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Armstrong's on the juice?

Alan said:
Lance was the "lebron" of cycling before his bout with cancer......i don't see where it is so hard to believe that following his chemo, that he could live up to his potential as the best young cyclist in the world....
Good point. Consistency is key... you're never going to find a truly even playing ground. Everything from equipment quality to what elevation you train at to whatever else is obviously going to play a role, as will any number of minor inequalities on the day of a competition. When someone can consistently make it to the top, though, you know you've got something special there.
 
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Folanator said:
Oneshot. Shut the FUCK up. You don't have a clue what you are talking about. That story has been around forever, there was a book release last June that had the same BULLSHIT.

The juice does not help what those guys do. It is all about blood doping EPO and the like.

Lance does have an advantage because it is my understanding that because of his cancer he is not able to product red blood cells at the same rate so he can legally take some products that give him added hematocrit levels. This is in his medical book and that is not public knowledge because of privacy laws. All perfectly legal, but he has had an effect from the chemo and it is supposedly dealt with in a fair and above board way.

Don't post here and spout off and regurgitate some ESPN bullshit like some fucking dumass parrot. We don't need your slander of one of the true great american heros. So fuck you and the boat you came in on.
First of all, this thread got extremely militant when no one had any intent of that happening. Regurgitating ESPN bullshit? That doesn't even make any sense. I don't read ESPN and I don't recall regurgitating anything, because you said it yourself, these stories have been around forever.

Now I'm unAmerican for exploring the possiblity that Lance took the juice? Okay I think you need to get your bearings straight.

First of all, Lance is a great guy, I'm sure. He's an inspiration because he worked through his cancer and became a great athlete. Wonderful. This means he never lies, doesnt feel the same pressures as the rest of us to get to the top, and never does anything wrong. Right? After all, the man lived through cancer and is dating sheryll crow for god's sake. And have you SEEN the pictures of him in magazines? The man is damn near Jesus in moral rectitude.

If you think IM a product of the media, take a good look at yourself. What did people like YOU say when Mark McGuire said he took pills? How about Barry Bonds? How about a dozen other athletes that were fuckign ripped apart by the media? I know what you said: Those cheating bastards.

Now that good old Lance Armstrong, the REAL hero, has been accused of taking steroids, and the media is completely on his side, people like you say "FUCK you, shut the FUCK up, fuck fuck fuck, shit shit shit, unamerican unamerican unamerican." Do YOU know Lance Armstrong? Do YOU know his personal assistant? Hm?

So here's what I have to say to you: Your guess is as good as mine, and if you want to call me unamerican for accusing such a great hero of taking steroids, then i'll call you unamerican for defending a steroid user. K?

Haha, unamerican... you dumbass...
 
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I cannot go into all of the reasons why you have no idea what you are talking about. I do not have that much time. But I will give you a couple.

Lance was a great athlete pre cancer. He was a nationally ranked swimmer in his early teens. He beet the TOP pros in Triathlon at 15!!!! He almost beat Mark Allen won the Ironman 7 times at 14! He won the US National Triathlon sprints at 17.
He is the youngest WORLD ROAD RACE BIKE CHAMPION IN HISTORY at 21. PLEASE do not say he got good after cancer it just show how IGNORANT you are about what you are talking about.
Also, if you are the pussy that dinged me and did not sign your name...blow me. If it wasn't you...then blow me anyway comrade.
 
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This guy's going to be 80 years old, and we're still going to read these headlines!

Lance Armstrong hit by doping allegations
By Patrick VignalTue Aug 23, 9:53 AM ET

Seven-times Tour de France winner Lance Armstrong has denied ever taking performance-enhancing drugs following a report in French newspaper L'Equipe that he had used the blood-boosting drug EPO.

Tour de France executive director Jean-Marie Leblanc said he felt let down by Armstrong after L'Equipe alleged the American had taken the banned drug in 1999, the year he first won the world's greatest cycle race.

Armstrong, who recovered from testicular cancer to become the most successful rider in the Tour's history, has been forced to rebut several doping allegations during his career and he repeated on Tuesday that his sporting successes were 'clean'.

"I will simply restate what I have said many times: I have never taken performance-enhancing drugs," the 33-year-old, who retired in July, said in a statement on his personal website.

L'Equipe, saying it had access to laboratory documents, reported on Tuesday that six of Armstrong's urine samples collected on the 1999 Tour de France showed "indisputable" traces of EPO (erythropoietin).

L'Equipe published what it claimed to be a results sheet from the laboratory which appeared to show six figures revealing traces of EPO. The newspaper also published documents from the French cycling federation showing exactly the same figures under Armstrong's name.

The Chatenay-Malabry lab said in a statement that the samples they tested did not have names attached and they could not confirm if any of the samples were Armstrong's.

TEST RESULTS

The lab said all test results had been sent to WADA, the agency in charge of the fight against doping in world sport, on the condition they did not use them to take disciplinary action.

Despite the lack of proof and Armstrong's denials, cycling officials expressed disappointment.

"I remain cautious and slightly circumspect but this is troubling and I feel disappointment inside me, like many sports lovers must do," Leblanc told French radio station RTL

Asked if he felt let down by Armstrong, Leblanc said. "Yes."

International Cycling Union (UCI) president Hein Verbruggen told Reuters: "We have to wait and see if this is true.

"Only then will we be able to ask ourselves whether there should be any legal action and whether this is a further blow for cycling.

"I have to say this is not pleasant but, for the moment, it only involves Lance Armstrong and France."

There were no tests to detect EPO, a drug that increases the level of red blood cells and endurance, in 1999.

However, samples from the 1999 Tour were kept and have been recently retested by the specialist anti-doping laboratory in Chatenay-Malabry outside Paris.

The World Anti-doping Agency (WADA)-accredited lab, which developed the test to detect EPO, started retesting last year samples that had been taken between 1998 and 1999 and frozen. The new tests were part of a scientific research programme.

CANCER FIGHT

A spokesman for WADA said the latest research results from the French laboratory had arrived at the Montreal-based organization on Monday.

He said that like the lab, WADA had no means of matching names to the samples and this could be done only by the French cycling federation, the French sports ministry or the UCI.

Despite being in a class of his own in recent years, Armstrong could never win over French fans or journalists. "LA Confidential," a book on his life containing accusations of doping, was published on the eve of the 2004 Tour.

The leader of the U.S. Postal team, which became the Discovery Channel team this year, he lost a Paris court case in 2004 when his request that the controversial book should include his denial of drug-taking was turned down.

"To all the cynics, I'm sorry for you," Armstrong said after his final Tour triumph in July. "I'm sorry you can't believe in miracles. This is a great sporting event and hard work wins it."

Armstrong said in his statement of denial on Tuesday: "Unfortunately, the witch hunt continues and (L'Equipe's) article is nothing short of tabloid journalism.

"The paper even admits in its own article that the science in question here is faulty and that I have no way to defend myself.

"They state: 'There will therefore be no counter-exam nor regulatory prosecutions, in a strict sense, since (the) defendant's rights cannot be respected."'

The American retired after winning his record seventh Tour de France in July. Before winning his first Tour in 1999, Armstrong won a battle against testicular cancer, undergoing two operations and four bouts of chemotherapy.

Since retiring the Texan has concentrated on supporting the fight against cancer, pressing President Bush to boost spending on research.

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