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5 players suspended for 5 games in 2011 regular season (Appeal has been denied)

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Class'13;1843375; said:
But how do you bring Pryor and Adams back in against Nebraska and after, especially if Guiton(IMO)/Bauserman/Miller and Norwell/Shugarts/Hall play well, say start us off at 5-0? Rotation or a straight switch?
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This is a compelling argument, since OSU always has such a hard time choosing from among their many starting-quality QB's.


-where is that sarcasm font?
 
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Jake;1843392; said:
Typically the suspension for this sort of violation is 4 games. I suspect that is where it will end up. The extra game was for, allegedly, the players not being totally honest when initially questioned about it.

If it's 4 games we'll have them for the entire conference schedule.
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4 games is typical because the NCAA enforcement guideline for 'accepting improper benefits' is 30% of a season. When Georgia wisely suspended A.J. Green right away, the NCAA ruled he was ineligible for 4 games since it was 30% of Georgia's season, and the NCAA fairly (for a change) allowed his suspension for game 1 to count as the first of his 4 games.

I believe the appeal will result in the suspensions being reduced to 4 games. However, if I'm the NCAA, I would wait to rule on the appeal until after January 15th (NFL Draft declaration deadline) in order to verify that all of the players keep their promise to return. If the entire group returns, the NCAA should realize that they're all going to receive the full penalty of the 2011 suspensions, and make it 4 games.

If anybody declares for the draft individually, he'll suffer the wrath of the faithful in Ohio, and he could also cost the other guys the fifth game if the NCAA is ticked and embarrassed that somebody avoids missing any games.

EDIT - Jake, the 5th game was added because they didn't mention that they had sold the items after the compliance department clearly explained this issue in November, 2009 - not because anybody wasn't open and truthful when questioned in December, 2010.
 
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ShakerBuck;1843345; said:
Tweet from Channel 10 in Cbus

@Buckeyes10TV Tressel confirms players affected by NCAA suspensions returning in 2011. "They wouldn't be here if that wasn't the case."

He also said that players would not be permitted to travel to Sugar Bowl if they intended to leave.

I still have a hard time believing they all come back in '11.
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I think they would be foolish to do otherwise because I don't believe their draft stock at this point in their careers is as high as some Buckeye fans think.
 
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Jake;1843427; said:
I think they would be foolish to do otherwise because I don't believe their draft stock at this point in their careers is as high as some Buckeye fans think.
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I agree, except for Boom (as has been stated by others), his draft stock will not likely improve next year... not saying he will get worse, but he was very good this year at the end of the season, and the iron may be at its hottest
 
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BB73;1843423; said:
4 games is typical because the NCAA enforcement guideline for 'accepting improper benefits' is 30% of a season. When Georgia wisely suspended A.J. Green right away, the NCAA ruled he was ineligible for 4 games since it was 30% of Georgia's season, and the NCAA fairly (for a change) allowed his suspension for game 1 to count as the first of his 4 games.

I believe the appeal will result in the suspensions being reduced to 4 games. However, if I'm the NCAA, I would wait to rule on the appeal until after January 15th (NFL Draft declaration deadline) in order to verify that all of the players keep their promise to return. If the entire group returns, the NCAA should realize that they're all going to receive the full penalty of the 2011 suspensions, and make it 4 games.
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I agree it will be 4 games and I don't think the NCAA is in a hurry to announce any reduction, so January 15th should come and go easily. Any such announcement would likely come when people are distracted by things like NCAA basketball. They'll let this die down first.

If anybody declares for the draft individually, he'll suffer the wrath of the faithful in Ohio, and he could also cost the other guys the fifth game if the NCAA is ticked and embarrassed that somebody avoids missing any games.
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Good point. No reduction would likely come for any if even one declares. As I said elsewhere, I don't think their draft stocks warrant such a decision at this point. They'd probably be disappointed in the outcome.
 
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So Cinci, let's say your kid is an 18-year old HS senior. One day while driving, by complete accident, he hits and kills a pedestrian and is charged with and convicted of vehicular manslaughter. The judge, however, decides to suspend his sentence until after he completes his senior year of high school, citing the fact that while your son violated the law, there was no malicious intent involved, as well as the fact he thinks it is important that a non-violent offender such as your son be afforded the opportunity to complete his education, despite the fact that under normal circumstances he would immediately go to jail. Under this scenario, would you plead with the judge to not suspend the sentence and put him in jail immediately, and if the judge refused, would you withdraw your son from school and keep him in a cell in your basement until his sentence began? Because according to your stance, your son broke a rule, the norm is for sentences to begin immediately after conviction, and thus should be subject to the usual punishment even though the judge determined otherwise.
 
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stkoran;1843436; said:
So Cinci, let's say your kid is an 18-year old HS senior. One day while driving, by complete accident, he hits and kills a pedestrian and is charged with and convicted of vehicular manslaughter. The judge, however, decides to suspend his sentence until after he completes his senior year of high school, citing the fact that while your son violated the law, there was no malicious intent involved, as well as the fact he thinks it is important that a non-violent offender such as your son be afforded the opportunity to complete his education, despite the fact that under normal circumstances he would immediately go to jail. Under this scenario, would you plead with the judge to not suspend the sentence and put him in jail immediately, and if the judge refused, would you withdraw your son from school and keep him in a cell in your basement until his sentence began? Because according to your stance, your son broke a rule, the norm is for sentences to begin immediately after conviction, and thus should be subject to the usual punishment even though the judge determined otherwise.
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See your point, but not quite the right analogy. The tOSU 5 intentionally sold stuff for profit. You don't get sentenced for much of anything and certainly not VM for a complete accident (no specific intent or gross negligence).
 
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I was really disappointed in the tOSU administration the last 2 weeks, but as usual, JT shows why he is the best. One way or the other, these kids will serve their suspension. No playing in the Sugar Bowl and escaping the consequences which was one of my main concerns.

These kids play the game and tOSU saves face by forcing them to take their medicine. I really appreciate the way JT handled this. And I just can't see any players going back on their word after already putting the school in this position.
 
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WolverineMike;1843458; said:
Will Tress sue one of them if they go back on this "contract" to come back in 2011?
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Probably not. But i'm sure they will not be welcomed back to Pro Day or receive any of the benefits that the OSU staff can give during the NFL evaluation process.


ie JT talking to an NFL GM and saying. He sure can run the pill, but i wouldn't beleive anything he says.
 
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WolverineMike said:
Will Tress sue one of them if they go back on this "contract" to come back in 2011?
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Obviously not.....but that's not the point.

Penalty option 1: Say you're going pro, sit for the Sugar Bowl
Penalty option 2: Say you're staying, actually stay, sit at most 5 games next year
Penalty option 3: Say you're staying, leave anyway. Good luck with that.

In my opinionated IMO, option 3 would be the most severe penalty of the 3.
 
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