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2024 tOSU Defense Discussion





“I still think they have the best talent in the country,” Meyer said Friday. “I think they were one yard short against Oregon. It's not time to panic; it's time to get better. You were exposed a little bit in pass defense, so the corners got to play better, you got to get more pressure on the quarterback, but those are all fixable things. So I don't anticipate there's panic. I mean there's pissed off, but I don't think there's panic.

Asked specifically about the Ohio State pass rush’s struggles in Eugene, Meyer said he thinks the Buckeyes should rotate more at defensive end after Jack Sawyer played 59 snaps and JT Tuimoloau played 55 against the Ducks. He also thinks the Buckeyes need to decrease the spacing on their defensive line so that quarterbacks can’t step up in the pocket as much as Dillon Gabriel did against Ohio State.

“60 plays is a lot for D-ends, so they got to get a little rotation going. And then also, you just saw a lot of space between the interior D-line and the ends. Dillon Gabriel was able to step up in the pocket; when you step up in the pocket, that's not good, obviously. So there's got to be a correlation between this and this,” Meyer said, pulling his hands toward him before moving them outward to indicate that Ohio State needs to get more pressure into the backfield without leaving big gaps up the middle. “And when there is, there's sacks. You'll see that. They’ll be better.”

Meyer sees Ohio State as one of three or four “super teams” in college football this season that don’t have any true weaknesses because of how much talent they’ve accumulated and how well they were able to plug holes through the transfer portal.

“I made the comment that even like on our 2014 (national championship) team, and I'm using an example, our right guard struggles after spring, he's still going to struggle in the fall because you can't wave your arms and all of a sudden you've got a new player. Now you can,” Meyer said. “So I just don't think there's any weaknesses on the – right now it's Georgia, Oregon and Ohio State. I just don't – show me a weakness and I'll say it's not. Like don't say our defensive ends are a weakness here, because they're not. They’ve just got to do things a little different, a little better.”

“I'd say them and Georgia are the two most talented teams, the two best teams. And I understand Oregon just beat them, but the reality is, I think they're going to play that game again in Indianapolis and I think Ohio State wins,” Quinn said. “So they're two of the most talented teams. Texas is up there, too, in that regard. I'm still a big fan of Tennessee, I think they're still continuing to improve, (quarterback Nico Iamaleava) in particular, a guy who’s in that first year starting. So those are kind of the four teams or so, you can throw Oregon into that mix too and make it five, but I still think Ohio State and Georgia are the two best.”
 
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DON’T CARE. PLAY BETTER DEFENSE. GO BUCKS. There’s an account on here called Hit Like Mike Doss that’s commented the words, “Don’t care. Play better defense. Go Bucks.” on, like, all the articles since Ohio State’s loss to Oregon. I draw attention to the comment because it makes me chuckle but also because it communicates what most fans (short for fanatics) have thought about the past two weeks.

It’s not that Ohio State fans are apathetic — no, Woody Hayes warned them to avoid apathy like the plague — it’s that Ohio State fans want the team’s coaches and players to talk less and work more. That sounds like a corny phrase you’d see on an Under Armour T-shirt off the clearance rack at Kohl’s, but it’s the truth.

Each time the Buckeyes have lost the past three years, Ryan Day and his players have been talking, la, la, la, la, la, like this is business as usual. But now, coming off a one-point loss to Oregon on the road, it’s time for Ohio State to work.

Beat Nebraska.

Beat Penn State.

Beat Purdue.

Beat Northwestern.

Beat Indiana.

Beat the snot out of Michigan.

Beat Oregon — or whoever — in the Big Ten Championship Game.

Win the whole f— thing.

The Buckeyes can talk about how all their goals are still in front of them.

But like Hit Like Mike Doss, I don’t care.

It’s time to talk less and work more.

And don’t let that team — or any team — stand in the way.
 
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PRESSURE! Over 600 words later, let’s talk about stuff I liked from Saturday. There wasn’t much, but there was enough to fill three sections in the Skull Session, so I’ll go Rapid Fire Mode (which, for me, means around 250 words) and move on to Tuesday.

