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You and I both know that only happened because it was Notre Dame AND it was that era AND that it will never happen again.
EDIT: Mediocre sounded wrong but I had to look it up... it's been too long to remember
The 1956 Notre Dame team was 2-8. Not mediocre at all. They outright sucked.
So yeah... No team that loses 80% of their games will ever again come anywhere near producing a Heisman Trophy winner.
And while we're on the subject... Paul Hornung needs to give Jim Brown his Heisman in exactly the same way that Doug Flutie needs to hand the 1984 Heisman to the rightful winner, Keith Byars.
And to bring this back on topic...
The B1G's best chance for a Heisman this year is probably Oregon's quarterback.
I'll take, "Sentences I never thought I'd type for $1000, Alex"
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Head-to-Head Results, Record Against Common Conference Opponents Top Big Ten Championship Game Tiebreakers
Head-to-head and record against common conference opponents will be the Big Ten's top two tiebreakers for spots in the Big Ten Championship Game.
Head-to-Head Results, Record Against Common Conference Opponents Top Big Ten Championship Game Tiebreakers
Tiebreakers will be more crucial than ever before in determining Big Ten Championship Game participants going forward.
The conference is expanding to 18 teams with the additions of Oregon, UCLA, USC and Washington this season and abandoning the two-division structure it had employed since 2012. There's never been a higher likelihood that two or more teams will be tied for a spot in the Big Ten Championship Game.
On Monday, the Big Ten announced its tiebreaking procedures for the 2024 season just three days before Rutgers opens the season for the conference against Howard.
The head-to-head result between the two tied teams was the obvious first place to go, and that will be the main decider in any tiebreaking scenario. In the case of a two-way tie where the teams did not meet during the regular season, the records of the two tied teams against common conference opponents will be the next tiebreaker.
Should the schools remain tied, there are two more tiebreakers based on performance against and quality of conference opponents, then the team with the highest team rating score metric according to SportSource Analytics. If all else fails, a random draw will be held.
Ties between three or more squads work through a sort of process of elimination. If two or more teams are tied ahead of a given team for a given tiebreaker, that given team is eliminated from contention. Head-to-head record between all teams in the tie is again the top
tiebreaker here, and on down the list it follows similarly to the same procedures of a two-school deadlock.
The full Big Ten tiebreaker procedures are summarized below.
If two teams are tied:
- If two teams are tied for the No. 1 position in the standings, both teams will participate in the championship game and the winner of the game between the two teams shall be the first-place team. If the two teams tied for the No. 1 position did not play, move to step 3 below to determine the first-place team.
- If two teams are tied for the No. 2 position in the standings, the winner of the game between the two tied teams shall be the representative. If the two teams did not play, move to next step in tiebreaker.
- The records of the two tied teams will be compared based on record against all common conference opponents.
- The records of the two tied teams will be compared based on record against common opponents with the best conference record and proceeding through the common conference opponents based on their order of finish within the conference standings.
- The records of the two tied teams will be compared based on the best cumulative conference winning percentage of all conference opponents. In the event of an unbalanced schedule (i.e., less than nine conference games are played), the records of the two tied teams will be compared based on the best cumulative conference winning percentage of all conference opponents, regardless of how many conference opponents each team played.
- The representative will be chosen by the highest ranking by SportSource Analytics (team Rating Score metric) following the regular season.
- Random draw among the tied teams conducted by commissioner or designee.
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Sorry, SC, as a new member of the BigTen, you have to know your place. You can't just stroll in here after one solid win and start shit-talking programs that have been members of this conference for decades. You need to have at least one good year under your belts for that. Except Michigan; you're encouraged to degrade those cunts in every possible way from day one.
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An entirely-too-early reassessment of the Big Ten’s top teams
Two weeks of football is enough to predict the playoffs perfectly, right?
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An entirely-too-early reassessment of the Big Ten’s top teams
Two weeks of football is enough to predict the playoffs perfectly, right?Heading into this year’s college football season, the Big Ten’s pecking order seemed pretty clear-cut. There seemed to be an obvious divide between the top four teams (Ohio State, Oregon, Penn State, and Michigan) and everyone else, though Iowa and USC both earned themselves preseason rankings and the analytical discussions that accompany them.
