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I probably haven't watched enough of Bama this season to have noticed that big of a swing compared to your 2015 squad offensively. From afar, it seems that Coker has settled in a little bit, but they have been riding Henry so hard and so often that I can't really gauge how balanced their attack truly can be. I honestly assumed they were dishing to Henry so often in the last half of the season so that he gets a fair shot at the Heisman (and it worked well enough to win games). Saban and Bama are a grind-it-out power run team first (as is Meyer and OSU), so, the offense didn't appear to be a whole lot different to me this season.

Think Bama/Sparty will be a solid game, but I think Sparty plays into Bama's strengths too much, and Bama is the deeper squad.
Sims was limited but Kiffin's scheme and Cooper's talent allowed them to be pretty explosive in the passing game last year. This year, it's like watching a Wisconsin QB out there, except they have stellar talent at QB and WR instead of the no-name castoff recruits that head to Madison.

I think both teams play into the other's strengths, as Sparty didn't really improve in the secondary as much as they started facing very bad passing teams (OSU, Iowa, PSU... heck look what woeful but streaky Armstrong did). Fortunately for them, Alabama might be as limited aerially as most of those teams. If the late season improvement was the spartans finally coming into their own, I think that bodes well for them. If they simply caught fire against a number of good not great teams, then the Bama depth may be too much to overcome.

One thing that has to concern Spartan fans is the return of bad Connor. He was very up and down in 2013 and never great until late (CCG 2013 and the second half of the rose, after some hideous choices in the first). He was pretty good last year with some inconsistency, and then remarkably consistent this year despite woeful protection, no running game and constant 3rd and longs with tight coverage. After his injury, the bad decision making seemed to rear its ugly head again. Iffy QB play is supposed to be the thing that helps tip this game in Sparty's favor if they're going to pull the upset. They can't have the idiotic "oh no which DL can I throw it to" version of Connor.
 
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That's like saying Elliott's finger pointing would have changed nothing for them. Obviously, because it's a fragmented and undisciplined team and locker room.

He's not saying Bama deserved to win if they had just focused better. He's saying the opposite: they deserved to lose because of those "excuses." That's why they weren't a complete team last year.

Do I think the LB should be trashing his former team in the media? No, just like Elliott shouldn't be trashing his coaches in the media. Both of them are probably correct and classless at the same time. If something needs to be said at all, he should take responsibility as part of the team who wasn't ready for OSU last year and vow that it would be different this year.

No, it's not. Because we can highlight what would've changed with a different coordinator.
I'm still waiting for somebody to tell me how this alleged leadership issue changed the game, how it ever even manifested itself beyond Ragland passing the buck 12 months later.

Was leadership really what kept Bama from being a complete team last year? It wasn't Sims at QB? It wasn't Jones at CB? It wasn't Kiffin's failure to lean on Henry? It wasn't an over-reliance on Cooper? It wasn't a failure for their defense to adapt to spread principles? It wasn't their DLines inability to stop Eze?

Because in the umpteen times I've watched that game, I've thought "man we could've been in trouble if...." to a lot of those issues. I've never once sat down and though "Man, if Landon Collins just possessed more leadership he somehow wouldn't have been trucked by Cardale" or "if somehow DePriest had more leadership he wouldn't be such a slow replacement -- there would've been no dropoff between him and Mosley"

This is just flat out trolling. The difference is it's a shared target instead of the buckeyes.

Bullshit.
I didn't bring up Jones, he did.
He flat out stated that leadership was a problem -- and yet none of you can highlight how that changed the game, or how it mainfested itself at any point. It was never a criticism leading up to the Sugar Bowl... and 12 months later is the first I've seen of it.
Then he flat out stated that it was a good thing they didn't address one of the actual glaring issues
 
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All of the excuses amount to nothing. The leadership one is rediculous. Who needs leaders to rah rah them to play hard when it's for a championship? The NFL draft excuse is totally absurd because the NFL is far from stacked with only players from Alabama. NFL players come from other schools as hard as that is to believe. The layoff excuse is equally absurd. Last I checked, the B1G championship was played on Dec. 6th. The SEC championship? Well, that was played on Dec. 6th...

In the end, every team that has ever lost has an excuse. Even the "we just got outplayed" is an excuse. It is just the classier, more likely/realistic excuse. Excuses don't need to be spoken. Every person with eyes can see them and/or make them up for themselves. The problem is, when it comes from coaches, all of the teams fans gobble them up and repeat them ad nauseum. Then it becomes fact that those are the reasons that they lost instead of another team just playing better. That hardly ever happens.
 
