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2024 Season: Are You Ready For Some Football?

didnt know where else to put this but its annoying as can be....

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I feel this is relevant. I looked up penalty % for opponents, and we are dead last in the nation this year. Link is below, but our opponents only get flagged for 25.5 yards a game on average over the whole season. Ranked 134 out of 134 in the country. Now look back at the same statistic for the previous 8 years. We are almost always near the bottom, and at best like middle of the pack one season. Seems statistically , its improbable for our opponents to always get called for penalties at a very low %. Just saying.

https://cfbstats.com/2024/leader/national/team/defense/split01/category14/sort01.html
Back when Tressel was coach, OSU was last, second to last, and last again in opponents' penalty yards in three consecutive years. One thing I wanted to check was disparity in penalty rankings and yards to account for the possibility that officials who call OSU games just don't call many penalties on either team. Here is what I found using the available nine-year dataset:

1. Over the nine-year period, the average rank of OSU's opponent in penalty yards (higher number = fewer penalty yards) is 97.33 while OSU's rank is 61.55, a difference of 35.78 spots. Over Day's 6-year tenure, it's 105.667 for opponents and 75.667 for OSU, a difference of 30 spots.

2. Over the nine-year period, the average penalty yards per game per season (I wasn't willing to do the work to factor in differing numbers of games per season) was 55.166 for OSU and 44.066 for opponents, a difference of 11.1 yards. Over Day's six-year tenure it was 50.516 for OSU and 41.35 for opponents, a difference of 9.167 yards.

3. OSU had more penalty yards per game than its opponent in every one of the nine years except for the truncated 2020 season (probably because they didn't play the cowards :wink:), when opponents had 2.6 yards per game more in penalties than OSU. Notably OSU had 21 more penalty yards per game than its opponents in 2021 (59.2 YPG to 38.2 YPG) and 19.6 more penalty yards per game in 2018 (75.4 YPG to 55.8 YPG).
 
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There should be multiple coaches shown the door at season's end, regardless of the outcome. DL, OL and OC should all be replaced.
There needs to be a reset, just like when scUM was losing yearly to OSU and Hairball blew it up
 
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Ramzy again....

Lords of Discipline​

By Ramzy Nasrallah on December 11, 2024 at 1:15 pm @ramzy
treveyon henderson vs. WMU, Vols vs. Georgia 2024

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Ancient Midwest football dreams are a reality in 2024.
America's corn people have screaming for generations about how southern football teams wouldn't dare to come play a November game in one of their frigid northern cathedrals - because them boys would freeze, cry and lose. In no particular order.
This has been an empty threat since the Second Industrial Revolution. No self-respecting southern team would ever venture even 50 miles outside the SEC footprint, let alone to the North. It hasn't happened in any November and it never will.
But none of our dead ancestors ever dreamed of wish-casting a December on-campus game against an SEC opponent. Every southern football cynic north of I-70 will have their hyperborean fantasies realized. The future arrives in Columbus next weekend.
Of course, there are a few cracks and tears in the reverie. First, Knoxville is only about seven degrees cooler than Columbus in December - it's not an Aruba-to-Hoth temperature dichotomy the Tennessee Volunteers will be surviving next weekend.
Ohio State doesn't play Michigan next weekend. THe opponent is Tennessee. not oregon. Not georgia. Not "toughness." Not the Los Angeles Chargers. *Just tennessee*.
Second, Ohio State isn't exactly soaring into this opportunity coming off the latest chapter of The Very Bad Thing which the program has serialized since the pandemic - and that brings us to the most important point, especially if the head coach is accidentally reading this.
Any attempt by the Buckeyes to relitigate the 2024 Michigan game or four-year old comments made by the now-head coach of the Los Angeles Chargers is a proven plan to losing. The 2021 loss in Ann Arbor has metastasized into more losses. This is what the failure to be disciplined looks like.
Third, Ryan Day's offense has turned into a little roly poly bug on occasions when the elements get a little too elementy. A little wind against Michigan here, a lot of wind against Northwestern there - puckering is internal, but inclement weather doesn't help. Ancient Midwest football dreams were predicated on three yards and a cloud of dust.
Fourth of all, it's the college football playoff. The Buckeyes have been regulars in this invitational, so we know these games are not won or lost with thermometer readings. They are won or lost on dubious replay reviews that rob Ohio State of defensive touchdowns, allow Marvin Harrison Jr. to be headhunted without a flag and eject anyone wearing a silver helmet for borderline targeting with solid fundamentals, dynamic playmakers and emotionally-intelligent coaching.
That's our recipe to converting ancient, empty northern threats into prophesy. Stay committed to winning the game and not some other emotional distraction. Nervous football gets eliminated. Lords of Discipline win and advance to Pasadena.

