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Archie Miller (Former HC Indiana Hoosiers)

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It's shitty timing for us. An almost mirror image reversal of us landing Matta a year or two before IU would have gone after him. That being said, I'm not going to crucify GS over this. I'm not happy about the downward trend in bball, but I also thought the optics of whacking Thad this year would have been pretty shitty too. The last two clowns got us put on probation. Give Thad one more chance. Best case scenario would have been for him to retire for health reasons, and I think that if he has a bad season next year and still tries to stay on, the time will be right to club the baby seal. We're Ohio State with 3-4 million to offer the right coach. Archie Miller was not the end of the world for us.
 
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I just don't get the 'one more year' for Thad talk. Yes - he has been a great coach for us, but we are and have been for some time clearly trending down.

We don't recruit well, at all, in the least. I think I looked at the last 7 to 8 years and we have only had 1 Top 25 kid.....that's about 200 kids and we've landed one.
On top of that, 6 straight years of diminishing wins.....6. Every year, less and less.

How anyone could think next year would be different.....we aren't bringing in any elite change the program talent and we sure as heck haven't developed what we've already had here for years. What player has made 'the leap' lately under this regime??

Lots of folks said the same when Mack Brown was at Texas.....how he's earned his right to call when it's over, how he deserves better, etc. etc. The longer you let a program fall under, the longer it will take to get out of that hole.

Thad was great but factors both within his control (staff) and outside (health) have limited his abilities to lead an elite national program.
 
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I don't know enough about the pool of coaches available to say with 100% certainty but this sure feels like a big miss for the Gene Smith. Like a let's go to a Bowl game after 2011 season and not be able to in 2012 kind of miss.

Thad could have been convinced to decide to retire for health reasons this year just as easily as next, it's just about the money at the end of the day.

There is no big injection of talent on the way and there is a disturbing trend of his teams not getting the most out of the talent they have anyway. You're telling me South Carolina has more natural advantages in basketball program building than Ohio State?

I love Thad for what he has done and for running a clean program but that said, he shouldn't be allowed to walk away under his own terms if that means relegating Ohio State basketball to dead program status.
 
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bigdog3300 said:
I just don't get the 'one more year' for Thad talk. Yes - he has been a great coach for us, but we are and have been for some time clearly trending down.

We don't recruit well, at all, in the least. I think I looked at the last 7 to 8 years and we have only had 1 Top 25 kid.....that's about 200 kids and we've landed one.
On top of that, 6 straight years of diminishing wins.....6. Every year, less and less.

How anyone could think next year would be different.....we aren't bringing in any elite change the program talent and we sure as heck haven't developed what we've already had here for years. What player has made 'the leap' lately under this regime??

Lots of folks said the same when Mack Brown was at Texas.....how he's earned his right to call when it's over, how he deserves better, etc. etc. The longer you let a program fall under, the longer it will take to get out of that hole.

Thad was great but factors both within his control (staff) and outside (health) have limited his abilities to lead an elite national program.
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Texas and Mack Brown are a good comparison. Mack held on 2-3 years too long (at least), and they're still trying to dig out from that mess four years later.
 
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My feelings exactly, the longer you wait, the more you lose, the tougher it is to dig out of the hole and recruit. Why the hell are we getting out recruited by Xavier? Seriously? The thing that troubles me the most though, isn't the lack of recruiting top talent, or even developing the talent you do have, the most egregious foul to me is the lack of damn effort on the floor during games and the overall state of the programs desire to win games. Players do not play hard, and that has gone on now for several years. Players do not look like they even want to play for OSU at times. That is unacceptable. That is on Thad Matta.
 
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NFBuck said:
Texas and Mack Brown are a good comparison. Mack held on 2-3 years too long (at least), and they're still trying to dig out from that mess four years later.
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And that's at a program with so many natural advantages everyone said it'd be back up and running as usual within a year or two. Recruits have short term memories, they aren't the wise old folks like us....a program that is down in the dumps for 3 years might as well have been eternity. We are recruiting 15 year old's who haven't seen OSU be legitimate since what, they were 10?
 
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What is most egregious to me, isn't the recruiting or coaching or lack of effort. It's the AD and boosters not giving a shit to do anything about it.

Does anyone really care whether Thad is fired or leaves on his own? If this program ever gets back to respectability, I don't think anyone will give a damn how the last coach left. If he is fired, it isn't the most undeserved firing in the world...not in this business.
 
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CFPBuckeye said:
What is most egregious to me, isn't the recruiting or coaching or lack of effort. It's the AD and boosters not giving a [Mark May] to do anything about it.

Does anyone really care whether Thad is fired or leaves on his own? If this program ever gets back to respectability, I don't think anyone will give a damn how the last coach left. If he is fired, it isn't the most undeserved firing in the world...not in this business.
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We're a football school. Basketball support is there when they're good, most are fairly indifferent when they're not.
 
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CFPBuckeye said:
What is most egregious to me, isn't the recruiting or coaching or lack of effort. It's the AD and boosters not giving a [Mark May] to do anything about it.

Does anyone really care whether Thad is fired or leaves on his own? If this program ever gets back to respectability, I don't think anyone will give a damn how the last coach left. If he is fired, it isn't the most undeserved firing in the world...not in this business.
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Yeah, the boosters don't matter. Judging by large scale donations to the AD, we don't even really have the type of athletic boosters who would be in a position to make demands. And that's a very, very good thing, in my opinion. I'm not pro or anti Thad at this point. I want to see the program turn around, but I don't see getting rid of him as utterly essential to the future of the AD and university. It's not a Tressel type moment, so I guess I'm 60-40. Give him another year and see what happens. OTOH, if he was fired, I probably wouldn't care all that much either.
 
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This just absolutely blows my mind, my stomach sank when I saw this pop up on the ticker. I pretty much don't have any input beyond what has been said but this is just a colossal fuck up. I am always going to support the team and somehow labored through this season, but I just don't even know how I am going to watch this struggle continue next year. Archie should be in Columbus, end of story.
 
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I don't think Archie Miller is necessarily a home run hire, though he's a very good coach. With the kind of money Gene Smith can throw at Matta's replacement, we can legitimately target guys like Jay Wright, Chris Collins, Frank Martin, Gregg Marshall and Dana Altman. Plus among the up-and-comers, Bryce Drew, Matt Lottich (Vanderbilt) and Larry Krystkowiak.

This is not the end of the world.
 
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MaxBuck said:
I don't think Archie Miller is necessarily a home run hire, though he's a very good coach. With the kind of money Gene Smith can throw at Matta's replacement, we can legitimately target guys like Jay Wright, Chris Collins, Frank Martin, Gregg Marshall and Dana Altman. Plus among the up-and-comers, Bryce Drew, Matt Lottich (Vanderbilt) and Larry Krystkowiak.

This is not the end of the world.
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Meh considering Miller said his Dream Job is OSU... he might leave Indiana for OSU...

and no thanks to the Drews... Wright Aint leaving (he's a made man), Collins not sold. Martin has baggage (NCAA type i blieve). Marshall and Altman are intriguing.
 
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