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Armstrong's on the juice?

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I have not found this posted anywhere this morning... I searched, but did'nt come up with anything.

ESPN.com has this article (in addition to the interviews on SportsCenter):

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/news/story?id=2027015


I hate to sound like a whiny ESPN-hater, but the parallels between this and the airing of Maurice's allegations strike a chord with me. A disgruntles former employee makes allegations against his former employee without any evidence other than "personal knowledge"... interesting, but haven't I heard this song before?
 
You can't compare this to the Clarett allegations. Right now there is an awful lot of headhunting in all professional sports in regards to steroids. First it was just baseball, then track & field, but the allegations are starting to spread to sports like football (Panthers), and cycling. Cycling has had a history of guys doping, so this would be nothing outlandish to accuse one of the premier riders (whether or not it is true, I don't know). I'm hoping that all of these accusations will eventually clean up all sports and completely get rid of steroid use in sports.


From SI...

AUSTIN, Texas (AP) -- A former personal assistant to Lance Armstrong filed court papers Thursday alleging that he discovered a banned substance in the cycling champion's apartment early last year.

Armstrong's attorney, Timothy Herman, called the allegation false and "absurd."

Speculation kept building, meanwhile, that Armstrong would retire later this year after trying to win his seventh straight Tour de France.

"Four more months and it's over ...," he told Gazzetta dello Sport, the Italian newspaper reported Thursday.

"I miss my kids and all the pressure I have on me is taking its toll," he said.

Armstrong has scheduled a press conference in the United States on April 18 before the Tour of Georgia. He signed a two-year contract with his new team sponsor before this season, but the deal requires that he race just one more Tour de France.

"You will all know a little more in two weeks' time," he said after finishing 24th in the Paris-Camembert cycling race this week. "I have to talk to the press and I have to tell them something important.

"The only thing I know for sure is that I will be starting the Tour de France this year. But it could be the last."

Mark Higgins, a spokesman for Capital Sports Entertainment -- which represents Armstrong and runs the Discovery Channel team -- would only say Thursday: "Lance will make an announcement at the press conference that is to be determined."

In Texas, Mike Anderson, who is involved in a legal fight with Armstrong over alleged promises the cyclist made to help Anderson start a bike shop, made the claim about a banned substance in a brief filed in state district court.

Armstrong, who is in Europe, has maintained that he is drug-free. The cancer survivor frequently notes he is one of the most drug-tested athletes in the world.

"We are not going to be blackmailed or pay extortion money to hide something that isn't true," Herman said.

Anderson, who says he had a key to Armstrong's apartment in Girona, Spain, alleges he was cleaning the bathroom in "early 2004" when he found a white box labeled "like any other prescription drug" but that did not have a doctor's prescription attached.

Written on the box was the trademark name "Androstenine, or something very close to this," Anderson said.

"He went to the computer, looked it up on the WADA or USADA Web site(s), and confirmed that what he had found was an androgen, a listed banned substance," Anderson's court brief states, referring to the World Anti-Doping Agency and the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency.

Anderson said he put the box back in the medicine cabinet where he found it. Fearing he would be fired, he said he did not confront Armstrong about it. He said he looked for the box again after Armstrong left Girona to train in the Canary Islands, but didn't find it.

In an interview, Anderson said, "I had a job to do, that's why I kept my mouth shut. I tried for a very long time to give him the benefit of the doubt. I waited for months to even tell my wife."

Anderson said it was the only time he found the alleged substance and that he never saw Armstrong take any steroids or other banned substances.

Anderson also said he and Armstrong had a discussion in 2004 about cyclists who dope and claimed Armstrong told him, "Everyone does it."

Armstrong's attorney, Hal Gillespie, said that conversation took place before Anderson allegedly found the steroid. The lawyer also said he plans to depose Armstrong.

Anderson said he believes Armstrong knew about the alleged discovery because their relationship began to deteriorate almost immediately.

