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2022 tOSU Offense

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dragurd said:
Yeah there are 3 options here. They're stupid, they're stubborn, or they are setting something up. Over the last few years I think it's safe to rule out 1. stupid. That leaves us with Stubborn or setting something up. There is evidence for the latter even though every fan always loves to claim that with no evidence.

I just hope it's not stubbornness over trying to prove TSUNs soft comments last year wrong. Do what you do. Do what the defense wants you to do. Don't force Tressel ball to prove you can when something else would be more effective.
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I definitely don't think they're stupid. And, honestly, it's okay to be stubborn against Iowa. Maybe even some against Penn State (though they were stubborn for too long if that's the case).

I don't know why they're stubbornly being so predictable that everyone knows what's coming just from the formation they line up in, but every single offensive coach has individually forgotten more about play calling and football than I'll ever know, so I trust they know what they're doing.

It's frustrating to watch though.
 
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Abenaki said:
I definitely don't think they're stupid. And, honestly, it's okay to be stubborn against Iowa. Maybe even some against Penn State (though they were stubborn for too long if that's the case).

I don't know why they're stubbornly being so predictable that everyone knows what's coming just from the formation they line up in, but every single offensive coach has individually forgotten more about play calling and football than I'll ever know, so I trust they know what they're doing.

It's frustrating to watch though.
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I think a lot of it may be stubbornness honestly...maybe not because of trying to establish toughness, but more so coaches loving the concept of certain plays and not being able to let go of it when it isn't working. In our games leading up to PSU, we probably were trying to set up future plays but PSU is not the game to be "setting up" plays. That is the game you run what you've been setting up, then maybe set up some new things against NW, Indiana and Maryland before the Game. Part of it may be the coaches believing if we don't establish the run and mix it up, we're not going to be able to beat scUM, UGA, Bama, etc. at the top.

Whatever it is, the vertical passing game and intermediate middle of the field throws are working. Who cares if the defense knows that is coming, that is what works. I know you can't do that EVERY play but I am serious in saying do it 80% of the time and that may set up the run and the other stuff the staff has been so adamant on running. And if they don't stop the passing game down field, then freaking keep running. Yards are yards, points are points and wins are wins.

I will say this, they are being incredibly predictable as you said, the defense knew exactly what was coming on the screen pass, which has worked some in the past if you get the blocks. But that toss to the short side of the field has never worked since the dawn of time for any team, there is no room for the RB and the defenders are all clustered into the short side. It reminds me of when we used to run that speed option to the short side of the field before Day ever got here and it never worked, but we still kept doing it. You can run it to that side of the field on the interior gaps, but not a toss to the perimeter, everyone is going to catch you before you get to the line.
 
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I am hoping that by the time The Game gets here, Day will have some formations that have 2 different play calls as options based on the defensive formation, and let CJ decide. Line up, see what the defense looks like, and either go right away with the first option or have CJ flash a check-with-me audible and then run the other option. Stroud should be able to handle that level of complexity, especially if it’s done for only 5 or 10 situations. It of course requires everybody to know both options and recognize if CJ is switching to the second one.

I know the defense will sometimes show one look and then shift at the snap. But I’d like to see a play sometimes run immediately if the initial look seems OK, rather than almost always having the entire team look to the sideline to see what the coaches think. Because the defense can show a look, and then shift it after the Buckeyes have looked to the sideline, giving them a better chance of matching up to what’s about to be run.

And hopefully there’s sufficient self-scouting going on to prevent the defense from being able to identify what’s coming most of the time based on formation.
 
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BB73 said:
I am hoping that by the time The Game gets here, Day will have some formations that have 2 different play calls as options based on the defensive formation, and let CJ decide. Line up, see what the defense looks like, and either go right away with the first option or have CJ flash a check-with-me audible and then run the other option. Stroud should be able to handle that level of complexity, especially if it’s done for only 5 or 10 situations. It of course requires everybody to know both options and recognize if CJ is switching to the second one.

I know the defense will sometimes show one look and then shift at the snap. But I’d like to see a play sometimes run immediately if the initial look seems OK, rather than almost always having the entire team look to the sideline to see what the coaches think. Because the defense can show a look, and then shift it after the Buckeyes have looked to the sideline, giving them a better chance of matching up to what’s about to be run.

