Anti-trust lawsuit against NCAA

[BigWoof31]

Looking further and further down the road, I wonder how this will effect programs in right to work states.
If a player doesn't want to unionize, should they be forced too?

Furthermore, will NWU only play other programs who support have a unionized work force?

 

[TampaBuckeyes]

Colter on Mike & Mike says it is not about pay to play, but a seat at the table. Medical coverage needs for injuries, graduating players and potentially dollars down the road to help. Not to affect non revenue sports at this time, only intended for football and basketball at this point. Talked a lot about the money being generated. Talked about having to schedule classes around football. Next step is Anti-Trust lawsuit to allow players to negotiate for other items that the NCAA rules keep them from. Argued that getting a scholarship was pay and that is what made them an employee. He believes that the NW players will vote to unionize. He also talked about "working conditions".

Most of those points are valid and need addressed. Of course he says it isn't about pay to play. Of course he throws items such as working conditions and graduation and injury coverage. Those are all important points. If he just said it was pay to play then they get cast in the wrong light and lose all sympathy. This is all a game of words and political posturing. When he starts talking about an anti trust suite and negotiating for more that the ncaa won't let them have is where the truth comes out. There is nothing in the ncaa laws keeping the universities from letting them have a scholarship and graduate if they get injured. Nothing keeping them from the best medical care.

 

[Zurp]

Homer's take on having a job you don't like:



Sorry for the hulu ads all over.

 

[Mike80]

so if getting a schollie is a form of payment, hope he likes what the IRS will do to him.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Holy crap! Majoring in architecture is not the most profitable.


I'm not saying that the NCAA doesn't need to change somethings. A 'full' scholarships should cover the full cost of attendance, not just for football but for everyone. They shouldn't be able to use the kids' names, but they do have a right to make a video game. You could say they exploit their likeness, but that kind of thing happens all over the commercial world (Did anyone get a Wal-Mart feel when watching Wall-E? Wal-mart attempted to sue Disney and it was tossed out). Kids better get used to being exploited when a good chunk of NFL athletes are paying some dope 6 figures to 'watch their finances' and end up broke just the same when they retire/get injured (A claim from Mr Dave Ramsey). Anyhow I'm getting sidetracked, if the NCAA wants to be a true and fair governing body then they should probably be a nonprofit organization. This doesn't mean that they can't pay their emperor a [Mark May] load of money, just something along the lines of all profits going to worthy causes. (the CEOs of organizations such as the United Way and Red Cross typically make over 500k/year). They should also make some changes to help protect these kids.

The NCAA already is a non-profit organization. All "profits" already do go to "worthy causes" To the extent that, say, grants in aid are "worthy" causes.

 

[buckeyebri]

Looking further and further down the road, I wonder how this will effect programs in right to work states.
If a player doesn't want to unionize, should they be forced too?

Furthermore, will NWU only play other programs who support have a unionized work force?

I wonder what this could mean on a number of fronts further down the road for example let's suppose that the NW football players vote to unionize does some of the following occur:

NW revokes all scholarships for players - based on utilizing their scholarship as the basis of pay and removing this as a sticking point
NW abandons their football program
NW maintains their football program without scholarship players
The BIG and/or the NCAA kick NW out if the football program stays intact as a unionized entity

There are so many permutations of where this can go. As Mike has stated the face of the sport and most likely college athletics has now changed...Get ready for the new ride....

 

[OH10]

I wonder what this could mean on a number of fronts further down the road for example let's suppose that the NW football players vote to unionize does some of the following occur:

NW revokes all scholarships for players - based on utilizing their scholarship as the basis of pay and removing this as a sticking point
NW abandons their football program
NW maintains their football program without scholarship players
The BIG and/or the NCAA kick NW out if the football program stays intact as a unionized entity

There are so many permutations of where this can go. As Mike has stated the face of the sport and most likely college athletics has now changed...Get ready for the new ride....

None of those things will happen.

I think too many people are letting fear take over the discussion. The most important thing the union will be able to do is negotiate for better medical care after a career is over. No matter where you stand on paying players (and I'm against it), this is a crucial issue for college athletes. And they should have the right to collectively bargain for better care, insurance, and general worker's compensation.

I do find it incredibly ironic that the first people to defend the bargaining for exorbitant coach and administrator salaries on free market principles would be the first to deny the ability of the players to do the same. But whatever keeps them showing up on Saturday for our entertainment, right?

