Wow.
I feel sorry for people like the nimrods over on the Michigan boards who think Tressel is pure evil. How can you not respect the guy?
Consider me satisfied as well.
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I feel sorry for people like the nimrods over on the Michigan boards who think Tressel is pure evil. How can you not respect the guy?
Consider me satisfied as well.
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Ok so I guess I'll be the one to ask the question. As far as Thomas, Posey, and Boom, those are easy positions to rotate anyways so bringing them back into the fold is easy. But how do you bring Pryor and Adams back in against Nebraska and after, especially if Guiton(IMO)/Bauserman/Miller and Norwell/Shugarts/Hall play well, say start us off at 5-0? Rotation or a straight switch?
Do the suspended players get to practice during the season?
Do the suspended players get to practice during the season?
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Not only is Tressel's moral compass and "do right" meter in perfect working order, but it's often a bit glossed over just how smart this guy really is. This is a brilliant move, even from the most cynical perspective. In this one move, the pressure is off of the program and on to the players (who actually committed the violation), but in a positive way that will allow them to redeem themselves.
Folks, that's leadership.
Folks, that's leadership.
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Class'13;1843375; said:
they get to practice....
We'll have one helluva scout team. I hear Pryor does a great Jacory Harris impersonation.
Another question, will this eliminate them from being elected a team captain?
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That is a serious injury for Willis McGahee
if pryor does indeed come back then i can see the coaching staff redshirting braxton miller unless something extremely drastic happens with guiton or bauserman...which is for the best anyways, and it might actually work out for the better as both pryor and miller will be on the sidelines together during games
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Merih;1843318; said:
Brilliant move by JT. As usual, it went right over the head of clowns like Carl Ravitch at ESPN. After Chris McHendry read this report he couldn't wait to make his smarmy comment - and expose himself as an idiot at the same time:
"That's odd, because players play in bowl games and leave right after all the time."
Hey dipshit, the point is these players are going to take their medicine one way or another.
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EidoloN;1843386; said:
If anything it should be reduced to 4 games. The equivalent of what Green got. I think it should be reduced to 3 since our guys didn't sell their stuff to an Agent.
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EidoloN;1843386; said:
Typically the suspension for this sort of violation is 4 games. I suspect that is where it will end up. The extra game was for, allegedly, [strike]the players not being totally honest when initially questioned about it.[/strike]
That's what I get for being lazy. The correct explanation for the 5th game, per the NCAA:
"the student-athletes did not immediately disclose the violations when presented with the appropriate rules education,"
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Tlangs;1843383; said:
I don't think any of them should be team captain given they won't play in a game until October due to suspension. I won't be upset if they are, though. That's up to Tressel and the team and I'll go with their decision.
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Jake;1843392; said:
I thought it was for not coming forward after receiving appropriate training on the rules. So they got an extra game for "not coming forward". Even though the only reason AJ Green came forward was because he couldn't produce the jersey to the athletic department when they needed it for an auction. If they didn't have an auction, would AJ Green have came forward?
Big difference between turning yourself in and being asked for an item which you no longer have.
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Color me impressed.
Tressel's ultimatum strikes the perfect balance between the two sides of the argument that went on over the last umpteen pages of this thread. These young men will get to take responsibility for their actions, and spend another year learning and developing. None of these guys were ready for the draft, and JT has got them to take another year to get themselves ready, help the team, and hopefully finish their degrees.
Tressel's ultimatum strikes the perfect balance between the two sides of the argument that went on over the last umpteen pages of this thread. These young men will get to take responsibility for their actions, and spend another year learning and developing. None of these guys were ready for the draft, and JT has got them to take another year to get themselves ready, help the team, and hopefully finish their degrees.
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When Ohio State discovered the violations, the university "understood" the NCAA rules and took the only "ethical stance" that was available to it at that time, namely self-reporting the violations and immediately suspending the players involved. When the NCAA, which is responsible for setting the "ethical" standard in college athletics, declared the players eligible for the Sugar Bowl, then that decision of the NCAA became the new "ethical stance" relevant to the situation. Ohio State initially followed both the general"ethical stance" required by the NCAA rules, and now Ohio State is following the new "ethical stance" set forth in the specific ruling of the NCAA. What more could Ohio State possibly do in this situation to show you that the school is acting "ethically"?cincibuck;1843347; said:
Here's the problem with the essence of your argument: What is the appropriate punishment that a person should receive for lawfully selling his own lawfully-acquired lawful property? Clearly, as a general principle, no punishment is appropriate, and any form of punishment would be inappropriate. The only reason that the players were "wrong" in this situation is that they violated an NCAA rule, a rule which does not have any general ethical component to it. In other words, what the players did was not "wrong" under Ohio law, federal law, natural law, Biblical law, sharia law, or any other body of "ethics" that I can think of (Plato, Aristotle, Kant, Mill, etc.). Therefore, there is no "higher ethical standard" for Ohio State to follow here.
cincibuck;1843347; said:
And the NCAA decided not to follow its own precedent when punishing the Ohio State players, which the NCAA has the right to do. There is no general principle of law (or "ethics" for that matter) that dictates that punishment should begin immediately after sentencing.
I agree that the NCAA turned some logical somersaults in reaching its decision, and one could criticize the NCAA for doing so. However, I simply don't see how anyone can criticize Ohio State for following what the NCAA has determined to be "right" and "ethical" and "proper" under the circumstances.
There is no principle of "ethics" that requires Ohio State to be the proverbial "martyr" in this situation.
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