Football analysts, writers, bloggers, and fans debated the order in which those six teams would finish, but it was never really a question that those would be the teams at the top.
Now, a mere two weeks into the college football season, almost everything we thought we knew about the Big Ten has been blown to smithereens, and conference play hasn’t really even begun in earnest.
Heading into the season, I flip-flopped a bit on the order of finish I expected of the Big Ten’s ranked teams. It was never a question in my mind that Ohio State would win the Big Ten Championship, but I felt pretty strongly they would lose to Oregon during the regular season, leading to an Ohio State-Oregon rematch in the championship game to determine the ultimate winner.
Behind them, I felt Michigan was a better team than Penn State but had a harder schedule, so I ranked Penn State higher while feeling Michigan was still not a team to write off. This Michigan team isn’t the national championship team of just one year ago, with plenty of unknowns, plus no Harbaugh, no Blake Corum, and no real quarterback to speak of. As such, I never felt Michigan would beat the Buckeyes, but I did think the Wolverines would take down Oregon (I actually still think that), forcing a three-way tiebreaker.
It felt like there was a substantial chasm here, a split between the top teams and the second bananas, with teams like Iowa and USC, plus dark horse Rutgers, making nice sleeper hits but ultimately falling outside of my playoff predictions.
Sweet, naive angel that I was. It seems, just two weeks later, that my list was completely wrong (and as I am never wrong, this is difficult for me to admit. Please clap).
So while it is still very early in the season, it seems like a good time to reassess what we thought we knew: Who are the top teams in the Big Ten and where does the chasm fall now that we’ve played some football?
1. Ohio State
I’m sorry I ever doubted them. No Buckeye team in recent memory seems to be having this much fun — with this much talent to boot, and as the season has started to unfold, it’s looking like they are just as good as everyone predicted they’d be. Add to that the fact that in many regards, their competition has kinks to work out (to put it nicely), and it’s clear the Buckeyes are alone at the top here. Now, before we get ahead of ourselves, they have yet to play a conference game or a ranked matchup, and a game like that will tell us how far they can go, but in two weeks of football, they haven’t let a single person on the opposing side even get in the endzone, so dominance isn’t out of the realm of possibility for this team.2. USC
In their first year with the Big Ten and their first season without star quarterback Caleb Williams since he went to the NFL, the Trojans have been a pleasant surprise. No one doubted that they would be good, but without Williams, it was unclear what their ceiling would be. It seems they haven’t skipped a beat. They opened the season with a win over a then-No. 13 LSU team before completely dominating Utah State, 48-0, this past weekend and jumping to No. 11 in the AP Poll. The Trojan defense has looked exceptional, and junior quarterback Miller Moss has taken the reins beautifully, putting up 607 yards, 2 touchdowns, and no interceptions while leading his team to a 2-0 start. They’ll face Michigan this weekend, their next test against a ranked opponent, and all signs point to a 1-2 start for the Wolverines, whose quarterback play hasn’t looked like a matchup for USC’s defense so far this year.3. Penn State
Despite being down at halftime to Bowling Green, in no small part due to one of the worst halves of football in years for Penn State’s defense, the Nittany Lions rallied beautifully in the second half. Do they have some issues they need to regroup on internally? Yeah, absolutely. But isn’t that also what those early games are for? They don’t seem infallible by any means, but they’ve already proven they can dig deep when they need to and rally to get the job done—that’s an intangible quality that can take you far if you let it, and I still think with Drew Allar at quarterback and the arsenal this team has, they can go far. Aside from the Buckeyes, they’re pretty much the only unchanged thing about my rankings after the first two weeks.4. Nebraska
Look, Nebraska hasn’t played anyone yet who really tells us what they will or won’t do this season, but they did look exceptional—particularly on defense—against their old rival Colorado this weekend, and I don’t take rivalry games lightly. People show up to play those games like they’re the Super Bowl. Heck, Quinn Ewers, the quarterback at Texas who is a former Buckeye, showed up to Saturday’s matchup against the Wolverines saying he still holds a personal grudge against the Maize & Blue after his short stint in Columbus. Rivalries fuel people. And Nebraska had all the fuel it needed. Shedeur Sanders, who just a week prior was being discussed among Heisman contenders, got sacked five times, and Matt Rhule’s Huskers accomplished exactly what he wanted them to: Total Dominance. They don’t have a truly tough challenge until they face Rutgers in October, so they could very well be 7-0 by the time they face the Buckeyes later this year. If they keep doing it at this level, they could certainly be in playoff contention by season’s end.5. Oregon
The Oregon team I was worried might beat the Buckeyes in October? Sure, they’ve started 2-0, but barely. Their record is deceptive in that they very nearly lost both games—to two teams out of Idaho (Idaho and Boise State, albeit this is a very good Boise State team). Their narrow wins over teams they should have beaten handily tell us they have quite a few issues they’ll need to figure out, and fast if they want to stay in playoff contention. With two wins that felt more like survival than victory, their offense has looked off-kilter, Dillon Gabriel—who had been among many people’s Heisman top contenders—has been underwhelming,.
