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*2024 tCun Shenanigans, Arguments, Cobras, Feckless Marmots, Fake Pandas, Dirty Cheaters

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ORD_Buckeye said:
Probably. Stalions had done his scouting by that point, and I'm sure that he was more than willing to turn over his laminates to the coaching staff and prep them behind the scenes. They were certainly still cheating without him for the Sparty game. The one thing that makes me question that theory after that game though is the absolute cliff that Spin Pass fell off of after the Sparty game.
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I bolded the last sentence because this made me look up the numbers. What I found was ... ... ... let's call it interesting.

Spin Pass sort of fell off of a cliff after the MSU game.

Up to and including the MSU game, JJ McCheater averaged a Pass Efficiency rating of 46.5% higher than the defensive PE of whatever defense he was playing. That is truly stellar, if you assume that he didn't know what the defense was going to do.

After the MSU game, he averaged a PE of 17.9% higher than the defensive PE of whatever defense he was playing. That is a definite nose dive. But the numbers get really interesting when you look at them game-by-game.

Against Purdue, Maryland, Iowa, and Washington; McSpinpass von Cheatingcheater averaged only 99.3% as high a PE as those defenses gave up all year. So the AVERAGE QB faced by those teams put up better numbers than Cheaty Cheaterson did.

Against Penn State, Ohio State, and Alabama, he averaged a PE of 42.6% HIGHER than those defenses usually gave up. His highest differential PE BY FAR of the 2nd half of the season was against... (anybody wanna guess) Ohio State of course. He had a PE 59.9% higher than what the Buckeyes gave up on average. He was ass in alternating games after MSU, but when facing a team that A) had a legitimate chance to beat him, and B) Stalions had a chance to scout, he was magically in pre-MSU form, especially against the Buckeyes.

How convenient.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
Probably. Stalions had done his scouting by that point, and I'm sure that he was more than willing to turn over his laminates to the coaching staff and prep them behind the scenes. They were certainly still cheating without him for the Sparty game. The one thing that makes me question that theory after that game though is the absolute cliff that Spin Pass fell off of after the Sparty game.
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I think they had enough info on everyone in the tank to at least somewhat continue to benefit after Stallions was gone. Especially on defense, definitely at times it looked like they knew exactly what the opposing offense was doing way too much for it to have been that they were just great at play recognition.

Maybe their offense stalled more because it was easier for opposing Ds to completely change how they did everything later in the season than that same thing was for opposing offenses.
 
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buckeyemania11 said:
I think they had enough info on everyone in the tank to at least somewhat continue to benefit after Stallions was gone. Especially on defense, definitely at times it looked like they knew exactly what the opposing offense was doing way too much for it to have been that they were just great at play recognition.

Maybe their offense stalled more because it was easier for opposing Ds to completely change how they did everything later in the season than that same thing was for opposing offenses.
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It may have LOOKED like their defense was still cheating... who knows, maybe they were. But they definitely had a harder time of it after the MSU game. A LOT harder. In fact, it is arguable that the defense crapped out every bit as much as the offense did.

For JJ I did a very back of the envelope, rough-cut DSA for his pass efficiency. For the defense I cranked up the spreadsheet and did the full-deal DSA.

Up to and including Sparty, the CUNTS' Differential Scoring Defense (DSD) was 0.240. That is in the vicinity of 2011 Alabama, which DSA has down as the greatest defense of this century and probably the best of all time.

After Sparty, the Cheaters had a DSD of 0.489. Still very good; it would lead the B1G in most years. But literally more than DOUBLE their DSD of before that.

DOUBLE - Still good defense, but they were in very rare air before they were outed. While still a good defense by the numbers, they were numbers that are put up every year... not the generationally good numbers they had before that. Statistically, in terms of probabilities, it was a very big drop. It appears that opposing offenses actually did a better job (than the defenses did) of disguising their signals after the cheaters were outed.

Mind you, the numbers do suggest that you're right in suspecting that their defense was still cheating. Great Defensive Tackles? Absolutely. Very good secondary? Sure. But not nearly the level of some of the Buckeye defenses that put up similar DSD numbers to what the cheaters did in the second half of the season, and the NFL draft bore that out. In other words, DSA says they were still cheating, just not nearly as well, and the NFL scouts agreed.
 
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CMic said:
Interesting how they use “alleged” multiple times in the article. They have agreed that there was a sign stealing system, else they shouldn’t have fired Stalions. The “alleged” part of the story is on who knew about the system.
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Ah....but they didn't fire him. He quit. That's the kind of technicality bullshit that innocent parties do.
 
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buckeyemania11 said:
I think they had enough info on everyone in the tank to at least somewhat continue to benefit after Stallions was gone. Especially on defense, definitely at times it looked like they knew exactly what the opposing offense was doing way too much for it to have been that they were just great at play recognition.

Maybe their offense stalled more because it was easier for opposing Ds to completely change how they did everything later in the season than that same thing was for opposing offenses.
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They absolutely had enough.

They had 3 years of advanced data of ours for example. We can change things etc but just wasn’t enough time.

I think we still wildly underperformed this past year though. We didn’t go for the throat, we played measured, and we ultimately just beat ourselves with turnovers.
 
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ScriptOhio said:


It would be interesting to actually find out if someone actually made "big bucks" the last 3 years betting on scUM and giving the points. I always thought that was a possibility.
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I'm pretty sure that Vegas has already thoroughly investigated that and would have their scalps already if someone within the program had cleaned up. I think winning the "championships" and "beating" Ohio State was their sole motivation. Don't get me wrong, I'd love for Stalions or Corum much less Simple Jim to be heading to federal pound me in the ass prison, but I think that would have happened by now.
 
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