2023 tCun Shenanigans, Arguments, Cobras, Feckless Marmots, Fake Pandas, Dirty Cheaters

[Merih]

I am wondering what impact that this will have on their 2023 team moving forward. I think they have a pretty solid team, even without all the sign stealing (which makes this whole thing even sillier). They have arguably become reliant on the use of Stalion's stuff, that they may have to alter the way they have to map out a game plan for rest of the year, and how they coach the team moving forward. This far into a season, I don't know how this doesn't have some sort of impact on their coaching.

Their only saving grace may be their joke of a schedule, and that other teams have their own malting issues, such as OSU and UGA.

I think it throws their prep off for the week. Usually it takes a day or two to identify and scheme against tendencies, then you work on execution vs tendencies. I think they’ve been able to skip the first step basically. I would bet they look less prepared

I would also bet that teams are going to be more willing to work outside of their tendencies than they would have otherwise

I think you see more big plays given up, more getting caught by surprise, more not getting off the field in critical situations. Not a complete fall off but noticeable dip

 

[Jake]

No doubt he got roasted by the rest of the DFBIA for saying this.

 

[LovelandBuckeye]

No doubt he got roasted by the rest of the DFBIA for saying this.

Hahaha

 

[osuvictory1]

They should be more worried about what the B1G and CFP do than the NCAA right now. The B1G could nuke the rest of their season and the CFP could decide to black ball them for the sake of not having to ultimately possibly have a vacated title situation.

I am going with the assumption that nothing will be resolved as quick as people think, but eventually will get resolved. So with that, I think they have to change up some things now going forward.

 

[LovelandBuckeye]

Well, my tight pants have returned.

 

[osuvictory1]

I think it throws their prep off for the week. Usually it takes a day or two to identify and scheme against tendencies, then you work on execution vs tendencies. I think they’ve been able to skip the first step basically. I would bet they look less prepared

I would also bet that teams are going to be more willing to work outside of their tendencies than they would have otherwise

I think you see more big plays given up, more getting caught by surprise, more not getting off the field in critical situations. Not a complete fall off but noticeable dip

Yep, there will be no safety net when there needs to be a measured guess by the staff.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

I actually think their defense will be mostly fine. It's McCarthy who is going to hamper them. We saw it against TCU last year and against Bowling Green earlier this year. He can struggle hard when he's not aware of what the defense will be. And they've got RBs who aren't necessarily as dynamic as they think they are and when they can't audible into a play based on the stolen defensive signs, they don't really gash anyone.

I don't know about that. Knowing what we're going to run and being able to commit 100% on the snap was huge for them the last two years. Without that advantage, I see MHJ, Egbuka and Stover carving these punks.

 

[1926Buckeyes]

Not only do we get a laundry list of rules Michigan broke that will likely result in league and NCAA punishment, we learn the mastermind responsible for developing and leading the scheme has a “Michigan Manifesto.”

The only way this gets better is if the FOIA request drops an email between Harbaugh and his OCs or the Michigan Man-ifesto himself acknowledging and encouraging the system.

The ultimate of ultimates is the manifesto becoming public and we realize that Harbaugh had added chapters himself.

I am wondering what impact that this will have on their 2023 team moving forward. I think they have a pretty solid team, even without all the sign stealing (which makes this whole thing even sillier). They have arguably become reliant on the use of Stalion's stuff, that they may have to alter the way they have to map out a game plan for rest of the year, and how they coach the team moving forward. This far into a season, I don't know how this doesn't have some sort of impact on their coaching.

Their only saving grace may be their joke of a schedule, and that other teams have their own malting issues, such as OSU and UGA.

At this point, I'm not sure you can run either side of the ball effectively without sign stealing. Obviously they have their scheme and plays, but are the coordinators doing any adaptation independent of being tipped by signs? What will they do when the other team audibles and no one is there to tell them the call? Minter doesn't have a good track record. The only reason he was hired was his connection to Baltimore, and I assume being in the Harbaugh circle of trust. At the least, they'll struggle to get their calls in quickly, have substitution issues, and get gashed due to them guessing instead of having a real plan.

