven't caught on by then, it is clearly marked as satire.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Here is a great site...so much so that it probably deserves its own thread in the recruiting forum. It concerns the phenomena of oversigning recruiting classes and then subsequently throwing kids off of scholarship to make room for better athletes. It really shows how the Big Ten does hold itself to a higher standard than the rest of college football and in particular that cesspool to the South.

Oversigning.com

About half way down the page, one finds this very telling quote from the Nebraska Chancellor.

?You don't know that for sure," Perlman said. ?There could be some advantage to joining the Big Ten depending on what the deal is. There could be some disadvantage, too."

Such as?

?They have a different set of recruiting rules than we have," Perlman said, ?which might impact what we're able to do."

http://www.omaha.com/article/20100424/BIGRED/704249814/-1

Another great quote from the site's editors....

Why was Mike D'Andrea not given a medical hardship scholarship so that Ohio State could replace him with a new recruit? Simply put, because that is not how Jim Tressel rolls. He doesn't oversign and he doesn't abuse the medical hardship scholarship thingy. Instead, Mike D'Andrea finished his degree while on a football scholarship and watched the last 33 football games of his college career from the sidelines, with no real hope of ever seeing the field in a meaningful way.

 

[BB73]

Here is a great site...so much so that it probably deserves its own thread in the recruiting forum. It concerns the phenomena of oversigning recruiting classes and then subsequently throwing kids off of scholarship to make room for better athletes. It really shows how the Big Ten does hold itself to a higher standard than the rest of college football and in particular that cesspool to the South.

Oversigning.com

I linked to that in the SEC thread last week.

They had a specific article about Bama that day.

 

[BigJim]

I linked to that in the SEC thread last week.

They had a specific article about Bama that day.

That site seems to get linked in one thread or another about once a month. Maybe it does deserve it's own thread.