 
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The Whole Goddamn Point of Recruiting Five-Star Aliens is to Allow Them To Be The Difference Makers That They Are and Win Big Games For Your Team On Account of Them Being Better at Football Than Anyone Else on the Field.
OHIO STATE DOESN'T PLAY MICHIGAN NEXT WEEKEND. THE OPPONENT IS TENNESSEE. NOT OREGON. NOT GEORGIA. NOT "TOUGHNESS." NOT THE LOS ANGELES CHARGERS. *JUST TENNESSEE*. :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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Ramzy again....

Lords of Discipline​

By Ramzy Nasrallah on December 11, 2024 at 1:15 pm @ramzy
treveyon henderson vs. WMU, Vols vs. Georgia 2024

Originals © Adam Cairns & Dale Zanine - Imagn Images
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Ancient Midwest football dreams are a reality in 2024.
America's corn people have screaming for generations about how southern football teams wouldn't dare to come play a November game in one of their frigid northern cathedrals - because them boys would freeze, cry and lose. In no particular order.
This has been an empty threat since the Second Industrial Revolution. No self-respecting southern team would ever venture even 50 miles outside the SEC footprint, let alone to the North. It hasn't happened in any November and it never will.
But none of our dead ancestors ever dreamed of wish-casting a December on-campus game against an SEC opponent. Every southern football cynic north of I-70 will have their hyperborean fantasies realized. The future arrives in Columbus next weekend.
Of course, there are a few cracks and tears in the reverie. First, Knoxville is only about seven degrees cooler than Columbus in December - it's not an Aruba-to-Hoth temperature dichotomy the Tennessee Volunteers will be surviving next weekend.
Ohio State doesn't play Michigan next weekend. THe opponent is Tennessee. not oregon. Not georgia. Not "toughness." Not the Los Angeles Chargers. *Just tennessee*.
Second, Ohio State isn't exactly soaring into this opportunity coming off the latest chapter of The Very Bad Thing which the program has serialized since the pandemic - and that brings us to the most important point, especially if the head coach is accidentally reading this.
Any attempt by the Buckeyes to relitigate the 2024 Michigan game or four-year old comments made by the now-head coach of the Los Angeles Chargers is a proven plan to losing. The 2021 loss in Ann Arbor has metastasized into more losses. This is what the failure to be disciplined looks like.
Third, Ryan Day's offense has turned into a little roly poly bug on occasions when the elements get a little too elementy. A little wind against Michigan here, a lot of wind against Northwestern there - puckering is internal, but inclement weather doesn't help. Ancient Midwest football dreams were predicated on three yards and a cloud of dust.
Fourth of all, it's the college football playoff. The Buckeyes have been regulars in this invitational, so we know these games are not won or lost with thermometer readings. They are won or lost on dubious replay reviews that rob Ohio State of defensive touchdowns, allow Marvin Harrison Jr. to be headhunted without a flag and eject anyone wearing a silver helmet for borderline targeting with solid fundamentals, dynamic playmakers and emotionally-intelligent coaching.
That's our recipe to converting ancient, empty northern threats into prophesy. Stay committed to winning the game and not some other emotional distraction. Nervous football gets eliminated. Lords of Discipline win and advance to Pasadena.

“metastasized”… great word.
 
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THE SITUATIONAL: None of This is True​

By Ramzy Nasrallah on December 18, 2024 at 1:15 pm @ramzy
Ohio State wide receiver Jeremiah Smith (4) celebrates a touchdown against Michigan during the first half at Ohio Stadium in Columbus, Ohio on Saturday, Nov. 30, 2024.