"We were friends, and then overnight, we were treated as very, very low class servants," Anderson said, although he continued to work for him until November.

Herman countered that the two maintained a good relationship for several more months.

Anderson said he was working as a mechanic at a local bike store when he met Armstrong more than four years ago. They became friends, often riding together, and Anderson regularly worked on Armstrong's bikes before becoming his personal assistant in November 2002.

Anderson said he was paid about $3,000 a month for duties that ranged from building bike trails on Armstrong's Hill Country property to doing his grocery shopping in Spain.

Anderson said he was fired in November 2004 after asking for, and getting, a $500-a-month raise. He said Armstrong's representatives offered him a severance package totaling $7,000.

Armstrong and his personal service company, Luke David LLC, sued Anderson about a month later, claiming Anderson demanded Armstrong pay him $500,000, give him a signed Tour de France jersey and future endorsements to help him set up his own bike shop.

Anderson countersued, accusing the cyclist of fraud, breach of contract and causing him severe emotional distress. Anderson says an e-mail Armstrong sent to offer him the job promised the help and should be considered a binding contract.

Anderson said Armstrong also demanded he sign a confidentiality agreement that would have held him liable for up to $1 million in damages.

Thursday's filing came because the court wanted more details in support of Anderson's claim.

Anderson said he reported the steroid claim to bolster his case that he was mistreated by Armstrong.

"I had no desire whatsoever to come out with this stuff," Anderson said. "I sought a settlement and then they sued me. If somebody wants to say I want to get money out of it, they're insulting my intelligence."
 
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Barry Bonds and Marion Jones were tested a million and a half times.

Is it really hard to believe that a man with CANCER, yes a body eating disease, has not gotten a little help from the juice?

Although according to his biography, he has some sort of genetic mutation that allows his cells to consume oxygen like 5 times faster than an average man. So I guess if this is true, then he wouldn't need the juice. But it's still cancer.

His taking steroids is very very believable.
 
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Oneshot said:
Barry Bonds and Marion Jones were tested a million and a half times.

Is it really hard to believe that a man with CANCER, yes a body eating disease, has not gotten a little help from the juice?

Although according to his biography, he has some sort of genetic mutation that allows his cells to consume oxygen like 5 times faster than an average man. So I guess if this is true, then he wouldn't need the juice. But it's still cancer.

His taking steroids is very very believable.

Bonds and Jones combined haven't been tested nearly as often as pro cyclists are tested.

His having cancer has absolutely nothing to do with taking performance-enhancing steroids. I had cancer nearly 14 years ago and didn't need any steroids to recover. Linking cancer recovery and steroid use is ridiculous.
 
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Armstrong has been tested 150 times over the past 6 years.... he is not on the juice. This guy demanded $500,000 from Armstrong after he was fired... when he didn't get his money he resorted to making up this story. His story has changed from his original statements... the guy is a liar.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
His having cancer has absolutely nothing to do with taking performance-enhancing steroids. I had cancer nearly 14 years ago and didn't need any steroids to recover. Linking cancer recovery and steroid use is ridiculous.

My wife is a medical professional and her comment every time she hears one of these allegations against Lance is that she has never met a cancer survivor who would fill his body with any drugs that were not part of the fight against the disease.

I too believe until a negative test pops up he is clean. The guy is a physical freak and I have to believe his mentality when riding is that pain is nothing like his fight against cancer.
 
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Oneshot said:
Is it really hard to believe that a man with CANCER, yes a body eating disease, has not gotten a little help from the juice?
This seems to imply that once a person has cancer, even if he beats it, he'll be left physically weakened for the rest of his life. This isn't true. Cancer isn't so much a body eating disease as a disease of uncontrolled cell growth. If you can kill off the uncontrollably growing cells, it's entirely possible to be as fit and strong afterward as you were prior to the onset of the disease. The point being, the fact that Lance once had cancer does not leave him at a physical disadvantage.
 
