*2024 tCun Shenanigans, Arguments, Cobras, Feckless Marmots, Fake Pandas, Dirty Cheaters

[NFBuck]

Any notion that they will/should keep their accomplishments* from 2023 is absurd. For one, the cheating scheme was fully functional through, minimally, October when this all became public. Nobody in their right mind would believe they stopped just because Porn name Marine was jettisoned from the program. They were scouting in advance, so who thinks they didn't utilize that info after Stalions was gone? Not a single person without skin in the game. Even if they did stop (they didn't), the first half of their season was tainted. You cannot allow them to keep any championships* they "won." Look at the state of that program before they implemented the cheating...they were a fucking MESS. Fuck them...take everything they accomplished* from 2021-2023. It's all fugazi.

*bullshit

 

[Woody1968]

Cheated half the season, before being caught.... THEN obfuscated, misdirected, denied knowledge, acted indignant, threatened lawsuits, THEN accepted "punishment" (despite it being a nothingburger- according to them), THEN proceeded to continue to play well beyond recent historical norms for the program & coach, THEN thumping their chests despite no indication of contrition and despite no proof that their scheme ever was snuffed out.

Even if *ichigan gets to keep it's "championship", the whole world knows they are dirty cheaters and also that they suck. Fuck em.

Yeah, if they actually got to keep a championship after that, they'd be the most hated program of all time.

 

[ScriptOhio]

They better not get to keep 2023, considering they cheated half the season.

How do we know that they didn't cheat in the 2nd half of 2023? Just because Stalions got fired doesn't mean that the coaches didn't still have his "cheat sheets" for the teams that they played, etc. The opposing team's signals were stolen way before scUM actually played a game with them.

 

[Woody1968]

How do we know that they didn't cheat in the 2nd half of 2023? Just because Stalions got fired doesn't mean that the coaches didn't still have his "cheat sheets" for the teams that they played, etc. The opposing team's signals were stolen way before scUM actually played a game with them.

Oh, I am sure they did, but they will deny that they did. The first half, they are unashamed to admit that Stalions did the conduct that constituted cheating. They just claim it was ok, because whatevs.

 

[NFBuck]

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

Ohio State - Michigan has long been considered among the greatest rivalries in sports.

All of the rivalries that have been in the same zip code (e.g. Yankees - Red Sox) have one thing in common: both teams grudgingly respect the other.

At least one form of hate is a low form of respect. The lion does not hate the antelope; he hates the hyena. Ohio State does not hate Indiana. We hate Michigan. Like it or not, for most of us that hate carries a grain of respect. Ohio State won't allow just anyone to be called our rival.

There is another form of hate that is not a form of respect. "Despise" is a word that now appears as the number one synonym for "hate" in your thesaurus, and indeed the first definition for "despise" in the dictionary is: to hate. But the original definition of the word "despise" was quite different. A sense of the original definition is preserved in the dictionary's second definition for the word "despise": to ignore in a disrespectful manner.

So while it is correct to say that some of us hate Penn State, it is more correct to say that we despise them.

Penn State is not our rival; they are a despised cult.

This brings us back to Michigan.

Those of us who have souls can no longer hate Michigan the way that we used to. There is not a shred of respect left. Once they have received their comeuppance most of us will transition smoothly to ignoring them in a disrespectful manner. We will despise them. That's a different form of hate; one that does not carry the tiny grain of respect that the old hate did.

I'm not entirely sure that I want to call the Dirtiest Program in America our rival anymore. I am entirely sure that they don't deserve to be called our rival.

 

[NFBuck]

Ohio State - Michigan has long been considered among the greatest rivalries in sports.

All of the rivalries that have been in the same zip code (e.g. Yankees - Red Sox) have one thing in common: both teams grudgingly respect the other.

At least one form of hate is a low form of respect. The lion does not hate the antelope; he hates the hyena. Ohio State does not hate Indiana. We hate Michigan. Like it or not, for most of us that hate carries a grain of respect. Ohio State won't allow just anyone to be called our rival.

