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kujirakira said:
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Sorry for pointing out your inconsistency.
- You guys didn't have that many kids drafted high to claim it as an excuse
- Leadership or not wouldn't have done anything about Cardale trucking Bama players all night long
- Leadership wouldn't have done anything about the over-reliance on Cooper
- Leadership wouldn't have done anything about your suspect secondary
- Leadership wouldn't have done anything about your inability to stop our OLine and Eze.


It's pretty funny you suggested they not admit actual problems... and instead focus on intangible excuses for which nobody can lay a finger on how it actually effected the game.
- Admitting your secondary was suspect would be an actual problem ... but that's the one thing you advocated against admitting. And refused to admit the past couple months. I'm seeing a pattern. :slappy:
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I'm all for people like me admitting it, as I've done several times on this very forum, I'm just not for players calling out their teammates in the media. The secondary last year sucked.

Also, I've never said the draft was part of the excuse. Those are Saban's words, not mine. I don't agree. I just think senior leadership was poor.
The over reliance on Cooper wasn't a problem. Bama's offense that year was the best it has ever been.
 
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Gcashwell said:
I'm all for people like me admitting it, as I've done several times on this very forum, I'm just not for players calling out their teammates in the media. The secondary last year sucked.

Also, I've never said the draft was part of the excuse. Those are Saban's words, not mine. I don't agree. I just think senior leadership was poor.
The over reliance on Cooper wasn't a problem. Bama's offense that year was the best it has ever been.
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Nobody said Ragland had to call Jones out... like I pointed out, our own LB corps said they sucked after the 2013 season. And they did.
That was an actual admittance to a fault.
You claimed they were dealing with their faults by referencing intangibles that had little to do with the 2015 Sugar Bowl... and then said it's a good thing they're repressing and hiding the actual faults.
You can't make this shit up.
 
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kujirakira said:
Nobody said Ragland had to call Jones out... like I pointed out, our own LB corps said they sucked after the 2013 season. And they did.
That was an actual admittance to a fault.
You claimed they were dealing with their faults by referencing intangibles that had little to do with the 2015 Sugar Bowl... and then said it's a good thing they're repressing and hiding the actual faults.
You can't make this [Mark May] up.
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No, I said saying their leadership was lacking isn't making an excuse, it's admitting a fault. Not necessarily all their faults.
 
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JFC: I'm watching the game now. Bama went 3 and out on their first 2 possessions and gave up a long drive in between. Then Zeke fumbled and started the run for Bama to score. Faults, excuses, and shitting a pony aren't occurring on the field. Even at 21-6 I would love to see any player under Saban say "Yup, that'll do it". The problem isn't with leadership (or maybe a better word is entitlement), it's with calling the right play at the right time and OSU succeeded more often than not. Talent levels were equal and coaching was only disparaged by Kiffin not running Henry.
 
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Systems_id said:
So you're telling me Alabama wasn't focused when they took a 21-6 lead over Ohio State in the first half?
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OSU was beating themselves at that point. You knew it would turn around. OSU was dominating in all but the score. We all know that OSU winning that game by 7 was a fluke. It should have been 17.

I think the leadership issues are more during practice. The players play hard in the game, but the prep isn't there to support it. I think OSU suffered a lot of that this year. If you don't practice right, no amount of effort in the games will save you.

I think you see it during a season as a lack of improvement. Bama's secondary didn't improve last year. OSU didn't improve offensively this year.
 
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kujirakira said:
Since there is no demonstrable way it affected the game, sounds more like an excuse to me.
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That has nothing to do with Bama trying to "lessen the blame", which is part of the definition of excuse. In fact, it increases the blame, the opposite of an excuse. It's taking accountability.

IMO the leaders not stepping up on practice is a sin on par with not hustling during the game. You just want to find a way to hate everything Bama does.
 
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Gcashwell said:
OSU was beating themselves at that point. You knew it would turn around. OSU was dominating in all but the score. We all know that OSU winning that game by 7 was a fluke. It should have been 17.

I think the leadership issues are more during practice. The players play hard in the game, but the prep isn't there to support it. I think OSU suffered a lot of that this year. If you don't practice right, no amount of effort in the games will save you.

I think you see it during a season as a lack of improvement. Bama's secondary didn't improve last year. OSU didn't improve offensively this year.
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I agree with this.

If listing the reasons as to why your team lost a game you feel you should have won is just an exercise in excuse making, how do we think OSU fans must sound to MSU fans?
 
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Jaxbuck said:
I agree with this.

If listing the reasons as to why your team lost a game you feel you should have won is just an exercise in excuse making, how do we think OSU fans must sound to MSU fans?
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I get what you're saying, but I think the talent gap between 2014 OSU and 2014 Alabama is nowhere near the talent gap between 2015 OSU and 2015 MSU. Five months from now, OSU will blow out of the water the draft stats listed in the second post of this thread.
 
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Making excuses is something fans do all the time. And really, who cares? We all do it.

It's when players start doing it that problems start. At that point, coaches need to step in and remind the players of what they need to do better.

Finally, though perhaps neither Alabama fans nor Ohio State fans would like to admit it, the two fan bases are more similar than different: lots of entitled jerks who parade around their affiliation with braggadocio, especially around their rivals; lots of knowledgeable and studious types who can cite draft status and advanced metrics for their team and its players; and a small bunch of mouthbreathers from the sticks.
 
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MaxBuck said:
Making excuses is something fans do all the time. And really, who cares? We all do it.

It's when players start doing it that problems start. At that point, coaches need to step in and remind the players of what they need to do better.

Finally, though perhaps neither Alabama fans nor Ohio State fans would like to admit it, the two fan bases are more similar than different: lots of entitled jerks who parade around their affiliation with braggadocio, especially around their rivals; lots of knowledgeable and studious types who can cite draft status and advanced metrics for their team and its players; and a small bunch of mouthbreathers from the sticks.
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we've got a hippie from Taos New Mexico

I bet they don't
 
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Perhaps part of the reason it can matter to a fan is the "purity" of a win. To make it seem as though your team won because of a reason outside of their coaching or talent can irk a diehard fan. Does this show immaturity on the part of said fan?.... Perhaps. But not everyone is perfect. So perhaps the way to be at peace is to ask.... With perfect prep from both sides, is the outcome the same? I believe so...
 
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buckeyesin07 said:
I get what you're saying, but I think the talent gap between 2014 OSU and 2014 Alabama is nowhere near the talent gap between 2015 OSU and 2015 MSU. Five months from now, OSU will blow out of the water the draft stats listed in the second post of this thread.
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Probably true, but that isn't what makes a team great. The results are in for last year and Ohio State was the best team. Results aren't done yet for this year but Ohio State wasn't the best team, regardless of individual talent.
 
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