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2023 tCun Shenanigans, Arguments, Cobras, Feckless Marmots, Fake Pandas, Dirty Cheaters

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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
I didn't read that particularly carefully, but nothing I read in that post suggests to me the OP knows how to construe the relevant language legally.
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Captain Buckeye said:


Man I don’t know… all the sudden I have a feeling they’re going to get off on a technicality
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Yeah after reading through the thread there’s other lawyers saying this is silly (the guy who posted this is not a lawyer but claims his wife is lol).

The main issue people are saying with this poster who seemed fairly competent is there’s normally implied law as well which prevents these kinds of loopholes. So that would cover the loophole of there needing to be exact language that a third party can’t just do all of this. Which I agree with now that I think of it. Because if scouting is against the rules then why would it be okay for someone to do it for them.
 
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Captain Buckeye said:
Yeah after reading through the thread there’s other lawyers saying this is silly (the guy who posted this is not a lawyer but claims his wife is lol).

The main issue people are saying with this poster who seemed fairly competent is there’s normally implied law as well which prevents these kinds of loopholes. So that would cover the loophole of there needing to be exact language that a third party can’t just do all of this. Which I agree with now that I think of it. Because if scouting is against the rules then why would it be okay for someone to do it for them.
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The same reason teams can't pay a third party to recruit for them during dead periods...
 
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sflbuck said:
This guy did this over at Bucknuts and admitted he had no expertise except that he was "human and he could read" (actual quote). Lots of people over there took this apart as well. (including me)

I don't want to underestimate the NCAA's ability to screw this up, but if you were around any OSU website (except Buckeye Planet) for Tatgate, there were many OSU bloggers that parsed the NCAA rule book and came up with reasons why Tressel did not break any rules. How did that work out? It didn't happen at Buckeye Planet because ORD knocked anyone who tried into next week.

Also you need to ask yourself why, in the weeks since this scandal has come to light, not a single news source except fanboy websites have made this amazing discovery that technically, no violation occurred. That seems like a pretty big oversight for large media organizations with access to resources including experts on NCAA rules.
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Yeah totally agreed.

Few things that were pointed out is the 3rd party hired was eventually only for private use so there’s issues with that as well.

I’m a little confused on the recording signals part. Anyone have any insight on that?
 
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Captain Buckeye said:
I’m a little confused on the recording signals part. Anyone have any insight on that?
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My IANAL, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night take from following the reports is that there is an explicit rule preventing this in game, but not from the stands at other teams games. However, that doesn’t make it not against the rules because they shouldn’t need a rule preventing it other games because no one should have the opportunity to use electronic devices there because they shouldn’t be there.

It will take teams of lawyers and six or seven figures to get to the bottom of how the rules as written should be applied.
 
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After the hourly updates we got last week, it was bound to slow down

The slow down of the information will be interpreted by some to mean that TCUN are going to get away with it

My only take on that right now is that, for several reasons, the resolution of this is unknowable. We don't have enough information to state anything confidently right now (about what WILL happen)

Can we say with confidence that not hammering TCUN would be monumentally stupid on a number of levels?

Absolutely

But we cannot, IMHO, state with confidence that the powers that be won't be stupid

Nor am I saying I think they WILL BE stupid.

Quite the opposite. I'm NOT making a prediction; my whole point is that it is too early for predictions.

But let's not be among those (and there will be many), who treat a LACK of information as if that were information. In this case, it is not. If anything, the slow down was predictable.

(Now please prove me wrong and announce a death penalty for TCUN some time this week)
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
Agreed, IF the tCun scandal is strictly about sign stealing.

If, as I strongly suspect, person(s) inside the tCun program with knowledge of the sign stealing used that information to bet on tCun to cover, then you've got a cheating scandal combined with a point fixing scandal, which would be the worst sports scandal ever.

Many of you are wondering why the Big Ten seems to be moving slowly here. The typical responses – due process, gathering evidence, tCun stonewalling, bureaucratic inefficiency – all play a part. However, keep in mind that there is at least one ongoing criminal investigation concerning tCun. If one (or more) of those investigations involves the actions of the football team in general (say point fixing or stealing data from an opponent's cloud server) as opposed to the actions of a former staff member in particular (say CSAM or stealing personal electronic data from an individual's laptop), then the Big Ten (and the NCAA and the University of Michigan) will be reluctant (if not outright prohibited) to take any action that could jeopardize said criminal investigation(s).

DISCLAIMER: The above scenario is NOT based on actual knowledge.
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And even if nobody on Simple Jim's staff was taking advantage of what they knew was going on to make a few bucks, Vegas loathes uncertainty and shady shit that they can't take into account in the line. They literally set and adjust lines because they want exactly 50% of the action on each side, so they have zero risk and just Hoover up the vig. So unless they had inside info about what Simple Jim was up to and could adjust for it, what Simple Jim was up to fucked big time with their business model. As I've said before, it's a damned shame that Vegas isn't being run from a dive bar in Chicago anymore. Because if it were, Simple Jim might be facing some "sanctions" of which the NCAA couldn't dream.
 
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CMic said:
I still believe there will a significant announcement to disposition this year before the end of the week.
Something like "no post-season this year" and "Harbaugh suspended for rest of year".
I do believe they'll continue to play the rest of the year.
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Absolutely, they play the rest of the regular schedule. Ohio State-tsun will, as always, be the highest rated game of the season and equal a top NFL matchup. It will also draw NFL level action in Vegas. No chance that the networks and Vegas allow it to not go off.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
Agreed, IF the tCun scandal is strictly about sign stealing.

If, as I strongly suspect, person(s) inside the tCun program with knowledge of the sign stealing used that information to bet on tCun to cover, then you've got a cheating scandal combined with a point fixing scandal, which would be the worst sports scandal ever.

Many of you are wondering why the Big Ten seems to be moving slowly here. The typical responses – due process, gathering evidence, tCun stonewalling, bureaucratic inefficiency – all play a part. However, keep in mind that there is at least one ongoing criminal investigation concerning tCun. If one (or more) of those investigations involves the actions of the football team in general (say point fixing or stealing data from an opponent's cloud server) as opposed to the actions of a former staff member in particular (say CSAM or stealing personal electronic data from an individual's laptop), then the Big Ten (and the NCAA and the University of Michigan) will be reluctant (if not outright prohibited) to take any action that could jeopardize said criminal investigation(s).

DISCLAIMER: The above scenario is NOT based on actual knowledge.
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From your lips to God's ears.
 
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