Anti-trust lawsuit against NCAA

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

you forgot to add, "bitch..."

I didn't want to sound angry ;P

 

[greyscarlet]

Ok st and Boone Pickens love this Model..

As would Phil Knight and the Ducks. I'd rather see the money come from wealthy individuals as opposed to the universities. If those wealthy individuals prefer to donate to athletics over academics it is their choice although a poor one.

At the end of the day It would be fun to see the small paying power of the SEC erode there programs, maybe they would focus a bit more on academics.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

...SEC... maybe they would focus a bit more on academics.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Was listening to some talk about this on the radio yesterday.... or.. maybe it was Tuesday... in any case, I cannot understand how so many people seem to get sucked into this idea that an athlete has some kind of "right" to a career as an athlete. They don't. They have a right, I suppose, to pursue such a career - but that's quite a different discussion, in my view. The professional leagues, in my view, are certainly allowed to set minimum requirements for employment. If the NFL says "All applicants must be 3 years out of high school" so fucking be it. A kid who is good at basketball doesn't get to be an NBA player simply because he thinks he's entitled to it. And, I suppose that's part of what bother me about this generation of athlete - entitlement.

Then there's the whole "Well, it's the players labors which are making millions for their institutions (usually conflated with the NCAA)" bull[Mark May]. When I was in school, I had a job making a meager pay while the corporate big wigs of my employer(s) were yachting it up in the Caribbean. So FUCKING WHAT. Other people making money on our labors? BIG FUCKING SURPRISE! Grow the fuck up, eat your free meal, enjoy state of the art facilities and your opportunity for a free education - with a chance to hit a fucking jackpot job that most people can never even come close to - and shut your goddamned mouths.

The difference is that a kid coming out of high school, under current law, doesn't have a right to pursue such a career, whether they're a delusional kid completely out of his element or the next Lebron/Kobe. Instead, they--through collusion (and imo, illegal restraint of trade) between the leagues, their player unions and the ncaa--are forced to go off and attend college for one to three years before being given a chance to pursue that career.

The latter paragraph I agree with.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

The difference is that a kid coming out of high school, under current law, doesn't have a right to pursue such a career, whether they're a delusional kid completely out of his element or the next Lebron/Kobe. Instead, they--through collusion (and imo, illegal restraint of trade) between the leagues, their player unions and the ncaa--are forced to go off and attend college for one to three years before being given a chance to pursue that career.

The latter paragraph I agree with.

I disagree. He does have the right to pursue the career. It doesn't mean he has to go to college, per se, but he is welcome to do so. The minimum requirement, however, is that the player is 3 years removed from HS. To me this makes sense in terms of physical development in a violent sport.

All that said, I would once again encourage schools to consider making "professional athlete" a major. Again, I don't know the specific classes one would be required to take, but things like public speaking, business, negotiation, and the like seem applicable. It's, in my view, better than pretending to be a "real" student to the extent a kid can't even read.

 

[jwinslow]

I disagree. He does have the right to pursue the career. It doesn't mean he has to go to college, per se, but he is welcome to do so. The minimum requirement, however, is that the player is 3 years removed from HS. To me this makes sense in terms of physical development in a violent sport.

and he'll either go undrafted or taken late and wash out of the league among highly trained men.

It's rare for a freshman to be a quality college player, let alone asking that same overwhelmed player to stop playing for three years and see if it works out well in an NFL training camp. He isn't sniffing the combine and who is going to come to his pro day?

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

and he'll either go undrafted or taken late and wash out of the league among highly trained men.

It's rare for a freshman to be a quality college player, let alone asking that same overwhelmed player to stop playing for three years and see if it works out well in an NFL training camp. He isn't sniffing the combine and who is going to come to his pro day?

Such is life. No one assured me I'd make a living picking my major. How the hell is that anyone's problem but the kid's own?

Edit: Upon a re-read, I think I may have misunderstood you. You're talking about a kid who chooses not to go to school. I would simply say we all have choices to make. I didn't get to walk into Jones Day out of High School and demand to be made partner. I have little sympathy for not "playing the game" as it were

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Too be clear, my idea of having "Professional athlete" as a major doesn't mean that you HAVE to major in that. Just that you MAY. Other classes might include physical education, and..yes... kinesiology as well as things like diet and the like.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

I disagree. He does have the right to pursue the career. It doesn't mean he has to go to college, per se, but he is welcome to do so. The minimum requirement, however, is that the player is 3 years removed from HS. To me this makes sense in terms of physical development in a violent sport.

All that said, I would once again encourage schools to consider making "professional athlete" a major. Again, I don't know the specific classes one would be required to take, but things like public speaking, business, negotiation, and the like seem applicable. It's, in my view, better than pretending to be a "real" student to the extent a kid can't even read.