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B1G Thoughts: You can blame this on Jim Harbaugh!
Michigan won a national championship, but at what cost? Plus other thoughts from a wild Week 2!
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B1G Thoughts: You can blame this on Jim Harbaugh!
Michigan won a national championship, but at what cost? Plus other thoughts from a wild Week 2!#BlameHarbaugh
#BlameHarbaugh, but also kind of Sherrone Mooore and partially Warde Manuel. In reality, blame everyone at Michigan — including Conor Stallions — for the state of the Wolverine program. You won a national championship, but at what cost?Now, I’m sure there are a lot of Michigan fans who are fine with the cost of winning a title, but I can promise you it did not need to get this bad. After a beatdown from Texas and back-to-back weeks where their defense didn’t look dominant, the offensive line looked bad, and the quarterback looked unplayable, Michigan is at an all-time low. You can have the best defense in the country, but without a complementary offense, it means nothing — just ask Iowa.
This is where this is Harbaugh’s fault. For the last three to four years Harbaugh has openly flirted with the NFL every offseason, leading to lackluster recruiting classes specifically at quarterback and offensive line. One of the best things Michigan did the last few years was identify key portal pieces on the line to go with their seniors. It worked, but now after having essentially their two deep drafted it’s clear the lack of snaps for younger players has created a problem.
The biggest blame that falls on Harbaugh, until the program gets potentially heavy sanctions from the NCAA, is that he left the program late while waiting on the NFL, and during that time he did nothing to support the future of the team. Either Harbaugh knew he was getting an NFL job or he was leaving no matter, what because they did not attempt to build up their roster in the December transfer window, and by the time he was in the NFL and Moore hired his staff it was too late to find good players at key positions.
This is a lost season for Michigan. Their best-case scenario is 8-4, but after Illinois upset Kanas and Northwestern continues to show life under David Braun, those games aren’t the easy wins they were expected to be either. At least they won a national championship, right?
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me
I won’t get fooled again. Oregon is not a national championship contender until proven otherwise. You do not get the benefit of the doubt after going deep into the fourth quarter in back-to-back weeks against Idaho and Boise State.Oregon is going to have nightmares about the state of Idaho — don’t remind them where their potatoes come from. Oregon beat Boise State by pure luck. Two special teams touchdowns in the same game is luck. There’s a reason it’s not a common occurrence, just ask Ohio State, who hasn’t had one in what feels like a decade. It took two plays so unlikely you can’t consistently do them in a video game for Oregon to win, and Boise still could’ve won with better play-calling in the fourth quarter.
Oregon may figure it out. Their whole season is in front of them, but the Oregon we’ve seen for the past two weeks is not a national championship contender, and doesn’t scare any good team in the Big Ten. They have some serious issues to figure out, starting with their offensive line, or this season could turn on them quickly.
After two rough weeks their outlook isn’t any better, as they have to face an angry Oregon State team looking for a win over their rival who left them in college football purgatory. All this before their first nine-game Big Ten conference schedule. Dan Lanning and the Ducks have some work to do if they still want to reach their goals this season.
Penn Stank, anyone?
There’s a common theme in this week’s B1G Thoughts. Outside of Ohio State, the teams expected to contend for the conference title and make a run in the playoffs have looked uninspiring so far this season.After beating West Virginia in Week 1, Penn State was riding high, convincing fans and national media alike that they had a new offense to go with one of the best defenses in the country. That feeling lasted exactly seven days, as Penn State was in a legitimate fight with Bowling Green.