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I did not know that you can get back up to full speed after a bout of cancer. But is it likely that even after having fullblown cancer, you can still become a world-class cyclist, let alone the most dominant one in history?

What I'm saying is that cancer does affect the body adversely, and to recover from that cancer AND to get to his level of athleticism is not only tough, but damn near impossible. Thus, steroids could have something to do with it, I think.
 
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Oneshot said:
I did not know that you can get back up to full speed after a bout of cancer. But is it likely that even after having fullblown cancer, you can still become a world-class cyclist, let alone the most dominant one in history?

What I'm saying is that cancer does affect the body adversely, and to recover from that cancer AND to get to his level of athleticism is not only tough, but damn near impossible. Thus, steroids could have something to do with it, I think.
There's insufficient data to impugn the man's character, I think, and even less need to do so based on pure speculation.
 
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Oneshot said:
...is it likely that even after having fullblown cancer, you can still become a world-class cyclist, let alone the most dominant one in history?
Assuming that you had the physical predilections to be a dominant cyclist in the first place (i.e. pre-cancer) then yes, it's entirely plausible to reach that level once the cancer is defeated.

Oneshot said:
What I'm saying is that cancer does affect the body adversely, and to recover from that cancer AND to get to his level of athleticism is not only tough, but damn near impossible. Thus, steroids could have something to do with it, I think.
Obviously cancer adversely affects the body...while you have the cancer growing within you. However, as discussed above, if you can kill off the cancerous cells before they spread throughout your body, you can recover with no long-term adverse effects. For that reason, I would suggest that a successful bout with cancer should not lead to the assumption that subsequent athletic excellence was driven by "the juice".

In my view, the more likely effect that Lance's fight with cancer had on his subsequent career is to give him singlemindedness of purpose and the unremitting drive that is particularly crucial to endurance sports (as someone suggested earlier). This doesn't argue 'roids (or blood doping agents, etc.) one way or the other, I just wouldn't hold cancer as some sort of circumstantial evidence against him.

One other point on this, without getting overly medical: this issue of recovering without long-term adverse effects is somewhat case specific. Obviously, if you beat lung cancer but have to have one of your lungs removed in the process, you're not going to be a world class cyclist. Also, the old school therapeutic regimens (chemo or radiation therapy) were nearly as likely to weaken you as the cancer. In recent years, drugs which are much more effective at attacking cancerous cells with minimal impact on healthy cells have become available - for some cancers. I don't know about the progression of Armstrong's disease when therapy commenced, or what therapy was used, but it obviously was pretty successful.
 
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Oneshot. Shut the FUCK up. You don't have a clue what you are talking about. That story has been around forever, there was a book release last June that had the same BULLSHIT.

The juice does not help what those guys do. It is all about blood doping EPO and the like.

Lance does have an advantage because it is my understanding that because of his cancer he is not able to product red blood cells at the same rate so he can legally take some products that give him added hematocrit levels. This is in his medical book and that is not public knowledge because of privacy laws. All perfectly legal, but he has had an effect from the chemo and it is supposedly dealt with in a fair and above board way.

Don't post here and spout off and regurgitate some ESPN bullshit like some fucking dumass parrot. We don't need your slander of one of the true great american heros. So fuck you and the boat you came in on.
 
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Folanator said:
Oneshot. Shut the FUCK up. You don't have a clue what you are talking about. That story has been around forever, there was a book release last June that had the same BULLSHIT.

The juice does not help what those guys do. It is all about blood doping EPO and the like.

Lance does have an advantage because it is my understanding that because of his cancer he is not able to product red blood cells at the same rate so he can legally take some products that give him added hematocrit levels. This is in his medical book and that is not public knowledge because of privacy laws. All perfectly legal, but he has had an effect from the chemo and it is supposedly dealt with in a fair and above board way.

Don't post here and spout off and regurgitate some ESPN bullshit like some fucking dumass parrot. We don't need your slander of one of the true great american heros. So fuck you and the boat you came in on.

Wow :banger: :banger:
 
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