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2022 Rose Bowl, tOSU vs Utah, Jan 1st @ 5pm EST, ESPN

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Bucklion said:
I’d care if bowl games mattered anymore…but they don’t.
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I disagree the bowl games (especially a major one like the Rose Bowl) still do matter to the coaches/players, students, alumni, fans, Ohio State's football history, and to the BIG.

Maybe in the life of 1 player or 2 looking to be a high NFL draft pick and not wanting to risk an injury, a bowl game may not matter to him (or his agent); however, in the overall scheme of things the Rose Bowl does matter.

Besides some of the obvious things like bragging rights, opportunity for some players being able to improve their NFL draft position, sending the Seniors out on a winning note, positive exposure for recruiting, and the additional money for the school and conference, etc. there is the opportunity for the additional practices to prepare the team for 2022 season.



Yeah, it doesn't matter nearly as much as a CFP game; however, winning the Rose Bowl is still a significant achievement for any college football team. If it doesn't matter why would you even watch the game? I'm betting that the game really does matter to you and you'll be watching it with the rest of us.
 
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Sure it matters, but how much, and for which team?

I have always enjoyed betting Bowl Games. For one, I usually make quite a bit of money. And two, as unpredictable as bowl games seem to be, there are always a few factors to consider that seem to hold true year after year:

Which team is excited to be there and which team is disappointed that they aren't playing somewhere else? How did the two teams end their seasons? Outcomes vs common opponents? Style of play and match-ups..... strengths vs. weaknesses? Coaching changes or end of season distractions/opt outs? Where is the game being played?

Then I would consider the actual spread

The better team doesn't always win, but the team that is the most hungry and motivated usually does.

Give me the Utes and the points (+6.5).
 
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Bucklion said:
I’d care if bowl games mattered anymore…but they don’t.
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By this same logic, retroactivity applied when the title game was out of reach, means that in the last 20 years...

- 2004 Fiesta Win v KState didn't matter
- 2006 Fiesta Win v Notre Dame didnt matter
- 2010 Rose Bowl win v Oregon didnt matter
-2011 Sugar Bowl win v Arky didn't matter
-2016 Fiesta win v Notre Dame didn't matter
- 2019 Rose Bowl win v Wash didn't matter

So on and so forth. You could also include things like the 97' Rose bowl and 99 Sugar Bowl.

Expanding on this logic further, is basically saying that any game once a team is mathematically eliminated from title contention doesn't matter/meaningless. Therefore seniors and opting juniors should probably sit out if they're looking at a top 100 pick.

In turn...

The Game 04
The Game 05
The Game 08
The Game 09
I'll leave out The Game 2010 because there were some potential upsets that could have made it likely.
The Game 2011
The Game 2012
The Game 2015
I'll stop there...

It would imply all those matchups with ttun could be lumped in the same category - "doesn't matter."

The counter argument might be "Oh, well that's the regular season". So what? The post-season is what you play for, therefore it is every much a part of the entirety of the season as the rest of the games on the schedule.

This whole "bowl games don't matter anymore" should have been prevalent the whole time. The playoff format didn't magically make them somehow "meaningless". And if it did, then I ask, was the playoff format worth the loss?

Or... hear me out on this. The word "meaningless" and/or the phrase "doesn't matter" are both being incredibly incorrectly and overused re: this topic.

There are few things in this life that are truly meaningless. Go back and ask those players from 97 or 09 if those Rose Bowl wins somehow just didn't matter.

Contributing to the collective, this thing bigger than us, the team, tOSU, its history, this line of greatness we wish to see continue and, most importantly, this brotherhood (word) that we are so often told our football team is founded on should in no way be constructed as not mattering. Even for a single game IMHO, but most especially something grand such as The Rose Bowl.



College football is... was...special. Special because it wasn't like the NFL where it was entirely about business. There is a history, a pageantry, a bond about it unlike professional football.

I won't lie when I say I feel we're losing sight of that to an extent. Fans especially.
 
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"Doesn't matter", to me, is because we lost The Game, not because it isn't the playoffs.

So, do any of the Bowl games we played in during the Cooper years really matter? The Rose Bowl was special but other than that did anyone ever look forward to them with great anticipation? To each their own but I never did (probably because I knew that worthless fucking loser Cooper was going to lose the Bowl too).

This game, even though its a Rose Bowl, is a giant "meh" to me because nothing positive can happen to make me feel any better about this year and nothing negative can happen to make me feel any worse.

Just my .02
 
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Buckeneye said:
College football is... was...special. Special because it wasn't like the NFL where it was entirely about business. There is a history, a pageantry, a bond about it unlike professional football.