 

[OH10]

Today's decision was made before the petition was ever filed. We're talking about Chicago, unions, Obama's NLRB, all of those wonderful dues that would be collected from college athletes, and the political contributions those new unions could make in the future.

Oh, that's right, it's about the students.

Yes, Obama's fault. I always forget that he's to blame for anything that happens that I don't like. Thanks for reminding me.

 

[Onebuckfan]

None of those things will happen.

I think too many people are letting fear take over the discussion. The most important thing the union will be able to do is negotiate for better medical care after a career is over. No matter where you stand on paying players (and I'm against it), this is a crucial issue for college athletes. And they should have the right to collectively bargain for better care, insurance, and general worker's compensation.

I do find it incredibly ironic that the first people to defend the bargaining for exorbitant coach and administrator salaries on free market principles would be the first to deny the ability of the players to do the same. But whatever keeps them showing up on Saturday for our entertainment, right?

The people in my town that worked at Butler Buildings and Maytag and Evinrude disagree their Union Jobs are GONE. NW alumni will be rooting for their sister school ..."Bejing Polytech".

 

[OH10]

The people in my town that worked at Butler Buildings and Maytag and Evinrude disagree their Union Jobs are GONE. NW alumni will be rooting for their sister school ..."Bejing Polytech".

Now we're going to analogize college football jobs being shipped overseas? Just gets better and better...

Too many people are making this far more about their opinion on unions in general than on the specific issues at hand. Maybe we ought to move this discussion to the Poli board.

 

[Onebuckfan]

Now we're going to analogize college football jobs being shipped overseas? Just gets better and better...

Too many people are making this far more about their opinion on unions in general than on the specific issues at hand. Maybe we ought to move this discussion to the Poli board.

We already have street agents AAU coaches and others muddling up college sports ..I dont see this helping the athletes as much as lining more peoples pockets. Unions or no unions workers at the bottom of the pyramid.

 

[buckeyebri]

None of those things will happen.

I think too many people are letting fear take over the discussion. The most important thing the union will be able to do is negotiate for better medical care after a career is over. No matter where you stand on paying players (and I'm against it), this is a crucial issue for college athletes. And they should have the right to collectively bargain for better care, insurance, and general worker's compensation.

I do find it incredibly ironic that the first people to defend the bargaining for exorbitant coach and administrator salaries on free market principles would be the first to deny the ability of the players to do the same. But whatever keeps them showing up on Saturday for our entertainment, right?

Personally, I am not afraid of what may occur. I am against pay for play, beyond the scholarship, that the players get. I am open to the discussion on royalties for the use of student likeness and jersey sales and giving the player a cut of that. I have advocated for years that if the intent is there by the Presidents to clean up college football and basketball, then they would look at the concept of "student athlete" and go to an academic merit scholarship. Couple this with minor leagues for football and basketball sponsored by the NFL and NBA for the kids that aren't college worthy or concerned about a degree.

Edit: I do believe that something will happen if the NW players unionize, what I am not sure. The suggestions were hypothetical.

 

[zincfinger]

Colter on Mike & Mike says it is not about pay to play, but a seat at the table.

I'm not sure what this means. "A seat at the table" to negotiate what, if not various forms of economic compensation?

...Medical coverage needs for injuries, graduating players and potentially dollars down the road to help.

This mostly sounds like various forms of economic compensation. And as far as "medical coverage for injuries", has there ever been a case where a football player or basketball player was injured in a team activity and did not receive medical treatment?

 

[OH10]

We already have street agents AAU coaches and others muddling up college sports ..I dont see this helping the athletes as much as lining more peoples pockets. Unions or no unions workers at the bottom of the pyramid.

And we have big-wig boosters trying to line the pockets of recruits daily... since before I was born. Yet college football is still here. And bigger than ever.

But, yes, let's only discuss why we think unions will destroy a sport that has survived all the other bullshit over the years.

 

[Onebuckfan]

And we have big-wig boosters trying to line the pockets of recruits daily... since before I was born. Yet college football is still here. And bigger than ever.

But, yes, let's only discuss why we think unions will destroy a sport that has survived all the other bull[Mark May] over the years.

No one know what it means but Northwestern can hardly be considered Anti Union that I know for sure. I
really dont have a dog in this fight..I am just going to sit back and watch.