5 players suspended for 5 games in 2011 regular season (Appeal has been denied)

[Muck]

Do you have a written statement or a recording in which Cam's dad tells him he's looking for money before letting Cam sign?

Cecil has admitted asking for money. Does it make him less of a pimp if his victim (Cam) wasn't aware of the transaction?

 

[Diego-Bucks]

This is all hypothetical but why you are breaking a rule is much more important to the fan base than it is to the NCAA. The NCAA doesn't give a censored if you sold your gold pants to help starving kids in Africa or if you sold it to give you more money to go to the movies. Fans, on the other hand, care a lot why you did something. For me, at least, if some of these players sold some of their stuff because their families needed the money, I have a hard time faulting them. If I were in that situation, I would do the same thing 100 times out of 100 to help my family and I would tell the NCAA to go censored themselves. The rationale for selling their stuff doesn't excuse them from the punishment either, but rationale has to matter. at least a little bit.

I cannot agree with you more. When it is the morally correct choice to do WHATEVER you can (short of a crime) to help your family, you do it and tell the NCAA to fuck off. I have no idea what the entire story is for all 5 players, but sometimes you have to do what you have to do. That is NOT shameful to the Ohio State University.

That is not to say that they are all 5 are pure of heart in these decisions; further, they all need to be punished. Bowl game and 2 or 3 games of 2011 seems appropriate. But fuck the NCAA and their self-righteous bullshit. These guys are Buckeyes, lets not forget it. Lets go out and win the bowl game, and I hope we see these 5 on the sideline cheering our guys on.

 

[TooTall]

Cecil has admitted asking for money. Does it make him less of a pimp if his victim (Cam) wasn't aware of the transaction?

I'm sorry, I will NEVER EVER buy into the whole, daddy did all the dirty work, while I knew nothing about it. If you are a talented athlete (as Cam is), and you don't know what your dad is trying to do, TO GET YOU INTO A SCHOOL... Then something has to be wrong mentally with Cam. I'm the whole story is foul, and it became even more foul when the NCAA did nothing about it.

 

[Steve19]

Do you have a written statement or a recording in which Cam's dad tells him he's looking for money before letting Cam sign?

You can be suspicious, should be suspicious, but without evidence there is no case.

Cinci didn't he admit it and didn't the NCAA say that Cam Newton was not punished precisely because he did not supposedly know what his father did?

 

[Muck]

I'm sorry, I will NEVER EVER buy into the whole, daddy did all the dirty work, while I knew nothing about it. If you are a talented athlete (as Cam is), and you don't know what your dad is trying to do, TO GET YOU INTO A SCHOOL... Then something has to be wrong mentally with Cam. I'm the whole story is foul, and it became even more foul when the NCAA did nothing about it.

We're getting off topic but...

I don't disagree. It's a bit of a stretch IMO BUT it's not important to the direct line of discussion.

The original response to claims that Cecil was pandering asking whether or not there was verifiable evidence that Cam knew is irrelevant. Cecil has admitted he asked for money. I was pointing out that Cam's knowledge is irrelevant to Cecil's status as a pimp (leaving aside the standard definition of pandering involving sex rather than athletic services being exchanged for money).

 

[RugbyBuck]

The system is obviously broken. I'm not letting these kids off of the hook completely, but for them to feel compelled to sell some things that should be (and, I expect, will be long down the road) precious to them is just wrong. Fcuk, I had a stipend to teach philosophy at tOSU and it's fair to say that my being there didn't generate any revenue for the university. Some of these kids have next to nothing and are putting everything they have into the program. It's not fair to anyone for them to feel like they have to pimp rings and kit for spending money. The whole situation is just FUBAR and devalues what should be really meaningful. I imagine that it's really hard to be 19-21 and appreciate the intrinsic value of something when you're flat broke.

 

[Systems_id]

Duane Long going off....