I won't lie when I say I feel we're losing sight of that to an extent. Fans especially.
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That's what it is now unfortunately. Many student athletes have no intention of even trying to learn anything, to call them student athletes is a joke. When was the last time you heard of any player being athletically ineligible BTW? The NCAA needs to drop the charade, allow schools to treat their football/basketball teams like minor leagues for the pros, let the players get some of the dough and just be freaking honest about it.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
"Doesn't matter", to me, is because we lost The Game, not because it isn't the playoffs.

So, do any of the Bowl games we played in during the Cooper years really matter? The Rose Bowl was special but other than that did anyone ever look forward to them with great anticipation? To each their own but I never did (probably because I knew that worthless fucking loser Cooper was going to lose the Bowl too).

This game, even though its a Rose Bowl, is a giant "meh" to me because nothing positive can happen to make me feel any better about this year and nothing negative can happen to make me feel any worse.

Just my .02
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Let's hope that it's not a giant heh to the players, that would speak very poorly of their character.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
"Doesn't matter", to me, is because we lost The Game, not because it isn't the playoffs.

So, do any of the Bowl games we played in during the Cooper years really matter? The Rose Bowl was special but other than that did anyone ever look forward to them with great anticipation? To each their own but I never did (probably because I knew that worthless fucking loser Cooper was going to lose the Bowl too).

This game, even though its a Rose Bowl, is a giant "meh" to me because nothing positive can happen to make me feel any better about this year and nothing negative can happen to make me feel any worse.

Just my .02
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And I get that. There is something to be said about the bowl season having an ever-so slightly hollow feel to it if you don't beat *Ichigan. It speaks strongly to just how damn important The Game is.

But I also see the Rose Bowl as a platform to spring from into the off-season and 2022 the right way. An early attitude setting game those days ahead and to remind these coaches, players and fans, there is always another season to make things right. Have to start focusing on it beginning with bowl practices.
 
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ScriptOhio said:
I disagree the bowl games (especially a major one like the Rose Bowl) still do matter to the coaches/players, students, alumni, fans, Ohio State's football history, and to the BIG.

Maybe in the life of 1 player or 2 looking to be a high NFL draft pick and not wanting to risk an injury, a bowl game may not matter to him (or his agent); however, in the overall scheme of things the Rose Bowl does matter.

Besides some of the obvious things like bragging rights, opportunity for some players being able to improve their NFL draft position, sending the Seniors out on a winning note, positive exposure for recruiting, and the additional money for the school and conference, etc. there is the opportunity for the additional practices to prepare the team for 2022 season.



Yeah, it doesn't matter nearly as much as a CFP game; however, winning the Rose Bowl is still a significant achievement for any college football team. If it doesn't matter why would you even watch the game? I'm betting that the game really does matter to you and you'll be watching it with the rest of us.
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Buckeneye said:
By this same logic, retroactivity applied when the title game was out of reach, means that in the last 20 years...

- 2004 Fiesta Win v KState didn't matter
- 2006 Fiesta Win v Notre Dame didnt matter
- 2010 Rose Bowl win v Oregon didnt matter
-2011 Sugar Bowl win v Arky didn't matter
-2016 Fiesta win v Notre Dame didn't matter
- 2019 Rose Bowl win v Wash didn't matter

So on and so forth. You could also include things like the 97' Rose bowl and 99 Sugar Bowl.

Expanding on this logic further, is basically saying that any game once a team is mathematically eliminated from title contention doesn't matter/meaningless. Therefore seniors and opting juniors should probably sit out if they're looking at a top 100 pick.

In turn...

The Game 04
The Game 05
The Game 08
The Game 09
I'll leave out The Game 2010 because there were some potential upsets that could have made it likely.
The Game 2011
The Game 2012
The Game 2015
I'll stop there...

It would imply all those matchups with ttun could be lumped in the same category - "doesn't matter."

The counter argument might be "Oh, well that's the regular season". So what? The post-season is what you play for, therefore it is every much a part of the entirety of the season as the rest of the games on the schedule.

This whole "bowl games don't matter anymore" should have been prevalent the whole time. The playoff format didn't magically make them somehow "meaningless". And if it did, then I ask, was the playoff format worth the loss?

Or... hear me out on this. The word "meaningless" and/or the phrase "doesn't matter" are both being incredibly incorrectly and overused re: this topic.

There are few things in this life that are truly meaningless. Go back and ask those players from 97 or 09 if those Rose Bowl wins somehow just didn't matter.

Contributing to the collective, this thing bigger than us, the team, tOSU, its history, this line of greatness we wish to see continue and, most importantly, this brotherhood (word) that we are so often told our football team is founded on should in no way be constructed as not mattering. Even for a single game IMHO, but most especially something grand such as The Rose Bowl.



College football is... was...special. Special because it wasn't like the NFL where it was entirely about business. There is a history, a pageantry, a bond about it unlike professional football.

