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2023 tCun Shenanigans, Arguments, Cobras, Feckless Marmots, Fake Pandas, Dirty Cheaters

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I am just outright confused by many in the mainstream media thinking this is not a big deal.

We are literally talking about gaining an advantage on the football field and somehow this isn’t a problem and it’s “everyone does it” or “it was that Joe Moore offensive line not sign stealing” or finally it’s “well technically the staffer didn’t go to the games”.

That’s not even accounting for Clay Travis and Cowherd thinkings it’s also not a big deal.

Like what the fuck are we talking about here
 
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I am just outright confused by many in the mainstream media thinking this is not a big deal.

We are literally talking about gaining an advantage on the football field and somehow this isn’t a problem and it’s “everyone does it” or “it was that Joe Moore offensive line not sign stealing” or finally it’s “well technically the staffer didn’t go to the games”.

That’s not even accounting for Clay Travis and Cowherd thinkings it’s also not a big deal.

Like what the fuck are we talking about here
Yep. This cuts right to the integrity of the games and the Vegas lines. Simple Jim's apologists in the dfbia and media can spin all they want. I have to believe that the scope of what's involved here is being taken very seriously by the ncaa, B1G and Vegas.

Tressel lying to keep his stars eligible definitely gave an advantage, but it was an indirect one. Those players still had to go out and win a fair game. What Simple Jim has been doing is cheating to get a direct advantage over the outcome of the games. Essentially, to make the games unfair on a core level.
 
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Guys, he is just a low level staffer shooting the shit with the DC in the middle of their biggest game of the year.

I love how there are 2 defenders leaning into the run to that side of the field before stroud even looks to his left.
This is in addition to the other 2 defenders that are there to cover the 2 receivers.
Do they think the players didn’t know what was going on when the coach is telling them to abandon their responsibilities presnap?
 
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Here are the three issues involved with the Michigan cheating scandal: (1) what to do about the past; (2) what to do about the future; and (3) how to get a quick resolution.

(1) The only team that was truly damaged in this scandal was Ohio State, whose loss to Michigan in 2021 cost them the Big Ten Title Game and a chance for the Playoffs; and whose loss in 2022 cost them the Big Ten Title Game; Michigan's opponents in those Big Ten Title Games were also potentially damaged, if those teams were "scouted" during the season. Nothing, not even forfeiting games can make Ohio State whole; vacating games would make Iowa the Big Ten champs for 2021 and Purdue for 2022.

(2) The Big Ten has real problem on its hands – the reputation of the league and the integrity of its brand are in jeopardy. Most immediately, there are two Big Ten teams – Ohio State and Penn State – that have a legitimate chance to make the Playoffs this season, with Ohio State's invitation being nearly guaranteed if they beat Michigan. There are also obvious issues with the league's "gambling partners" and with state and federal gaming regulators (what Michigan was doing was essentially a "reverse point shaving" scheme, see more below), not to mention the four powerful new members who now may not want to bring their huge media markets into a tainted league. And of course, the existing members (especially Ohio State, who suffered the most) are extremely pissed off and out for blood. The Big Ten does owe Michigan some "due process", but if the league really has the damning evidence of cheating then it needs to do something before things get really out of hand.

(3) The only way to get a quick resolution is to get Michigan to "plea bargain". Show them the smoking gun(s), make them an offer they can't refuse. What would that be? In my opinion, it would be something like this: (a) Michigan vacates all 33 wins from the 2021, 2022, and 2023 season up to this point; (b) Michigan forfeits all future games this season (those games would not be played at all); (c) Michigan fires all football coaches, and all staffers who might have had knowledge of this scheme; and (d) Harbaugh and the coordinators receive lifetime bans from coaching at Big Ten schools. In that scenario, Michigan wins a little bit – their "cheated" wins are vacated not forfeited, and they don't suffer any scholarship reductions or future bowl bans. The Big Ten also wins a bit because they prevent their "cheating" program from interfering with their flagship program's current playoff chances and they avoid any future embarrassment that would result from Michigan potentially winning an NC that would end up being vacated or forfeited; in addition, they have the "good look" of being proactive and meting out swift justice.

