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Associate HC/DL Coach Larry Johnson Sr. (Official Thread)

This whole schtick wreaks of cope.
We may as well start talking about academic standards and how hard it is to get kids into admissions next.

Except it's not. And sadly academics has even less to do with it.

It's just reality. The kids that want to come to Ohio State will. Those are the kids who you still build your program around. They're going to be paid either way.
 
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Except it's not. And sadly academics has even less to do with it.

It's just reality. The kids that want to come to Ohio State will. Those are the kids who you still build your program around. They're going to be paid either way.

That last sentence hasn't been your take up until just now. The post i responded to was disparaging kids who took money.

... money is now part of the equation whether you like it or not.
We're paying Houston, the one dude LJ landed.
 
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That last sentence hasn't been your take up until just now. The post i responded to was disparaging kids who took money.

... money is now part of the equation whether you like it or not.
We're paying Houston, the one dude LJ landed.
Yeah and I was replying to the assumption that they didn't get anyone which was patently false.

No where did I say they weren't going to get paid either.
 
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I swear some of you think the world is gonna end because OHio State's NIL isn't in a position to shell out $4 million for a 17 year old recruit. It's pathetic.
There is someplace between before NIL and “irrational investing”. The key is finding the sweetspot. Can the ‘collectives’ and the program come up with an “investment” strategy. I refuse to believe a recruit who has committed to a school than takes a better offer has committed a mortal sin.
 
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There is someplace between before NIL and “irrational investing”. The key is finding the sweetspot. Can the ‘collectives’ and the program come up with an “investment” strategy. I refuse to believe a recruit who has committed to a school than takes a better offer has committed a mortal sin.
No - in fact I've clearly said kids need to make the best decision for them.

Those aren't the kids you build a college program around however.

And there are absolutely people in this fanbase who think NIL is going to be the complete downfall of the program.
 
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Ryan Day continues to have faith in Larry Johnson, but future production much match the history

The Buckeyes have to get closer to their production in Johnson's early days in Columbus.

There was a point when Ohio State had the best defensive line room in the country. The Buckeyes recruited some of the best defensive linemen and developed others. The NFL is currently littered with former Scarlet and Gray defensive linemen.

At the heart of Ohio State’s defensive line success was Larry Johnson. After arriving from Penn State in 2014, Johnson continued his success from State College in Columbus. The defensive line was key in helping the Buckeyes win the first College Football Playoff national championship, and the unit was in the top 10 in the country in sacks five of Johnson’s first six years.

Since 2020, however, the defensive line hasn’t been as successful. The Scarlet and Gray haven’t been in the top 30 nationally in sacks in any of the last four seasons. While that is not the only factor in determining defensive line production, it is one key statistic that determines how defensive linemen, especially edge rushers, are judged.
Johnson also consistently put pro-ready defensive linemen in the NFL. From 2016 to 2020, Ohio State had 10 defensive linemen selected, eight of which were in the first three rounds. Between Joey Bosa, Nick Bosa and Chase Young, the Buckeyes had three defensive ends taken in the top three picks in different drafts.

The Scarlet and Gray have had four defensive linemen taken in the last three drafts, none in the first two rounds. This has led to criticism of Johnson and concern among Ohio State fans that he doesn’t have the magic that made him the best defensive line coach in college football for years.

Additionally, Johnson is 72 years old, which gets used against him in recruiting more each passing year. This nearly cost the Buckeyes commit Eddrick Houston, the No. 7 defensive lineman in the 2024 class.

Because of this, Scarlet and Gray head coach Ryan Day faced questions about Johnson’s future on the first day of the early signing period. Day made it clear that Johnson is not retiring, despite rumors circulating that he may do so this offseason.

“It's funny, guys have brought that up over the years in recruiting, but he's young in terms of his approach every day,” Day said. “He's got a lot of energy and he wants to continue to coach. And the guys in the room love him. And so, yeah, he's still got a lot of energy when it comes to coaching, and he still has a passion for coaching. And his wisdom, his experience is the best in the country. And our guys know that and certainly people recognize that in recruiting.”