There is another form of hate that is not a form of respect. "Despise" is a word that now appears as the number one synonym for "hate" in your thesaurus, and indeed the first definition for "despise" in the dictionary is: to hate. But the original definition of the word "despise" was quite different. A sense of the original definition is preserved in the dictionary's second definition for the word "despise": to ignore in a disrespectful manner.

So while it is correct to say that some of us hate Penn State, it is more correct to say that we despise them.

Penn State is not our rival; they are a despised cult.

This brings us back to Michigan.

Those of us who have souls can no longer hate Michigan the way that we used to. There is not a shred of respect left. Once they have received their comeuppance most of us will transition smoothly to to ignoring them in a disrespectful manner. We will despise them. That's a different form of hate; one that does not carry the tiny grain of respect that the old hate did.

I'm not entirely sure that I want to call the Dirtiest Program in America our rival anymore. I am entirely sure that they don't deserve to be called our rival.

There is not a modicum of respect for those treacherous bastards left in my body. Having to resort to cheating at an unprecedented level is bad enough on its own; to then lie, deny, conceal, and actively try to obstruct the investigation into it is not just wrong...it's pathetic. This whole thing has made _ichigan pathetic.

 

[scarletngray]

Concerning TCUN - "There is not a shred of respect left"- EXACTLY! Time to find a new rival.

 

[buckeyemania11]

Any notion that they will/should keep their accomplishments* from 2023 is absurd. For one, the cheating scheme was fully functional through, minimally, October when this all became public. Nobody in their right mind would believe they stopped just because Porn name Marine was jettisoned from the program. They were scouting in advance, so who thinks they didn't utilize that info after Stalions was gone? Not a single person without skin in the game. Even if they did stop (they didn't), the first half of their season was tainted. You cannot allow them to keep any championships* they "won." Look at the state of that program before they implemented the cheating...they were a fucking MESS. Fuck them...take everything they accomplished* from 2021-2023. It's all fugazi.

*bullshit

It makes no logical sense to strip 21 and 22 but not 23.

IMO if they woulda lost to the semi or final and didn't win the title there wouldn't even be a debate about them keeping 2023. Winning that title is actually what's keeping it alive for them, it's fucking ridiculous.

 

[NFBuck]

When you look back on those three years, one thing that really stands out is how so many of us just could not explain the success they were having. BP has done an extraordinary job of pegging the goings on within their programs for many, many years. We had them PAINTED. For years. Then they started winning at a level previously unseen within their old, stale, underachieving program. Everything suddenly started coming up roses. Most unexplainable of it all was that it wasn't a slow build; they were an absolute TIRE FIRE in 2020. Their program and the Harbrau-era was on the precipice of total collapse. They didn't make any program shifting changes. They didn't suddenly start recruiting better. They didn't hire new coaches with reputations of totally flipping the fortunes of programs they previously led. Nothing of significance changed. They just suddenly looked like a completely different program and none of us could explain it until last October. Suddenly it all made sense.

Fuck these lowlife scUM rat bastards. They robbed us not only of 3 years of delicious schadenfreude; they robbed us of trophies, awards, and wins. ROBBED is the key word, not a speck of it was earned. I want my pound of flesh.

 

[buckalum01]

Concerning TCUN - "There is not a shred of respect left"- EXACTLY! Time to find a new rival.

Agreed. I know it would never happen, but my ideal punishment for these pricks would be for them to be kicked out of the conference, much like they were 100 years ago. Hell, I'd settle for a multi-year suspension. The fact that they (so far) have been allowed to cheat their way to a Natty* is disgusting. If some form of real punishment doesn't get handed down, well, maybe I can finally get some yardwork done on Fall Saturdays. At the risk of sounding like a grumpy old man yelling at teenagers, get off my lawn!

 

[buckalum01]

When you look back on those three years, one thing that really stands out is how so many of us just could not explain the success they were having. BP has done an extraordinary job of pegging the goings on within their programs for many, many years. We had them PAINTED. For years. Then they started winning at a level previously unseen within their old, stale, underachieving program. Everything suddenly started coming up roses. Most unexplainable of it all was that it wasn't a slow build; they were an absolute TIRE FIRE in 2020. Their program and the Harbrau-era was on the precipice of total collapse. They didn't make any program shifting changes. They didn't suddenly start recruiting better. They didn't hire new coaches with reputations of totally flipping the fortunes of programs they previously led. Nothing of significance changed. They just suddenly looked like a completely different program and none of us could explain it until last October. Suddenly it all made sense.