So, why did Michigan do this? Yes, to beat Ohio State, win Big Ten titles, and go to the playoffs. But why scout Purdue, Indiana, Rutgers, and the rest of the Big Ten bottom dwellers? Did Michigan really need an extra advantage to beat those teams? Was it simple paranoia? Were they scouting the bums to perfect their sign stealing system against MSU, PSU, and OSU? Or was something else going on here? As mentioned earlier in this thread, over the last three seasons, Michigan is 17-5-1 against the spread versus Big Ten teams, including 4-0-1 this year to date. It looks to me like Michigan was running what I will call a "reverse point shaving" scheme, where instead of "playing down" to bad competition to keep games close (within the spread) they were "cheating up" to cover the spread. Follow the money, folks. If someone affiliated the Michigan program won lots of cash betting on Michigan to cover, then this could get really ugly (like Federal pen ugly).

Just some thoughts to brighten your morning.
So if they have to forfeit their wins i didn’t realize the west teams would then be big ten champs. If I bet on Purdue last year to be big ten champs at 1000 to 1 odds, can I go get that money? :lol: :lol:
 
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I am just outright confused by many in the mainstream media thinking this is not a big deal.

We are literally talking about gaining an advantage on the football field and somehow this isn’t a problem and it’s “everyone does it” or “it was that Joe Moore offensive line not sign stealing” or finally it’s “well technically the staffer didn’t go to the games”.

That’s not even accounting for Clay Travis and Cowherd thinkings it’s also not a big deal.

Like what the fuck are we talking about here
I think much of it comes down to some believing it's a dog eat dog world, and that some of this is gamesmanship. We are more emotionally involved because our team was effected by this.

Mike Valenti has a pretty good take on it as always.
 
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///PURE SPECULATION///

Also, possibly unrelated but I wouldn’t bet on that and I’m going to spit ball here because it’s a message board, Michigan Co-Offensive Coordinator Matt Weiss was terminated in January 2023 after “computer access crimes” as he was found to had “inappropriately accessed” accounts. He was at Michigan for 2 years.

There’s a lot of “probably” going forward but I wouldn’t be surprised if he accessed Connor Stalion’s account. Imagine, just getting promoted to role of co-offensive coordinator after a lifetime of hard work, only to find out that this twenty-something recruiting assistant has not only the ears of the head coach and other offensive coordinators, but has also become a vital asset to the success of the team. I’d be a little nervous and a lot envious - 3 is company on the offensive play calling side.
Weiss probably saw that Stalions had a treasure trove of data on his computer and probably saw how it helped Michigan get ahead.

Somewhat concerned for his own longevity in the position, Weiss probably accessed Stalions account - via a keylogger, phishing, or simply by deception - and left a trail - a zip file, a download, a sent email, a receipt (email system track location by IP and time logged in) - which triggered the university to investigate.

I would be surprised if this happened and he didn’t file himself as a whistleblower, but maybe he was taken care of or he was afraid he would be tarnished.

There are no coincidences.

I think that it could be even simpler than that: He got canned and ratted out of spite.
 
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I am just outright confused by many in the mainstream media thinking this is not a big deal.

We are literally talking about gaining an advantage on the football field and somehow this isn’t a problem and it’s “everyone does it” or “it was that Joe Moore offensive line not sign stealing” or finally it’s “well technically the staffer didn’t go to the games”.

That’s not even accounting for Clay Travis and Cowherd thinkings it’s also not a big deal.

Like what the fuck are we talking about here
They did the same thing with the Patriots and their cheating ways. Deflated balls gave Brady an advantage. Spygate gave the team an advantage.

The direction our country is headed in (with things already appearing to be fixed in professional sports for years fwiw) what will a Socialist/Communist dictator do with sports but make certain the only ones who win it all are the ones the regime wants to win? If media wants to stay in the regimes good graces they better learn fast to be hypocrites and look the other way.

It's been desensitization up to this point and it will probably get much worse.
 
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