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Ohio State hired two-time national championship winning coach Urban Meyer 13 years ago. A vocal minority of Buckeye fans had concerns.
First among them was his style of play. However effective it may have been in Gainesville, the spread betrayed Ohio State's legacy and fight song lyrics. The elder wing was fearful the Buckeyes would pivot to some trendy warm-weather 7-on-7 variant. We would forget who we were!
Power spread with Braxton Miller and Carlos Hyde behind a ferocious OL erased their anxiety. Going 12-0 with a postseason ban as the destination was also pacifying. This is fine.
Second, Urban's Florida Gators were famously messy off the field, save for the Heisman pastor he had at quarterback for four seasons. Jim Tressel had just threaded the needle for building rosters containing dudes you would want as sons-in-law with guys who have a precise number of screws loose. Complementary football.
That optimized mix of saints and heathens served Ohio State well. Meyer's starting quarterback for most of his Columbus tenure - one of those son-in-law guys, ironically - picked up an OVI during a bye weekend. Non-football related trouble involving one of his assistants ultimately got him suspended in his final season.
Otherwise, Meyer's rosters were boy scout troops by comparison to what he had in Gainesville. Outcomes overwhelmed the hiccups and concerns. This is fine, we'll keep this.
Third, and it was a poorly kept secret - Urban burns dangerously hot. He sent himself to the ER at Florida and into premature retirement. There was little reason to believe he could be the Knute Rockniest version of himself in Columbus without stepping into predictable health hazards.
Day's winning percentage is almost the same as Meyer's when you look at their records, similar to how lead is almost gold when you look at the periodic table.
Of course his shelf life was under constant assault. It was still a de-risked head coaching hire. Buckeye fans got a gruesome firsthand look at what his Gators could do.
It turned out Ohio State's style of play didn't matter at all, just as long as it accompanied a committed identity with triumphant results. Tresselball was often maddening, but the success was undeniable. We had seen how John Cooper's teams looked like they were playing a different sport in September and October than they downshifted into each November.
That was not okay. It would never be okay. That level of good enough was unacceptable. Thirteen years of debating what good enough looked like was solved by Tressel and confirmed by Meyer.
The closest the Buckeyes came to a troubling identity shift post-Coop was during the middle of Meyer's tenure, when he fell in love with the numbers advantage presented by the quarterback running the ball. He brought in a brave and innovative young offensive coach who turned that conservative predictability around quickly.
Urban's play-calling turtling cost his teams a couple of Michigan State games, but the Buckeyes still beat Michigan every single year and went to Indianapolis almost every season. That made it forgivable. Outcomes uber alles, but please figure out who you are because we want to enjoy watching this, too.
Ohio State had been an unmysterious, relentlessly demanding fan base for over a century - but we actually learned something new about ourselves during the Meyer Era: Just Win The Game. Secure opportunities every type of title. Acquire jewelry. Run the conference. The rest is just details.
Regression of style points was permissible if the trophy cases were still being expanded. Woody did a fair bit of that too, but the style-of-play catalog back then was limited.
That realization over the past decade created a wider berth for his successor, who had no head coaching experience but quickly transformed Meyer's security blanket offense in a single season.
And now we are here, four seasons removed from any jewelry or conference title game appearances. The raison d'être for Ryan Day's ascendance has since dissolved. Innovation, as a brand, has been replaced with trepidation. It's Cooperish, from the Septembers to the Novembers.

 
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THE SITUATIONAL: None of This is True​

By Ramzy Nasrallah on December 18, 2024 at 1:15 pm @ramzy
Ohio State wide receiver Jeremiah Smith (4) celebrates a touchdown against Michigan during the first half at Ohio Stadium in Columbus, Ohio on Saturday, Nov. 30, 2024.