And hopefully there’s sufficient self-scouting going on to prevent the defense from being able to identify what’s coming most of the time based on formation.
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And my post will show why we're fans and not the coaches, but to me it seems CJ is really confused and doesn't read what's in front of him before the snap. Prime example is the last play of the 2nd half where there is no scenario that CJ double pumps, gets sacked, and fumbles... play call has to be back shoulder throw or fade immediately and if you miss, take the FG. If the coaches didn't give that clear instruction, that's on them. If not it's on CJ.

Point is I don't know if CJ is ready for pseudo running our offense, he doesn't look like Peyton or Brady out there understanding stuff on the fly. Extreme examples, I know nobody is, but I'm just not confident in his pre-snap diagnoses when he changes up the call constantly, whereas when he rips it on the play called more than 2 yards down field he seems to be on point. That may be on the coaches for all I know, but sometimes we just look uncomfortable in our own skin when we don't just call the play and run it.
 
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Passing Yards
  1. C.J. Stroud, Ohio State - 2,377
  2. Aidan O’Connell, Purdue - 2,270
  3. Connor Bazelak, Indiana - 2,099
Passing Touchdowns
  1. C.J. Stroud, Ohio State - 29
  2. Graham Mertz, Wisconsin - 17
  3. Sean Clifford, Penn State - 16
Passing Efficiency
  1. C.J. Stroud, Ohio State - 200.2
  2. J.J. McCarthy, Michigan - 164.5
  3. Graham Mertz, Wisconsin - 159.6
Rushing Yards
  1. Chase Brown, Illinois - 1,208
  2. Blake Corum, Michigan - 1,078
  3. Mohamed Ibrahim, Minnesota - 955
(Ohio State’s leader: TreVeyon Henderson - 552 — 10th)

Rushing Touchdowns
  1. Blake Corum, Michigan - 14
  2. Mohamed Ibrahim, Minnesota - 13
  3. Miyan Williams, Ohio State - 10
Yards Per Carry (min. 50 attempts)
  1. Miyan Williams, Ohio State - 6.9
  2. Donovan Edwards, Michigan - 6.6
  3. Roman Hemby, Maryland - 6.5
Receiving Yards
  1. Charlie Jones, Purdue - 840
  2. Emeka Egbuka, Ohio State - 788
  3. Marvin Harrison Jr., Ohio State - 783
Receiving Touchdowns
  1. Marvin Harrison Jr., Ohio State - 10
  2. Charlie Jones, Purdue - 9
  3. Emeka Egbuka, Ohio State - 7
Receptions
  1. Charlie Jones, Purdue - 72
  2. Isaiah Williams, Illinois - 56
  3. Marvin Harrison Jr., Ohio State - 48
Team Stats - Scoring Offense
  1. Ohio State - 48.9 PPG
  2. Michigan - 41.0 PPG
  3. Maryland - 34.1 PPG
Team Stats - Total Offense
  1. Ohio State - 509.3 YPG
  2. Michigan - 469.8 YPG
  3. Maryland - 454.4 YPG
 
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I have Ryan Day's full quote now:

“There’s nothing that’s just glaring, like, ‘Oh, my God, we can’t run the ball outside, or we can’t block these guys, or we can’t read the hole.’ It sounds like loser talk, but it’s true. It was one guy on each play, but that’s how it works in football. We can clean it up, and we have to clean it up to get more efficient early in a game.”
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https://www.cleveland.com/osu/2022/...s-struggling-but-does-it-actually-matter.html
 
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Bottom line
The tight end play this year is interesting because it is, to my untutored eye, unusual. Ryan Day has obviously tailored the position to suit his passing offense and, more importantly, to suit the personnel that he has available to him at the position. As this group moves on and more traditional tight ends join the action, I will be curious to see how the players are used.
 
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RuGettinIt said:
Would like to know what Alford discusses with the RBs when watching film. Seems like both Trevyon and Miyan just dance way too much. Need these guys to hit the hole fast and hard. I felt like that was Miyan’s strength at one time.
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Agreed. And at times I was hoping they’d put in Hayden, because he for damn sure does that!
 
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I never really thought Williams danced much if at all up until today. He looked different today than he has at any point in the season and I really doubt NW scared him or something. He hasn’t looked that timid at the LOS since I don’t know when.

I don’t know if the knee and hand both bothering him or what, but that wasn’t the Miyan I’ve seen.
 
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