I won't lie when I say I feel we're losing sight of that to an extent. Fans especially.
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I’ve been around a long time. I remember when the Rose Bowl actually was “the granddaddy of them all”. The process of diminution has been slow, but it’s been there. You don’t have to like it. You can still say it matters to you. That’s all fine. But you know who cares about winning Rose Bowls now (or “NY6” since the Rose Bowl isn’t even the Rose Bowl some years)? Iowa. Minnesota. Illinois. Washington State. Oregon State. Teams that are happy to be there. That isn’t Ohio State at this moment. Ohio State aims higher. And so, yeah, for teams like Ohio State, the playoffs have greatly diminished the other bowls. Players sit out bowls. I doubt they’ll sit out playoff games much. Why, if the bowls matter so much?

I think you are way over-conflating the bowl games being meaningless exhibitions with people thinking it’s NC or die. I am not, nor have I ever been, one of those people. I have always been a Michigan game first guy. If anything the regular season matters more than it ever did…until they expand the playoff, that is.

Hell man, once upon a time they picked national champions before they even played the bowl games. They’ve always been exhibitions. There are a myriad of factors that have led to their diminution, some of which are listed below. It’s just the way it is. Will I watch the Rose Bowl? Yeah, because the Buckeyes are playing in it. Does winning this one come anywhere close to winning it in the 70s? I can’t believe anyone would really make that argument. Your point about extra practices is a good one (though every 6-6 team gets that now)…but other than bringing kids back (who play in it) with a jumpstart for next year, beating Utah in a bowl game does little in 2021.

Scheduling of more prominent non-conference matchups in the regular season

The BCS era that a) made the other bowls not NC bowls, and b) stopped the Rose Bowl from being B1G/PAC every year based on who went where to the NC game

Bowls being played after New Years Day

The glut of bowls such that every crappy team with 6 wins makes a bowl game every year, and sometimes teams with losing records do

Conference expansion

Conference Championship Games, where teams that clearly aren’t the best in the conference can catch lightning in a bottle and win the conference anyway

The playoffs, which now ensure that the top 4 teams don’t get near the supposedly important Bowl games, and the next 3-4 are likely disappointed to be there.
 
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Buckeneye said:
By this same logic, retroactivity applied when the title game was out of reach, means that in the last 20 years...

- 2004 Fiesta Win v KState didn't matter
- 2006 Fiesta Win v Notre Dame didnt matter
- 2010 Rose Bowl win v Oregon didnt matter
-2011 Sugar Bowl win v Arky didn't matter
-2016 Fiesta win v Notre Dame didn't matter
- 2019 Rose Bowl win v Wash didn't matter

So on and so forth. You could also include things like the 97' Rose bowl and 99 Sugar Bowl.

Expanding on this logic further, is basically saying that any game once a team is mathematically eliminated from title contention doesn't matter/meaningless. Therefore seniors and opting juniors should probably sit out if they're looking at a top 100 pick.

In turn...

The Game 04
The Game 05
The Game 08
The Game 09
I'll leave out The Game 2010 because there were some potential upsets that could have made it likely.
The Game 2011
The Game 2012
The Game 2015
I'll stop there...

It would imply all those matchups with ttun could be lumped in the same category - "doesn't matter."

The counter argument might be "Oh, well that's the regular season". So what? The post-season is what you play for, therefore it is every much a part of the entirety of the season as the rest of the games on the schedule.

This whole "bowl games don't matter anymore" should have been prevalent the whole time. The playoff format didn't magically make them somehow "meaningless". And if it did, then I ask, was the playoff format worth the loss?

Or... hear me out on this. The word "meaningless" and/or the phrase "doesn't matter" are both being incredibly incorrectly and overused re: this topic.

There are few things in this life that are truly meaningless. Go back and ask those players from 97 or 09 if those Rose Bowl wins somehow just didn't matter.

Contributing to the collective, this thing bigger than us, the team, tOSU, its history, this line of greatness we wish to see continue and, most importantly, this brotherhood (word) that we are so often told our football team is founded on should in no way be constructed as not mattering. Even for a single game IMHO, but most especially something grand such as The Rose Bowl.



College football is... was...special. Special because it wasn't like the NFL where it was entirely about business. There is a history, a pageantry, a bond about it unlike professional football.

I won't lie when I say I feel we're losing sight of that to an extent. Fans especially.
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And, I’ll add, that the postseason wasn’t always what you played for. Once upon a time, only one B1G team was allowed to go to a bowl game per year. So yes, the Rose Bowl mattered a lot back then, but also, college football was a regional game built on the backbone of playing regional teams in your conference once a year (particularly in the south, which I imagine is where SEC SEC SEC generated from).
 
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Jaxbuck said:
right under section 22 is where OSU players come out of tunnel unless I am all mixed up.

Just fyi
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If this is the same sideline as when we played Washington (Urban’s last game) you will be in the shade for a loooong time and it gets chilly. On the flip side I talked with some Washington fans at the airport the next day and they were sunburned. Was a weird day, and very windy so prepare accordingly.
 
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