© Andrew Nelles / The Tennessean & Junfu Han / USA TODAY NETWORK via Imagn Images
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Ohio State hired two-time national championship winning coach Urban Meyer 13 years ago. A vocal minority of Buckeye fans had concerns.
First among them was his style of play. However effective it may have been in Gainesville, the spread betrayed Ohio State's legacy and fight song lyrics. The elder wing was fearful the Buckeyes would pivot to some trendy warm-weather 7-on-7 variant. We would forget who we were!
Power spread with Braxton Miller and Carlos Hyde behind a ferocious OL erased their anxiety. Going 12-0 with a postseason ban as the destination was also pacifying. This is fine.
Second, Urban's Florida Gators were famously messy off the field, save for the Heisman pastor he had at quarterback for four seasons. Jim Tressel had just threaded the needle for building rosters containing dudes you would want as sons-in-law with guys who have a precise number of screws loose. Complementary football.
That optimized mix of saints and heathens served Ohio State well. Meyer's starting quarterback for most of his Columbus tenure - one of those son-in-law guys, ironically - picked up an OVI during a bye weekend. Non-football related trouble involving one of his assistants ultimately got him suspended in his final season.
Otherwise, Meyer's rosters were boy scout troops by comparison to what he had in Gainesville. Outcomes overwhelmed the hiccups and concerns. This is fine, we'll keep this.
Third, and it was a poorly kept secret - Urban burns dangerously hot. He sent himself to the ER at Florida and into premature retirement. There was little reason to believe he could be the Knute Rockniest version of himself in Columbus without stepping into predictable health hazards.
Day's winning percentage is almost the same as Meyer's when you look at their records, similar to how lead is almost gold when you look at the periodic table.
Of course his shelf life was under constant assault. It was still a de-risked head coaching hire. Buckeye fans got a gruesome firsthand look at what his Gators could do.
It turned out Ohio State's style of play didn't matter at all, just as long as it accompanied a committed identity with triumphant results. Tresselball was often maddening, but the success was undeniable. We had seen how John Cooper's teams looked like they were playing a different sport in September and October than they downshifted into each November.
That was not okay. It would never be okay. That level of good enough was unacceptable. Thirteen years of debating what good enough looked like was solved by Tressel and confirmed by Meyer.
The closest the Buckeyes came to a troubling identity shift post-Coop was during the middle of Meyer's tenure, when he fell in love with the numbers advantage presented by the quarterback running the ball. He brought in a brave and innovative young offensive coach who turned that conservative predictability around quickly.
Urban's play-calling turtling cost his teams a couple of Michigan State games, but the Buckeyes still beat Michigan every single year and went to Indianapolis almost every season. That made it forgivable. Outcomes uber alles, but please figure out who you are because we want to enjoy watching this, too.
Ohio State had been an unmysterious, relentlessly demanding fan base for over a century - but we actually learned something new about ourselves during the Meyer Era: Just Win The Game. Secure opportunities every type of title. Acquire jewelry. Run the conference. The rest is just details.
Regression of style points was permissible if the trophy cases were still being expanded. Woody did a fair bit of that too, but the style-of-play catalog back then was limited.
That realization over the past decade created a wider berth for his successor, who had no head coaching experience but quickly transformed Meyer's security blanket offense in a single season.
And now we are here, four seasons removed from any jewelry or conference title game appearances. The raison d'être for Ryan Day's ascendance has since dissolved. Innovation, as a brand, has been replaced with trepidation. It's Cooperish, from the Septembers to the Novembers.

GPA… @Ramzy

where and how in the world do you keep coming with these lines? their records are almost the same “similar to how lead is almost gold when you look at the periodic table.”

damn you… like that’s now permanently latched onto my brain. like forever.
 
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GPA… @Ramzy

where and how in the world do you keep coming with these lines? their records are almost the same “similar to how lead is almost gold when you look at the periodic table.”

damn you… like that’s now permanently latched onto my brain. like forever.
but… there’s a possible positive bit of pop culture symbolism here…

“He has a real opportunity to completely flip fan cynicism over the next month, starting with Saturday.”

he has the opportunity to boldly prove to us, like the inimitable carl spackler, that the “turd floating in the water” is actually a tasty baby ruth candy bar.
 
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but… there’s a possible positive bit of pop culture symbolism here…

“He has a real opportunity to completely flip fan cynicism over the next month, starting with Saturday.”

he has the opportunity to boldly prove to us, like the inimitable carl spackler, that the “turd floating in the water” is actually a tasty baby ruth candy bar.

"Starting with" Saturday is the key.

He can't just beat Tennessee and all is forgotten (I actually feel like he will win this one).
 
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