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See this is what hurts the most of this situation. We fans love to espouse the 'family' aspect of Buckeye football and regularly talk up our Buckeye family but the minute one of our beloved players does something we don't agree with, we turn on them like rabid dogs. And it's not even like we're talking about 40 year-old or hell even 30 year-old people here. We're talking about kids who aren't even old enough to drink yet for the most part. I've done far dumber stuff than what these kids did at their age (and I'd wager a majority of us have as well) but my family still supported me to the best of their ability. To hear people discard these players like broken toys is honestly the most heartbreaking. A true family doesn't do that. A true family sticks with each other through thick and thin. Every single human being, both alive and dead, has done some incredibly dumb [censored] in their life and these players are no different.

 

[Gatorubet]

Cinci didn't he admit it and didn't the NCAA say that Cam Newton was not punished precisely because he did not supposedly know what his father did?

Evidence was that Cecil asked Miss State for money, who said "no". Cam then went to Auburn. There is - at the present time - no evidence of Auburn agreeing to give, or giving Cecil or Cam any money.

The NCAA said that if Miss State had agreed to give Cecil money, or if Cecil had offered a pay for play deal to Miss State - and then Cam signed with Miss State regardless of the actual receipt - then a violation would have occured.

So as long as there is no proof of Auburn being solicited by Cam or Cecil - or Auburn agreeing to provide $$$ for signing Cam, whether Cam knew or not - they have no actionable violation.

Anyone with a brain believes that Cecil approached Auburn too....there just is no proof at this time. But you cannot act upon supposition and speculation so long as there is the possibility that Cecil made an offer, got smacked down on it by Miss State, and then had Cam sign with Auburn for a no $$$ deal because he thought it was the best thing for Cam's pro career......I mean, it is possible.

 

[Muck]

See this is what hurts the most of this situation. We fans love to espouse the 'family' aspect of Buckeye football and regularly talk up our Buckeye family but the minute one of our beloved players does something we don't agree with, we turn on them like rabid dogs. And it's not even like we're talking about 40 year-old or hell even 30 year-old people here. We're talking about kids who aren't even old enough to drink yet for the most part. I've done far dumber stuff than what these kids did at their age (and I'd wager a majority of us have as well) but my family still supported me to the best of their ability. To hear people discard these players like broken toys is honestly the most heartbreaking. A true family doesn't do that. A true family sticks with each other through thick and thin. Every single human being, both alive and dead, has done some incredibly dumb [censored] in their life and these players are no different.

Well said. If your kid screws up you smack them in the back of the head, let them know that it isn't acceptable behavior and then teach them how to correct their mistake.

You don't kick them out of the house and tell them they're never welcome home again.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

See this is what hurts the most of this situation. We fans love to espouse the 'family' aspect of Buckeye football and regularly talk up our Buckeye family but the minute one of our beloved players does something we don't agree with, we turn on them like rabid dogs. And it's not even like we're talking about 40 year-old or hell even 30 year-old people here. We're talking about kids who aren't even old enough to drink yet for the most part. I've done far dumber stuff than what these kids did at their age (and I'd wager a majority of us have as well) but my family still supported me to the best of their ability. To hear people discard these players like broken toys is honestly the most heartbreaking. A true family doesn't do that. A true family sticks with each other through thick and thin. Every single human being, both alive and dead, has done some incredibly dumb [censored] in their life and these players are no different.

We're not talking about kids who left early for the NFL when we wanted them to stay...or transferred out....or sat out a year to focus on academics. We're not even talking about dumb decisions like getting busted for underage drinking or a bar scuffle.

We're talking about kids who knowingly violated NCAA rules for personal gain thus putting the integrity of the football program and reputation of the university into question. The Ohio State football program is NOT a family--it's a multi-million dollar business attached to a multi-billion dollar research university The importance of the latter, I might add, is of vastly more importance to the economic future of Ohio than the football team. These kids accepted a responsibility to Ohio State University when they chose to come here, accept a scholarship and represent the university in a highly public manner. They abrogated that trust and didn't live up to that responsibility. I'm not going to pretend that I'm Solomon and know exactly what that punishment should be. However, even if it's not ultimately decided upon, dismissal from the program should at least be on the table.