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Sims was limited but Kiffin's scheme and Cooper's talent allowed them to be pretty explosive in the passing game last year. This year, it's like watching a Wisconsin QB out there, except they have stellar talent at QB and WR instead of the no-name castoff recruits that head to Madison.

I think both teams play into the other's strengths, as Sparty didn't really improve in the secondary as much as they started facing very bad passing teams (OSU, Iowa, PSU... heck look what woeful but streaky Armstrong did). Fortunately for them, Alabama might be as limited aerially as most of those teams. If the late season improvement was the spartans finally coming into their own, I think that bodes well for them. If they simply caught fire against a number of good not great teams, then the Bama depth may be too much to overcome.

One thing that has to concern Spartan fans is the return of bad Connor. He was very up and down in 2013 and never great until late (CCG 2013 and the second half of the rose, after some hideous choices in the first). He was pretty good last year with some inconsistency, and then remarkably consistent this year despite woeful protection, no running game and constant 3rd and longs with tight coverage. After his injury, the bad decision making seemed to rear its ugly head again. Iffy QB play is supposed to be the thing that helps tip this game in Sparty's favor if they're going to pull the upset. They can't have the idiotic "oh no which DL can I throw it to" version of Connor.
Agree on bad Conner, for sure, and I would expect Bama's defense to force several bad Conner moments in this match-up. I simply think it comes down to the trenches on both sides in this one, while Sparty is strong on both sides, Bama is a step above in terms of talent, will be well prepared even w/Smart leaving for UGA, and most of all - depth.

I don't see Sparty having the ability to slow Henry down enough throughout the game to not eventually fall into some big plays, whether that's on the ground or in the air against what I agree is an average Bama passing attack. However, this is "Mike" Dantonio, the best DC in OSU history (in my book) and a guy who has an ability to coach his team into fighting through to the end. I think Sparty may need some special teams help to get this one done. I'm rooting for them (I know OSU fans - gets your torches and pitch forks!!). But I just don't see Bama making a lot of mistakes, and I think they'll own the Time Of Possesion, which could really hurt Sparty.
 
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I'm still waiting for you to address the fact that Bennett talked about how worrying about the draft hurt his play on the field. Most kids aren't that honest or upfront to admit a personal failing like that.
No, it's not. Because we can highlight what would've changed with a different coordinator.
of course, because scapegoats are fun. Never mind the actual person who chose the qb against beck's wishes, or the actual playcaller who has demonstrated these weaknesses frequently over the past four years (other than at the very end of Herman's tenure )

so the line would have stopped blocking like psu if another oc was hired? Decker was not within miles of his 2014 self. Boren and Price were even further away.

The perimeter blocking would not have fallen off of a cliff with Smith, Spencer, brown and smith gone ? Vannett would not have looked like a first time contributor at te?

Would Jones have executed at the absurdly high rate on 3rd and long like he did against Bama? Or would his early down struggles have led to overall consistency issues ? That was argued by many this off season and lo and behold, it came true. Not because we are smart but because he's always been inconsistent.

OSU has plenty of flaws but their focus and discipline this year is way off.

And I can highlight that Bama had their own schematic problems and stopped Henry when they could not, never moreso than the play action interception ruining the drive starting in fg range.
I'm still waiting for somebody to tell me how this alleged leadership issue changed the game, how it ever even manifested itself beyond Ragland passing the buck 12 months later.

Was leadership really what kept Bama from being a complete team last year? It wasn't Sims at QB? It wasn't Jones at CB? It wasn't Kiffin's failure to lean on Henry? It wasn't an over-reliance on Cooper? It wasn't a failure for their defense to adapt to spread principles? It wasn't their DLines inability to stop Eze?

Because in the umpteen times I've watched that game, I've thought "man we could've been in trouble if...." to a lot of those issues. I've never once sat down and though "Man, if Landon Collins just possessed more leadership he somehow wouldn't have been trucked by Cardale" or "if somehow DePriest had more leadership he wouldn't be such a slow replacement -- there would've been no dropoff between him and Mosley"

Bull[Mark May].
I didn't bring up Jones, he did.
He flat out stated that leadership was a problem -- and yet none of you can highlight how that changed the game, or how it mainfested itself at any point. It was never a criticism leading up to the Sugar Bowl... and 12 months later is the first I've seen of it.
Then he flat out stated that it was a good thing they didn't address one of the actual glaring issues
If you're going to pretend that Alabama wasn't wildly arrogant and overconfident about facing the lowly buckeyes, or that they vastly underrated and disrespected cardale, or simply bought into the conference rhetoric, then there's not much that can be done to convince you.