Houston visited Alabama and Clemson shortly before the early signing period due to concerns about Johnson’s possible retirement. Whether Day’s message about Johnson was intended for Houston, or if Houston heard it, isn’t clear, but it worked. Shortly after Day backed Johnson, he had to interrupt his press conference for a phone call. Later, Day confirmed that the call was with Houston, but only after Ohio State received his signed letter of intent.

Despite what Day said regarding Johnson, Ohio State has signed only two defensive linemen in the 2024 class. Aside from Houston, the Buckeyes’ only defensive line signee is Eric Mensah, the No. 778 overall prospect. The last time the Scarlet and Gray signed only two defensive linemen in a class was in 2007 when they signed Cameron Heyward and Solomon Thomas.

While there is still time to add another defensive lineman or two, and Ohio State very well might, the Buckeyes lost five-star Justin Scott to a flip to Miami in late November. Scott became the latest in recent classes to not commit late in the process or flip his commitment from the Scarlet and Gray. At least some of these recruiting losses have been attributed to Johnson’s age.
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Ryan Day continues to have faith in Larry Johnson, but future production much match the history

The Buckeyes have to get closer to their production in Johnson's early days in Columbus.

There was a point when Ohio State had the best defensive line room in the country. The Buckeyes recruited some of the best defensive linemen and developed others. The NFL is currently littered with former Scarlet and Gray defensive linemen.

At the heart of Ohio State’s defensive line success was Larry Johnson. After arriving from Penn State in 2014, Johnson continued his success from State College in Columbus. The defensive line was key in helping the Buckeyes win the first College Football Playoff national championship, and the unit was in the top 10 in the country in sacks five of Johnson’s first six years.

Since 2020, however, the defensive line hasn’t been as successful. The Scarlet and Gray haven’t been in the top 30 nationally in sacks in any of the last four seasons. While that is not the only factor in determining defensive line production, it is one key statistic that determines how defensive linemen, especially edge rushers, are judged.
Johnson also consistently put pro-ready defensive linemen in the NFL. From 2016 to 2020, Ohio State had 10 defensive linemen selected, eight of which were in the first three rounds. Between Joey Bosa, Nick Bosa and Chase Young, the Buckeyes had three defensive ends taken in the top three picks in different drafts.

The Scarlet and Gray have had four defensive linemen taken in the last three drafts, none in the first two rounds. This has led to criticism of Johnson and concern among Ohio State fans that he doesn’t have the magic that made him the best defensive line coach in college football for years.

Additionally, Johnson is 72 years old, which gets used against him in recruiting more each passing year. This nearly cost the Buckeyes commit Eddrick Houston, the No. 7 defensive lineman in the 2024 class.

Because of this, Scarlet and Gray head coach Ryan Day faced questions about Johnson’s future on the first day of the early signing period. Day made it clear that Johnson is not retiring, despite rumors circulating that he may do so this offseason.

“It's funny, guys have brought that up over the years in recruiting, but he's young in terms of his approach every day,” Day said. “He's got a lot of energy and he wants to continue to coach. And the guys in the room love him. And so, yeah, he's still got a lot of energy when it comes to coaching, and he still has a passion for coaching. And his wisdom, his experience is the best in the country. And our guys know that and certainly people recognize that in recruiting.”

Houston visited Alabama and Clemson shortly before the early signing period due to concerns about Johnson’s possible retirement. Whether Day’s message about Johnson was intended for Houston, or if Houston heard it, isn’t clear, but it worked. Shortly after Day backed Johnson, he had to interrupt his press conference for a phone call. Later, Day confirmed that the call was with Houston, but only after Ohio State received his signed letter of intent.

Despite what Day said regarding Johnson, Ohio State has signed only two defensive linemen in the 2024 class. Aside from Houston, the Buckeyes’ only defensive line signee is Eric Mensah, the No. 778 overall prospect. The last time the Scarlet and Gray signed only two defensive linemen in a class was in 2007 when they signed Cameron Heyward and Solomon Thomas.

While there is still time to add another defensive lineman or two, and Ohio State very well might, the Buckeyes lost five-star Justin Scott to a flip to Miami in late November. Scott became the latest in recent classes to not commit late in the process or flip his commitment from the Scarlet and Gray. At least some of these recruiting losses have been attributed to Johnson’s age.
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Will not happen while he and Knowles mix like oil and water.
 
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