A lot of times when these close games happen we find ourselves saying, “I never thought they were going to lose,” but that is not true for me in this game. If Bowling Green had a better quarterback they absolutely could’ve won this game, but after playing a stellar first half, Connor Bazelak reverted and handed the Nittany Lions two interceptions to seal the game.
I tried to give Penn State the benefit of the doubt, but they have not earned that offensively, and now there may be questions about their defense under Tom Allen’s leadership. It could be worse though... they could be Notre Dame! A clunker isn’t fun, but a win is a win.
Well, that’s a surprise!
Heading into the weekend I can’t imagine many people had watching Michigan State and Maryland high on their list, and yet it turned out to be one of the best games of the weekend.After a tough first game as a Spartan, Aidan Chiles bounced back in a big way, leading Michigan State past Maryland by scoring 10 points in the final four minutes of the game. Chiles still has some room to improve after throwing three interceptions, but Michigan State doesn’t have any expectations this year, so they should view this as a learning experience and hope that he will start to make better decisions with more experience.
It helps when you have a freshman who might just be a stud after wide receiver Nick Marsh had eight receptions for 194 yards and a touchdown. It might be a tough year in East Lansing, but they can find joy if Chiles and Marsh can continue to connect all season.
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Big Ten makes officiating change following controversial onside kick penalty in Gophers' loss to Michigan
The Big Ten Conference announced a change to the officiating process following Saturday's controversial onside kick penalty that allowed Michigan to seal a 27-24 victory over Minnesota.
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Big Ten makes officiating change following controversial onside kick penalty in Gophers' loss to Michigan
The Big Ten Conference announced a change to the officiating process following Saturday's controversial onside kick penalty that allowed Michigan to seal a 27-24 victory over Minnesota.Michigan led 24-3 going into the fourth quarter, but Minnesota scored three touchdowns to pull within 27-24 with 1:37 left. On the next play, the Gophers recovered the onside kick but were flagged for offsides. Linebacker Matt Kingsbury was called for the penalty.
The Gophers re-kicked following the penalty and Michigan recovered, allowing the Wolverines to run out the clock.
During the FOX broadcast of Saturday's game, rules analyst Mike Pereira said he didn't think Kingsbury was offsides. The play was not reviewable and could not be challenged.
The Big Ten later admitted that there was an officiating mistake on the play, saying it was "too tight" to throw a flag in that situation.
The conference also confirmed in a statement that it had received immediate approval for an officiating alignment change on onside kicks. Now, the head line judge and line judge will need to be positioned on the 35-yard line of the kicking team — meaning there will be two views down the line.
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BFD, having another ref on the far side of the field wouldn’t have affected this call, the player that was flagged was fairly close to the line judge who choked and made the bad call.Big Ten makes officiating change following controversial onside kick penalty in Gophers' loss to Michigan
The Big Ten Conference announced a change to the officiating process following Saturday's controversial onside kick penalty that allowed Michigan to seal a 27-24 victory over Minnesota.Big Ten makes officiating change following controversial onside kick penalty in Gophers' loss to Michigan
The Big Ten Conference announced a change to the officiating process following Saturday's controversial onside kick penalty that allowed Michigan to seal a 27-24 victory over Minnesota.
Michigan led 24-3 going into the fourth quarter, but Minnesota scored three touchdowns to pull within 27-24 with 1:37 left. On the next play, the Gophers recovered the onside kick but were flagged for offsides. Linebacker Matt Kingsbury was called for the penalty.
The Gophers re-kicked following the penalty and Michigan recovered, allowing the Wolverines to run out the clock.
During the FOX broadcast of Saturday's game, rules analyst Mike Pereira said he didn't think Kingsbury was offsides. The play was not reviewable and could not be challenged.
The Big Ten later admitted that there was an officiating mistake on the play, saying it was "too tight" to throw a flag in that situation.
The conference also confirmed in a statement that it had received immediate approval for an officiating alignment change on onside kicks. Now, the head line judge and line judge will need to be positioned on the 35-yard line of the kicking team — meaning there will be two views down the line.
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Making it reviewable would make a difference, but I guess they don’t think they can change that in the middle of the season. Which is stupid, if something is wrong, fix it as soon as you can.
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