The problem is, this system has been worked on and perfected for 2.5 years now, and they have 7-8 weeks of signals already. Even if you take away their footage and binders, they know enough to have someone stand there and tip them off enough to change the game. You can't have a fair game with them until they suspend or fire the coordinators and staff intertwined with this cheating scheme. I get why MSU threatened to not play. Sure they were going to lose, but there's a difference between being outmatched and having no chance because they know exactly what you're running. Is the game tape even worth reviewing?

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

No doubt he got roasted by the rest of the DFBIA for saying this.

The rule that you're not allowed to cheat by intercepting the signals as they come in from the sideline* is silly? The advantage gained of knowing exactly what the play is before it has been run is minimal? These fucking guys, man.


*I know that's not the rule, I simplified it to make a point

 

[sg86]

I don't know about that. Knowing what we're going to run and being able to commit 100% on the snap was huge for them the last two years. Without that advantage, I see MHJ, Egbuka and Stover carving these punks.

Their defense has gotten worse, but so has our line. I don't think they're suffocating by any means, but I think they have more ability to stay at least competent than the offense does.

 

[Jake]

Nice

 

[dragurd]

Their defense has gotten worse, but so has our line. I don't think they're suffocating by any means, but I think they have more ability to stay at least competent than the offense does.

Yeah I could see a game like Penn State against them. Where if McCord is better it could be a blowout.

Also Hilariously one of their more measured YouTube guys is normal on most everything but convinced we blew up Don Brown cause we knew his signs not that he just blitzed and played man on people he couldn't cover with Man repeatedly

 

[Oh8ch]

The Josh Pate video above is the best reasoning I have seen on this so far. Particularly for those who keep focuing on stolen signs being used during games - which is a non-issue. The best analogy for this is insider training. It isn't about what you knew of how you used the info - it is about how you came by that info.

I also agree with Pate that the actions of the selection committee may be the most interesting to watch. The NCAA does not control the playoffs. And if UM goes to the playoffs they will have an opportunity to win a NC that will effectively have been vacated before the game is played. Nobody wants that (well, other than the bozos of course).

As for the UM fans, what amuses me most is that they are screaming about leaks and how nothing has been proven while simultaneously claiming that Ryan Day is behind it all WITH NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER.

The Big did not warn upcoming opponents about this on a whim. That warning was a clear accusation against which there has been no push back from Michigan that I am aware of. If there was nothing there UM should have gone absolutely ape shit. Instead we got a carefully worded denial. When the NCAA meets with UM next week (I believe) that University has a very interessting decision to make. If the evidence is clear, and if they want to continue to claim that they are among the righteous, it could be UM who proactively pulls the plug. Otherwise they expose themselves as simply another SEC wannabe.

 

[Captain Buckeye]

Their defense has gotten worse, but so has our line. I don't think they're suffocating by any means, but I think they have more ability to stay at least competent than the offense does.

Their secondary did but their front 7 is pretty damn tough to run on.

The rule that you're not allowed to cheat by intercepting the signals as they come in from the sideline* is silly? The advantage gained of knowing exactly what the play is before it has been run is minimal? These fucking guys, man.


*I know that's not the rule, I simplified it to make a point

that’s what’s been so frustrating to hear. So many stating that everyone does it and you still have to execute.

Like if you have a general idea where the ball is going? That’s such an enormous advantage. Anyone supporting them just isn’t grasping what this is. Corruption and game fixing. That’s essentially what this is.

 

[BB73]

That "Michigan Manifesto" crap seems like some psycho obsessive and delusional shit. This kid is off his rocker.

Didn’t Ted Kaczynski also have a “Michigan Manifesto”?

Edit - ORD had this earlier