Never mind that this board has talked about that arrogance and lack of preparation quite a bit, or that the Bama coaches talked about it, or that they went to the oc directly to learn from their mistakes.

I think Bama 14 was a much better team than OSU 15 but both did not have their head in the right place when it mattered most.
 
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I'm still waiting for you to address the fact that Bennett talked about how worrying about the draft hurt his play on the field. Most kids aren't that honest or upfront to admit a personal failing like that.

What does Bennet have to do with anything? Yea, players are affected. On every single P5 team.

of course, because scapegoats are fun.

Thank you for this nugget of irony.

Never mind the actual person who chose the qb against beck's wishes, or the actual playcaller who has demonstrated these weaknesses frequently over the past four years (other than at the very end of Herman's tenure )

so the line would have stopped blocking like psu if another oc was hired? Decker was not within miles of his 2014 self. Boren and Price were even further away.

The perimeter blocking would not have fallen off of a cliff with Smith, Spencer, brown and smith gone ? Vannett would not have looked like a first time contributor at te?

Would Jones have executed at the absurdly high rate on 3rd and long like he did against Bama? Or would his early down struggles have led to overall consistency issues ? That was argued by many this off season and lo and behold, it came true. Not because we are smart but because he's always been inconsistent.

Are you really arguing that playcalling didn't play a big role in that loss?
Or just trying to shift attention away from Ragland's claim about leadership?

OSU has plenty of flaws but their focus and discipline this year is way off.

Indeed, and unlike 2014 Bama we have plenty of examples of that.

- Bosa, Wilson, Corey, Jalin suspended for drugs before season even begins
- QB controversy
- Musical Playcaller chairs
- JT DUI
- Eze calling out Beck after MSU
- Decker implying Beck is incompetent after scUM
- Washington solicitation
- Eze accident and suspended license

Let me know what you've got for 2014 Bama.


And I can highlight that Bama had their own schematic problems and stopped Henry when they could not, never moreso than the play action interception ruining the drive starting in fg range.

I've already mentioned Kiffin's playcalling a few times as a real issue.
But Ragland didn't say anything about playcalling, did he?

Stop trying to change the goal posts and give me examples of these leadership failures and how they would have changed the outcome of the game.
 
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The obvious example is that they didn't prepare for the game properly. If you come in to a game unprepared, you aren't going to win. It's simple. I don't see why you are having such a hard time with it. Think back to all those tests you didn't study for and failed in high school.
 
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You keep putting words in my mouth. I didn't say Saban didn't prepare. Im saying some of he players didn't take the challenge seriously.

And yes, I took a jab at you. It was a joke. You'll be fine.

Take all the cheap shots you need... cuz your argument still doesn't have a single leg to stand on.
It's funny how you 2 accuse me of being a hater, troll, etc. ... and yet, you two are the only ones making personal attacks. Ya'll some whiny ass bitches.

As for your usual claim about putting words in your mouth... this is what you said:
"The obvious example is that they didn't prepare for the game properly. If you come in to a game unprepared, you aren't going to win"

Last I checked, Saban is the Head Coach of Alabama. Preparing the team is his job.
 
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Wow. And you guys are trying to call me a troll, hater, etc.

Sorry, I don't buy for a second that Saban didn't prepare.
Urban and Saban are legends and masters of their craft. They have their heads on straight and prepare effectively. They are not kids that let things go to their heads and greatly impact their performance and preparation. Yet ultimately it is the leadership that is to blame when that happens, first urban, then coaches then player leaders .

The coaches don't laugh at selection shows when they learn they will play the lowly buckeyes from the terrible b1g, slain by a hideous VT team and without their best two qbs.

As I've said, Bama was a much better team with far less flaws (and would also handily beat 2015 OSU) but there were plenty of signs that they didn't take osu seriously enough. They didn't think that cardale could do that, despite the ccg performance. They didn't think osu could run the ball like that on them (like OSU thought about sparty ) . They believed the hype and frankly the hype had served them well for most of the last four years.
 