And do you agree to the idea that those "professional athlete" majors thread the same admissions needle as all of the history, electrical engineering and finance majors? I might agree with that.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

And do you agree to the idea that those "professional athlete" majors thread the same admissions needle as all of the history, electrical engineering and finance majors? I might agree with that.

Well, that I'm not so sure about. I mean, there do have to be minimum requirements, but I don't take the academic side of this issue as important as you do. That's not to say I'm right and you're wrong, we just have different points of emphasis on that. In fact, frankly, I pretty much think of you as the "go to guy" when it comes to the academic side of things and I respect your input on that area very much. But, that said, it's also undeniable that football and basketball (to a lesser extent at Ohio State) do provide the University with revenue (including alumni donations). So, in that regard, I can see letting in a kid who basically has "one shot" at "pro athlete" getting into the school to do just that, even though he's not likely to be academically competitive with the general student population. Again, though, I do agree there has to be some level of a minimum requirement. I don't know what the floor is, but I do acknowledge there has to be one.

 

[TampaBuckeyes]

Disagree with the last sentence. The schools with the most distorted priorities and shallowest donor/alumni bases win. You honestly think the SEC! schools wouldn't gut their academic budgets in order to outbid the BIG and PAC schools?

SEC schools would likely attempt to gut the academic budgets, but they don't have nearly the budget that PAC ACC B12 and B1G schools have. They would have to drop a lot more to get the same result.
Though I was actually going with the wealthiest doner/alums. I imagine that the entire living alumni base of ttun grads have more wealth than the entire state of Kentucky, heck throw the UK grads in with them and I still don't think they'd win. I bet you could also throw the states of Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi and Arkansas in their. There goes half the conference.

 

[BUCKYLE]

Serious question. Would say, a physics prodigy have to meet the same requirements as a regular student?

 

[Zurp]

Does the CFL have a rule similar to the NFL's "3-year" rule? I seem to remember that Maurice Clarret was drafted by a team in the CFL after only 1 or 2 years of college. I think it was only 1 year, because I seem to remember that he hadn't actually left or sold out Ohio State, yet.

If that's the case, why doesn't a player out of high school use the CFL to basically get paid while training to play in the NFL? Is there a rule against it? I understand that college gives a player much more media coverage than the CFL does, and maybe that's the answer. But I'd imagine that a highly-recruited player out of high school can make headlines choosing to go to the CFL instead of college. And, if he does well in the CFL, when he becomes a free agent and wants to move up to the NFL, he'd be in good shape to do that.

Maybe I'm not giving enough credit to the level of talent in the CFL. Having never watched more than a few plays of a game, I can't say whether the jump from high school to CFL is too high.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

SEC schools would likely attempt to gut the academic budgets, but they don't have nearly the budget that PAC ACC B12 and B1G schools have. They would have to drop a lot more to get the same result.
Though I was actually going with the wealthiest doner/alums. I imagine that the entire living alumni base of ttun grads have more wealth than the entire state of Kentucky, heck throw the UK grads in with them and I still don't think they'd win. I bet you could also throw the states of Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi and Arkansas in their. There goes half the conference.

But what percentage of them primarily care about football or basketball. Hell, look at our own situation. In an average year, and lacking any major individual athletic donations, athletic donations to Ohio State are somewhere between 6 and 8 percent of total donations and are built overwhelmingly on a foundation of $1500 Buckeye Club donations.

Over the last ten years, I've lost track of how many 8-figure donations the university receives, and multiple such donations in almost every year. They don't even make the Dispatch anymore unless they're above the $25MM mark. For instance, did anyone here even register Bill Lowrey's (former AMOCO President) $17MM donation to the Chemical Engineering department? Contrast that with the athletic department which received the very first such donation in its history last year, and then only for $10MM exactly. Can anyone name a single major donor to the athletic department? I can't. The last one that I can think of is Alex Schoenbaum, and John Cooper killed him over a decade ago.

Now contrast all that with Auburn where the entire BoT is made up of big time football boosters.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Serious question. Would say, a physics prodigy have to meet the same requirements as a regular student?

I'm guessing the physics prodigy exceeds the average requirements of an Ohio State freshman. The music prodigy is the analogy that usually gets tossed around to justify special admissions for athletes. I would argue that young cellist might get some kind of an admissions bump. I would also argue that she's not coming into Ohio State with a 750 on her SAT and a fourth grade reading level.

I'm not naive enough to think that Ohio State can run a football program with the same admissions standards as the general student body, but I think it's gotten out of hand (everywhere) when kids with fourth grade reading levels are being brought onto campus because their is no minor league for them to pursue their one talent and collusion between the leagues, players' unions and colleges to funnel them onto college campuses.