Anti-trust lawsuit against NCAA

[TampaBuckeyes]

http://espn.go.com/chicago/college-...n-criticizes-former-qb-kain-colter-union-push

I'm pretty sure one of their starting RBs said something similar last week too. Should be interesting.

Great to hear at least one of these kids has some sense. Surprised at how he worded his comments saying they jumped on the union wagon crying of all their mistreatment before they even tried to talk to the coach or AD.
Maybe I'm wrong but I doubt the majority share Trevor's common sense.

 

[Mike80]

Great to hear at least one of these kids has some sense. Surprised at how he worded his comments saying they jumped on the union wagon crying of all their mistreatment before they even tried to talk to the coach or AD.
Maybe I'm wrong but I doubt the majority share Trevor's common sense.

I don't know man - Northwestern isn't your typical school. A lot of these guys (although they are athletes) are on another level from your run of the mill college athlete. I'm sure whatever they choose will much more well-reasoned than what we'd get at Cryami or scUM or fUCLA....

 

[zincfinger]

Why should players be paid for appearing in something like that? Should you or I get paid for appearing in the phonebook?

No, because the association between my name and my telephone number is public domain data which I have neither copyright nor trademark claim to. If, on the other hand, the publisher of the phone book sold phonebooks to consumers and realized, contrary to reality, that including a bunch of pictures of me would increase phone book sales, or increase advertising sales then yes, I'd feel entitled to being paid for the use of those pictures. Which situation is more analogous than yours to the program guide or gameday magazine situation. Bear in mind, I don't really think players should be compensated for their being marketed on gameday magazines or jerseys, in part because I suspect they sign those rights away when they sign with the program. But I think the gameday magazine situation, for at least two reasons, is much more analogous to the jersey situation than it is to the listing of names and phone numbers in a phonebook situation.

 

[Jaxbuck]

More well reasoned or more self absorbed, entitled whiney bitch-ish.

Whichever.

I still can't get past the feeling these kids are Johnny Fontaine sitting on the edge of the desk crying about not getting the part in the movie.

 

[brandonTHEbuck]

I dont even know if I have the time to sit here and really write everything that I think about this whole situation. Should College players get more than what they get? Maybe. I say maybe because I honestly want say no but I could be swayed. Do I think they should get 'paid'. Absolutely not, and there are a ton of reasons why.

Student athletes are afforded alot of things regular people and students never get. They get a legit shot at an A plus education, and they get a chance to live a dream, and pay nothing for two things that are invaluable.

People will go back and fourth about the education part of it. It doesnt matter if a player's only intention in life is to play football - given what we know about sports injury's, pro bust, etc. only a fool wouldn't take a chance at a backup plan. This is something kids play 30k plus for, and they dont get to play sports on TV.

Players are also given the chance to become Pro's. Without college football I'd be willing to bet less than 1% of the freshman enrolled for next year would be able to make it to pro level ball on there own. Think about the coaching they get, the training, the facilities. They get training that athletes pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to get. They'll take a skinny wideout and turn him into randy moss if he's got the work ethic - which is what it takes to be a pro. Where would any of these kids be without all of this training? Yeah, im sure D-league system would work wonders for these guys. Coaches at the pro level aren't going to teach young kids like college coaches will. These kids are afforded all the tools needed to become a pro at the highest level. All of this crap cost money. I dont know if I've ever seen a highschool kid that could graduate and walk into the NFL.

Who decides who gets paid what? What about the guy's riding the bench? Do they get a cut? Is there ANY WAY that this could be done in a fair way? What does the kicker get if he wins the national titles with his foot? Can of worms people, can of worms.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

I dont even know if I have the time to sit here and really write everything that I think about this whole situation. Should College players get more than what they get? Maybe. I say maybe because I honestly want say no but I could be swayed. Do I think they should get 'paid'. Absolutely not, and there are a ton of reasons why.

Student athletes are afforded alot of things regular people and students never get. They get a legit shot at an A plus education, and they get a chance to live a dream, and pay nothing for two things that are invaluable.

People will go back and fourth about the education part of it. It doesnt matter if a player's only intention in life is to play football - given what we know about sports injury's, pro bust, etc. only a fool wouldn't take a chance at a backup plan. This is something kids play 30k plus for, and they dont get to play sports on TV.

Players are also given the chance to become Pro's. Without college football I'd be willing to bet less than 1% of the freshman enrolled for next year would be able to make it to pro level ball on there own. Think about the coaching they get, the training, the facilities. They get training that athletes pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to get. They'll take a skinny wideout and turn him into randy moss if he's got the work ethic - which is what it takes to be a pro. Where would any of these kids be without all of this training? Yeah, im sure D-league system would work wonders for these guys. Coaches at the pro level aren't going to teach young kids like college coaches will. These kids are afforded all the tools needed to become a pro at the highest level. All of this crap cost money. I dont know if I've ever seen a highschool kid that could graduate and walk into the NFL.

Who decides who gets paid what? What about the guy's riding the bench? Do they get a cut? Is there ANY WAY that this could be done in a fair way? What does the kicker get if he wins the national titles with his foot? Can of worms people, can of worms.