Ohio State’s defense had zero sacks and two tackles for loss in their one-point defeat at Oregon. Two weeks later, the Buckeyes had three sacks and 13 tackles for loss (!) in their four-point win over Nebraska. The latter number was the most from an Ohio State defense since it recorded 15 against Indiana in 2021.

JT Tuimoloau, Tyleik Williams and Ty Hamilton were responsible for Ohio State’s three sacks of Dylan Raiola – who, ICYMI, had some words for fans who tossed water bottles onto the field following Arvell Reese’s targeting call – and combined for five tackles for loss. The other eight takedowns behind the line of scrimmage came from Cody Simon (three), Denzel Burke (two), Caleb Downs (one), Davison Igbinosun (one) and the combination of Kenyatta Jackson Jr. and Jermaine Mathews Jr.

Davison Igbinosun pic.twitter.com/ooOy4xDDUO
— Eleven Warriors (@11W) October 26, 2024
Of all those tackles for loss, none were more important than the two Simon made on the Cornhuskers’ final drive of the game. Following an offensive pass interference call on Nebraska wide receiver Jahmal Banks, the aforementioned targeting call on Reese and a false start call on Nebraska offensive lineman Justin Evans, Simon bulldozed running back Emmett Johnson for a 3-yard loss. On the next snap, he demolished Johnson (poor Johnson) for a 1-yard loss. Simon’s excellence set up a Nebraska 3rd-and-19, which led to Jordan Hancock’s game-sealing interception.

JORDAN HANCOCK pic.twitter.com/fvmJRFzjPa
— Eleven Warriors (@11W) October 26, 2024
All in all, it was great to see Ohio State generate pressure from different looks, get to the quarterback and keep Nebraska’s offense off schedule on offense. The Buckeyes will be hard-pressed to replicate that success against third-ranked Penn State this weekend, but it’s an encouragement nonetheless!

 
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Our starters aren’t type of athletes for that scheme, it’s just going to take that much longer for them to get the the QB. Now CJ Hicks and and Arvell Reece (who has experience at edge) in a designed pass rush package would be another story.
It does seem like we're siloed in our DL/LB position groups. We would never use someone in the LB group as a rush end in the DL group.
And, we always have 4 players from the DL group in the game.
 
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At some point someone needs to wake up and see CJ Hicks as a Barron Browning clone, he needs to be coming off the edge, he is way too explosive coming off the edge. JTT needs more reps at 3 tech

Again, the topic was pass rushing meaning on 3rd and long he needs to be better utilized with his length vs guards who are slower afoot. No one suggested he change his position.
There was no context given.
 
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Maybe I’m in this group that I’m about to blast but here goes.

I am getting so annoyed with many of our fans (Zach Boren is the king of this movement) lack of consistency. We hear how we need to be more creative, we need to get after the QB, and need to blitz more one week. Then this week they bitch about all the blitzing and how we need to get home with just the front. Then we complain how we substitute too much a few years ago and now we bitch because we don’t sub enough. Damn just gets old…

Pick a preference and stick to it.
 
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Maybe I’m in this group that I’m about to blast but here goes.

I am getting so annoyed with many of our fans (Zach Boren is the king of this movement) lack of consistency. We hear how we need to be more creative, we need to get after the QB, and need to blitz more one week. Then this week they bitch about all the blitzing and how we need to get home with just the front. Then we complain how we substitute too much a few years ago and now we bitch because we don’t sub enough. Damn just gets old…

Pick a preference and stick to it.

The blitz talk has been pretty consistent across the board. Everyone agrees pressure with 6 is better than no pressure but that it comes with inherent risk. That's defense 101.

Pointing out how we still only got pressure when we rushed 6 or 7 is not "inconsistent." It's the truth. Elite defenses are elite because they can pressure with four and have seven guys behind in coverage. That's how you win high level college football games. The changes against Nebraska were a start but they're not going to be as successful against the type of teams you're competing against for a national championship.
 
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