Fuck these lowlife scUM rat bastards. They robbed us not only of 3 years of delicious schadenfreude; they robbed us of trophies, awards, and wins. ROBBED is the key word, not a speck of it was earned. I want my pound of flesh.

I was at the 2022 game, and I remember just being at a total loss for what I was seeing. We were within striking distance into the 4th, but no matter what we did, they had an absolute answer. On offense. On defense. Nothing made sense. At the time, I was firmly in the "Ryan Day choked" camp... but after these revelations, I had a completely different take.

Watching that game through this new lens tells a new story. Donovan Edwards big runs? I get it now. Our offense spinning its wheels? I get it. Them looking like the 85 Bears? Makes sense... Fast forward to the 2022 Playoffs and we almost take out a generationally good Georgia team, while Michigan shits the bed against TCU... I get that too. It is simple math.

I owed Ryan Day an apology...

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

None of the NCAA's corporate sponsors or their partners in the media are going to want to admit that a whole ass championship in a sport that they promote was completely compromised, even though them vacating 2021 & 2022 basically admits that anyway, i'd bet there are a lot of $$$ forces outside of scUM at play here not wanting the NCAA to strip the 2023 season as well. Is it wrong? fuck yes it is, but sadly it's how it is.

I don't think corporate America would consider a title from last year to be something they couldn't bear to see as "tarnished". Who won the World Series 3 years ago? Nobody remembers.... because a new season has started.



(Also nobody remembers because it's baseball. Who cares?)

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

I was at the 2022 game, and I remember just being at a total loss for what I was seeing. We were within striking distance into the 4th, but no matter what we did, they had an absolute answer. On offense. On defense. Nothing made sense. At the time, I was firmly in the "Ryan Day choked" camp... but after these revelations, I had a completely different take.

Watching that game through this new lens tells a new story. Donovan Edwards big runs? I get it now. Our offense spinning its wheels? I get it. Them looking like the 85 Bears? Makes sense... Fast forward to the 2022 Playoffs and we almost take out a generationally good Georgia team, while Michigan shits the bed against TCU... I get that too. It is simple math.

I owed Ryan Day an apology...

They 100% cost CJ the Heisman in 2022. Remember, they were neck and neck and Bryce Young had a pretty meh game against Auburn but had the last drive heroics to win the game. CJ lost his rivalry game and threw two pics. He wins it, and he wins the Heisman.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

I was at the 2022 game, and I remember just being at a total loss for what I was seeing. We were within striking distance into the 4th, but no matter what we did, they had an absolute answer. On offense. On defense. Nothing made sense. At the time, I was firmly in the "Ryan Day choked" camp... but after these revelations, I had a completely different take.

Watching that game through this new lens tells a new story. Donovan Edwards big runs? I get it now. Our offense spinning its wheels? I get it. Them looking like the 85 Bears? Makes sense... Fast forward to the 2022 Playoffs and we almost take out a generationally good Georgia team, while Michigan shits the bed against TCU... I get that too. It is simple math.

I owed Ryan Day an apology...

I was there, also. Two things stick out to me from that otherwise forgetful day:

1. In the bathroom of the Blackwell an hour or so before kickoff, I overheard a conversation that went like this:
Buckeye fan (nicely): What do you think your chances are?
Michigan fan: I'm nervous. I just hope we can win so it proves last year wasn't a fluke.
Me in my head: You fuckin wish......last year was the definition of a fluke.

2. At some point before the game, bullshiting with some fans in a tailgate lot, I said the only chance Michigan has of beating us is if Harbaugh out coaches Ryan Day.......and Harbaugh is borderline brain damaged. There's no way.

In the car on the way back to the hotel I looked at my brother and said "I didn't think it was possible, but we got straight out coached".