And college football is full of such fools who have no desire to be anywhere near a college campus other than that under the conditions of the current system they're funneled onto one in order to prepare for their shot at the nfl. Should I remind you of an infamous tweet from one of our own?

 

[TampaBuckeyes]

These kids are afforded all the tools needed to become a pro at the highest level. All of this crap cost money. I dont know if I've ever seen a highschool kid that could graduate and walk into the NFL.

This is the key point. The NFL doesn't have the 3 year rule to make colleges money. They have it because it takes 3 years for over 99% of high school kids to get NFL ready. The kids that want it are getting the training to get there. Universities have spent billions of dollars on this. Personally I don't watch buckeye football for Braxton or Hyde I watch it because it is Ohio State. 14-0 or 0-14. Ohio State, Texas, USC, LSU are the names that make the money. Those are the names that built the fan bases who's ratings make the money. If all the star players go to a D league it will take decades for them to build a fan base, and all of those schools I mentioned before won't miss a beat. The D leagues will never have the type on fan bases as the universities. The universities spent centuries dumping money into their teams building the fan bases. They aren't making the schools tons of money, the schools century long investment is making them money. Those kids are getting the benefit of that investment for nothing and getting the best training available for nothing but hard work. I think those kids are getting a steal. And they aren't busting their asses to make the school money. They are doing it because they want to get good enough to be an NFL employee.

 

[BUCKYLE]

I hear ya, but while tOSU has invested in football, without the Chic's and Archie's, it just wouldn't be what it is today. I'd imagine tOSU has invested as much or more in Men's and Women's hoops as any of the "blue bloods" without achieving a similar level of success as those schools due to not having those program defining athletes or coaches, among other factors.

 

[Mike80]

More well reasoned or more self absorbed, entitled whiney bitch-ish.

Whichever.

I still can't get past the feeling these kids are Johnny Fontaine sitting on the edge of the desk crying about not getting the part in the movie.

I don't disagree, especially about the whiny bitch-ish part of it.

These kids do get the gift of a free education that is there for the taking for playing a fucking game and are trying to ruin it for spending cash. I almost hope they succeed so they get to see what they fucked up.

 

[BUCKYLE]

If it were ok for college athletes to get a free tatt or a pizza for signing an autograph, I'd probably agree with you. It's just hard for me to ignore the hypocrisy. It's ok for a bowl sponsor to give you a gift bag with an xbox one but don't you dare try to get a free tshirt or we'll strip your eligibility.

 

[Mike80]

If it were ok for college athletes to get a free tatt or a pizza for signing an autograph, I'd probably agree with you. It's just hard for me to ignore the hypocrisy. It's ok for a bowl sponsor to give you a gift bag with an xbox one but don't you dare try to get a free tshirt or we'll strip your eligibility.

I have a problem with the bowls giving out the bags of free crap too FWIW. I think it's inequitable.

I'm all on board for them getting proper medical care and all that for injuries sustained. I wish the NCAA would re-emphasize standards and return the focus to the classrooms instead of the Saturday cathedrals. And that coverage needs to extend to everyone - non-revenue sports as well.

However, I think some of the stuff (i.e. what Napier said about starving) is utter horseshit too.

 

[Dryden]

I'm all on board for them getting proper medical care and all that for injuries sustained.

Don't know if colleges want to go down this rabbit hole. Who foots the bill when the kid that missed part of his junior year of high school after a concussion suffers another concussion as a freshman on kick coverage? If he's a vegetable by the time he turns 40 is it the NCAA's responsibility to pay for his care, or perhaps shouldn't that fall on his immediate family who encouraged him to keep playing football even after he 'probably' had an untreated concussion or four as a kid?

 

[Mike80]

Don't know if colleges want to go down this rabbit hole. Who foots the bill when the kid that missed part of his junior year of high school after a concussion suffers another concussion as a freshman on kick coverage? If he's a vegetable by the time he turns 40 is it the NCAA's responsibility to pay for his care, or perhaps shouldn't that fall on his immediate family who encouraged him to keep playing football even after he 'probably' had an untreated concussion or four as a kid?

I'm sure there is some sorta legalese to throw in there about known or possibly sustained without knowing....and pre-existing conditions and whatnot.

But for sure anything that is sustained throughout the 4 years in school - and maybe there's a statute of limitations built into it or something. Dunno.

 

[TampaBuckeyes]

Don't know if colleges want to go down this rabbit hole. Who foots the bill when the kid that missed part of his junior year of high school after a concussion suffers another concussion as a freshman on kick coverage? If he's a vegetable by the time he turns 40 is it the NCAA's responsibility to pay for his care, or perhaps shouldn't that fall on his immediate family who encouraged him to keep playing football even after he 'probably' had an untreated concussion or four as a kid?

You might see kids that had a few concussions in high school get passed over by colleges because they don't want to flip the future bill. Now they just lost all shots at making it to the nfl.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Who the hell in any union (public or private sector) is guaranteed health care for life after only four (or possibly fewer) years on the job?