 

[jwinslow]

The NCAA said that if Miss State had agreed to give Cecil money, or if Cecil had offered a pay for play deal to Miss State - and then Cam signed with Miss State regardless of the actual receipt - then a violation would have occured.

But he didn't claim he was offended and walked away from the offensive offer... he had dealings about that arrangement.

It is completely ridiculous that Cam is ineligible if Cecil meets with Miss State folks and offers his services...

...but if Cecil meets with Miss State folks to discuss the exact same arrangement, but Miss State broaches the subject...

then he's eligible.


It's also not believable that he was meeting with folks about a pay for play scheme with the losing school but not the winner.


I have a hard time believing Cam Newton is still eligible if he was playing for a 6-6 Gator squad instead of being the face of the heisman, national championship, SEC and college football. At the very least, it seems like he would have had to wait longer than 24 hours to be reinstated as things were sorted out.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

i dont see nor care to see any cam newton comparison. who cares. if someone robs a bank it does not mean that you can/should mug someone on the street. one might be for a grand the other four a couple hundred grand, both are wrong and both violate the law. be it $500 bucks, or the $1,000+ of the five involved in this situation, or the 180k of cam newton, all of them are clear cut, no questions asked obvious violations. not a doubt in my mind. nothing justifies breaking the rules, and if you do and youre caught may you face the full penalty, whatever that might be. no excuses, anyone who sees otherwise is nothing short of a fanboy scarlet glassed homer...

 

[JCOSU86]

See this is what hurts the most of this situation. We fans love to espouse the 'family' aspect of Buckeye football and regularly talk up our Buckeye family but the minute one of our beloved players does something we don't agree with, we turn on them like rabid dogs. And it's not even like we're talking about 40 year-old or hell even 30 year-old people here. We're talking about kids who aren't even old enough to drink yet for the most part. I've done far dumber stuff than what these kids did at their age (and I'd wager a majority of us have as well) but my family still supported me to the best of their ability. To hear people discard these players like broken toys is honestly the most heartbreaking. A true family doesn't do that. A true family sticks with each other through thick and thin. Every single human being, both alive and dead, has done some incredibly dumb [censored] in their life and these players are no different.

While I agree with this, I think the fact that money is so pervasive that it might be impossible to actually have it this way. It's sad.

 

[Gatorubet]

We're not talking about kids who left early for the NFL when we wanted them to stay...or transferred out....or sat out a year to focus on academics. We're not even talking about dumb decisions like getting busted for underage drinking or a bar scuffle.

We're talking about kids who knowingly violated NCAA rules for personal gain thus putting the integrity of football program and reputation of the university into question.

The thing is, when they know - even if a year later - that they broke NCAA rules, not revealing that as a group put the whole program in serious jeopardy. Given the number of guys involved, and presumably the number of times it happened, it then becomes a not-so-secret thing that could get back to some lover level staff member or tutor or Grad Assistant. So if you are busted now - as they were - if the NCAA found out that this whole deal was known to some of the program staff and not turned in, you could be looking at major infractions for the whole team, including loss of scholarhips, bowl games, and loss of institutional control findings.

That many guys knowing and not reporting it when they found out what they did was wrong could have been a bomb that took out the guts of your program for years. It disturbs me that they did not reveal this stuff sooner, as how the NCAA works is not really a secret. You would be surprised at the number of hours of instruction that the players get on compliance issues.

Kudos to tOSU for getting this thing handled and the damage limited.

 

[OregonBuckeye]

Fucky fuck fuck. I'm sure Pryor haters are rejoicing. Fuck 'em(the haters, not the suspended players). We'll still win the Big-10 next year.