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Armstrong's on the juice?

Discussion in 'Other OSU and Professional Sports' started by Fungo Squiggly, Apr 1, 2005.

  1. Fungo Squiggly

    Fungo Squiggly Mortal enemy of all things Bucky Yahoo Pickem Champ Former Game Champion '18 Keeper League Champ '18 BPCFFB II Champ

    I have not found this posted anywhere this morning... I searched, but did'nt come up with anything.

    ESPN.com has this article (in addition to the interviews on SportsCenter):

    http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/news/story?id=2027015


    I hate to sound like a whiny ESPN-hater, but the parallels between this and the airing of Maurice's allegations strike a chord with me. A disgruntles former employee makes allegations against his former employee without any evidence other than "personal knowledge"... interesting, but haven't I heard this song before?
     
  2. Steve19

    Steve19 Watching. Always watching. Staff Member

    Sorry, can't comment because I don't visit ESPiN sites, like many others on BP. Try copying the text so that we don't have to visit ESPiN and you might get more reaction.
     
  3. bucknut11

    bucknut11 Defense still wins Championships

    You can't compare this to the Clarett allegations. Right now there is an awful lot of headhunting in all professional sports in regards to steroids. First it was just baseball, then track & field, but the allegations are starting to spread to sports like football (Panthers), and cycling. Cycling has had a history of guys doping, so this would be nothing outlandish to accuse one of the premier riders (whether or not it is true, I don't know). I'm hoping that all of these accusations will eventually clean up all sports and completely get rid of steroid use in sports.


    From SI...

     
  4. strohs

    strohs Go Bucks!

    This guy has been tested a million and a half times.

    Until he tests positive, I wont believe a single word of anyone accusing him.
     
  5. Oneshot

    Oneshot Goes For Three

    Barry Bonds and Marion Jones were tested a million and a half times.

    Is it really hard to believe that a man with CANCER, yes a body eating disease, has not gotten a little help from the juice?

    Although according to his biography, he has some sort of genetic mutation that allows his cells to consume oxygen like 5 times faster than an average man. So I guess if this is true, then he wouldn't need the juice. But it's still cancer.

    His taking steroids is very very believable.
     
  6. MililaniBuckeye

    MililaniBuckeye The satanic soulless freight train that is Ohio St Staff Member Tech Admin

    Bonds and Jones combined haven't been tested nearly as often as pro cyclists are tested.

    His having cancer has absolutely nothing to do with taking performance-enhancing steroids. I had cancer nearly 14 years ago and didn't need any steroids to recover. Linking cancer recovery and steroid use is ridiculous.
     
  7. LoKyBuckeye

    LoKyBuckeye I give up. This board is too hard to understand.

    Armstrong has been tested 150 times over the past 6 years.... he is not on the juice. This guy demanded $500,000 from Armstrong after he was fired... when he didn't get his money he resorted to making up this story. His story has changed from his original statements... the guy is a liar.
     
  8. strohs

    strohs Go Bucks!

    If anything, wouldnt knowing his body is prone to developing cancers cause him to NOT want to have anything to do with seteriods?
     
  9. BuckBackHome

    BuckBackHome Wolverine is largest member of weasel family

    My wife is a medical professional and her comment every time she hears one of these allegations against Lance is that she has never met a cancer survivor who would fill his body with any drugs that were not part of the fight against the disease.

    I too believe until a negative test pops up he is clean. The guy is a physical freak and I have to believe his mentality when riding is that pain is nothing like his fight against cancer.
     
  10. zincfinger

    zincfinger Gert Frobe-approved

    This seems to imply that once a person has cancer, even if he beats it, he'll be left physically weakened for the rest of his life. This isn't true. Cancer isn't so much a body eating disease as a disease of uncontrolled cell growth. If you can kill off the uncontrollably growing cells, it's entirely possible to be as fit and strong afterward as you were prior to the onset of the disease. The point being, the fact that Lance once had cancer does not leave him at a physical disadvantage.
     
  11. Oneshot

    Oneshot Goes For Three

    I did not know that you can get back up to full speed after a bout of cancer. But is it likely that even after having fullblown cancer, you can still become a world-class cyclist, let alone the most dominant one in history?

    What I'm saying is that cancer does affect the body adversely, and to recover from that cancer AND to get to his level of athleticism is not only tough, but damn near impossible. Thus, steroids could have something to do with it, I think.
     
  12. Deety

    Deety Senior

    There's insufficient data to impugn the man's character, I think, and even less need to do so based on pure speculation.
     
  13. zincfinger

    zincfinger Gert Frobe-approved

    Assuming that you had the physical predilections to be a dominant cyclist in the first place (i.e. pre-cancer) then yes, it's entirely plausible to reach that level once the cancer is defeated.

    Obviously cancer adversely affects the body...while you have the cancer growing within you. However, as discussed above, if you can kill off the cancerous cells before they spread throughout your body, you can recover with no long-term adverse effects. For that reason, I would suggest that a successful bout with cancer should not lead to the assumption that subsequent athletic excellence was driven by "the juice".

    In my view, the more likely effect that Lance's fight with cancer had on his subsequent career is to give him singlemindedness of purpose and the unremitting drive that is particularly crucial to endurance sports (as someone suggested earlier). This doesn't argue 'roids (or blood doping agents, etc.) one way or the other, I just wouldn't hold cancer as some sort of circumstantial evidence against him.

    One other point on this, without getting overly medical: this issue of recovering without long-term adverse effects is somewhat case specific. Obviously, if you beat lung cancer but have to have one of your lungs removed in the process, you're not going to be a world class cyclist. Also, the old school therapeutic regimens (chemo or radiation therapy) were nearly as likely to weaken you as the cancer. In recent years, drugs which are much more effective at attacking cancerous cells with minimal impact on healthy cells have become available - for some cancers. I don't know about the progression of Armstrong's disease when therapy commenced, or what therapy was used, but it obviously was pretty successful.
     
    Last edited: Apr 2, 2005
  14. Folanator

    Folanator Brawndo's got electrolytes...

    Oneshot. Shut the FUCK up. You don't have a clue what you are talking about. That story has been around forever, there was a book release last June that had the same BULLSHIT.

    The juice does not help what those guys do. It is all about blood doping EPO and the like.

    Lance does have an advantage because it is my understanding that because of his cancer he is not able to product red blood cells at the same rate so he can legally take some products that give him added hematocrit levels. This is in his medical book and that is not public knowledge because of privacy laws. All perfectly legal, but he has had an effect from the chemo and it is supposedly dealt with in a fair and above board way.

    Don't post here and spout off and regurgitate some ESPN bullshit like some fucking dumass parrot. We don't need your slander of one of the true great american heros. So fuck you and the boat you came in on.
     
  15. strohs

    strohs Go Bucks!

    Wow :banger: :banger:
     

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