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What does Bennet have to do with anything? Yea, players are affected. On every single P5 team.
because it is the foundation of your argument. Bennett's play was greatly affected yet he was a guy that was barely drafted. You claimed that lack of draft picks rebukes the legitimacy of that claim.

It rebukes the validity of the excuse for focusing on the draft. It does not change the severe distraction it presents.
Thank you for this nugget of irony.



Are you really arguing that playcalling didn't play a big role in that loss?
Or just trying to shift attention away from Ragland's claim about leadership?



Indeed, and unlike 2014 Bama we have plenty of examples of that.

- Bosa, Wilson, Corey, Jalin suspended for drugs before season even begins
- QB controversy
- Musical Playcaller chairs
- JT DUI
- Eze calling out Beck after MSU
- Decker implying Beck is incompetent after scUM
- Washington solicitation
- Eze accident and suspended license

Let me know what you've got for 2014 Bama.




I've already mentioned Kiffin's playcalling a few times as a real issue.
But Ragland didn't say anything about playcalling, did he?

Stop trying to change the goal posts and give me examples of these leadership failures and how they would have changed the outcome of the game.
I've talked multiple times about how their head was in the wrong place and how they openly laughed before and later admitted they weren't prepared for how good cardale and OSU could be. But you only want to discuss schematic and personnel flaws of Bama (which were many and a major factor), not their obvious arrogance and overconfidence.
 
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Bama did not prepare properly. Unlike the classless shot from Ragland, Smart stands up and takes the blame while also pointing out the difficulty in preparing.

Where did Alabama's defense go wrong entering Sugar Bowl? Kirby Smart weighs in
Alabama defensive coordinator Kirby Smart asked three Tide veteran defensive backs — Landon Collins, Nick Perry and Jarrick Williams — the same question following Alabama's Sugar Bowl loss to Ohio State in January.

"I said ... "Where did we go wrong? What did we do wrong?" Smart shared during a radio interview Monday on 680 The Fan in Atlanta. "All three of them said they did not the respect the quarterback."
Asked and answered in January. Many talked about that failure back then. Smart talked about it later in the offseason.
"So I've coached about 14 years, 15 years," Smart said. "It was the most different situation we've ever had because of the quarterback situation. So you've got one quarterback on tape [Miller]. Then you've got another quarterback on tape [Barrett]. Then you've got one game on the quarterback."
"Our job as the coaches was to make them respect the quarterback," Smart said. "Well, they heard from the media, they heard from ESPN, they heard from everybody that he was a third-string quarterback. How can a third-string quarterback beat Alabama? We didn't promote him enough, and they didn't value his talents enough. And he came in – we thought he was a really good passer — well, he ran the ball well, too.
Frankly Cardale was not great passing the ball. He was clutch but got himself into bad situations all game. And he RAN out of them for the most part. That was shocking, even to us buckeyes. We knew he was big and could move but I don't think anyone expected him to look like Cam Newton out there, especially not the 2015 version of Cam Newton.
"Well, we had not seen him run the ball. Physical. And not a runner like [Alabama quarterback Blake Sims] and not a runner like their other guy [Barrett]. This guy was just lumbering and big and ran through arm tackles, even [from] our big, physical defensive guys."
See above.
"What they did, they brought a running back that I think's an unbelievable running back to the forefront because they weren't trying to run the quarterback as much," Smart said. "They handed the ball off. They had three great wide-outs who nobody ever saw because the quarterbacks that were there didn't have great throwing skills. That kid No. 9 [Devin Smith] ... great player. Great player. He's super fast."
There's no excuse for missing Devin, as he's had many years of tape, but Marshall was not a notable threat downfield and Thomas was underutilized. And no one could have prepared for the greatest WR pass I've ever seen.
While the Tide led, 21-6, late in the second quarter, Smart said he "knew early" that Alabama's defense could be in trouble.

"See, everybody's talking about the score," Smart said. "We were leading, but we weren't leading. We had not slowed them down. We had two red area stops, which were six points. Could have been 14. We had a turnover. We stripped a ball. We had not slowed them down, and I'm thinking this could be 21, but it's six, 21-6. Could be 21-21.

"And then they scored right before the half, which we thought was deadly. They had a good two-minute drive and scored, and I knew that we were in trouble."
This aligns with what GCashwell said as well. OSU dominated that game other than the fourth quarter. They simply made some mistakes to hide that.
 
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