2021 ttun Shenanigans, Arguments, Surrender Cobras, Feckless Marmots, and Quitty Cowards

[pnuts34]

To be fair, Ohio State's schedule is very similar.

Dave Revsin’s book provides an interesting look at the game prior to the NCAA. Any true account of “college football” should begin at 1906 or 1920, by which time the rules were well defined to include who was eligible to play.

By the same reasoning, such accounting should probably end with this year’s SCOTUS decision and the death of the NCAA. And no, that doesn’t mean I’m against players being paid, just that it completely changes who is in charge of the game and the rules by which all are supposed to play.

So you think players JUST NOW started being paid, and the rules NOW just started changing.

I could go on, but you get the point...

 

[Zurp]

They list at least 2 high school teams:

Ann Arbor HS (MI) 1-0-0
Grand Rapids HS (MI) 1-0

and they lost to a team of drunk alcoholics from Cleveland.....

Cleveland AA (OH) 0-1-0

http://www.winsipedia.com/michigan

Ha. I never saw the Grand Rapids High School game on there.

To be fair, Ohio State's schedule is very similar.

Dave Revsin’s book provides an interesting look at the game prior to the NCAA. Any true account of “college football” should begin at 1906 or 1920, by which time the rules were well defined to include who was eligible to play.

By the same reasoning, such accounting should probably end with this year’s SCOTUS decision and the death of the NCAA. And no, that doesn’t mean I’m against players being paid, just that it completely changes who is in charge of the game and the rules by which all are supposed to play.

Also, to be fair, Ohio State's record against some of those same opponents, is much worse. Michigan is something like 29-0 against Case, whereas Ohio State is something like 5-6 against them. I forget the actual records, and I'm too busy not working to want to look them up.

 

[cincibuck]

So you think players JUST NOW started being paid, and the rules NOW just started changing.

I could go on, but you get the point...

And no, I'm not so naive as to believe that "pay" wasn't present in the current set up - BUT there was a governing body with the power to set rules and enforce them. The NCAA was created because schools - from real Harvard to Harvard of the West - were either incapable or unwilling to govern themselves. The items you display provide proof that many schools still do not care to govern the sport. The SCOTUS ruling doesn't mean that universities MUST pay (for the time being) athletes, but it does make each athlete a potential business enterprise. Schools don't have to allow that to happen. They can shit can their current programs, make admissions based on academics alone and offer students the chance for interscholastic competition with like minded institutions.

 

[Dryden]

Wait… UMs QBs are named McCarthy and McNamara?

Are they trying to win football games or end communism?

 

[BayBuck]

Wait… UMs QBs are named McCarthy and McNamara?

Are they trying to win football games or end communism?

Obviously, neither!

 

[buckeyemania11]

First NIL was going to help them big time, they've quickly switched tune to a "the university won't allow our players to use NIL to the advantage that other schools will" falsity.

 

[Jaxbuck]

First NIL was going to help them big time, they've quickly switched tune to a "the university won't allow our players to use NIL to the advantage that other schools will" falsity.

The holier than than thou last vestiges of an ego saving defense mechanism has gone to 11 lately.

It's truly impressive to watch them in their native habitat. Nature is miraculous.

 

[pnuts34]

And no, I'm not so naive as to believe that "pay" wasn't present in the current set up - BUT there was a governing body with the power to set rules and enforce them. The NCAA was created because schools - from real Harvard to Harvard of the West - were either incapable or unwilling to govern themselves. The items you display provide proof that many schools still do not care to govern the sport. The SCOTUS ruling doesn't mean that universities MUST pay (for the time being) athletes, but it does make each athlete a potential business enterprise. Schools don't have to allow that to happen. They can shit can their current programs, make admissions based on academics alone and offer students the chance for interscholastic competition with like minded institutions.

From my understanding, schools aren't paying anything. Money is all coming from private entities, that are willing to sponsor kids, and in turn use them for marketing. Which essentially is no different than boosters back in the day. The NCAA has been pretty much only a figurehead for decades, doling out punishment as they see fit but had no set rules. Which is what pissed off MANY fan bases(took multiple years to settle the Miami situation, suspensions for Tatgate, slap on the wrist for Clemson steroids, etc). My fault, sorry to hijack the thread, we can continue this in another thread.

And oh yeah F _ichigan!

 

[buckeyemania11]

From my understanding, schools aren't paying anything. Money is all coming from private entities, that are willing to sponsor kids, and in turn use them for marketing. Which essentially is no different than boosters back in the day. The NCAA has been pretty much only a figurehead for decades, doling out punishment as they see fit but had no set rules. Which is what pissed off MANY fan bases(took multiple years to settle the Miami situation, suspensions for Tatgate, slap on the wrist for Clemson steroids, etc). My fault, sorry to hijack the thread, we can continue this in another thread.

And oh yeah F _ichigan!

DFBIA thinks schools should have to be the one doing the paying to make it “fair”. That’s the comedy of it. At first they were excited because of the money in their alumni base, they quickly figured out that you actually have to attract star players to you before they can get paid by said alumni base though and flipped their script.

 

[Jaxbuck]

DFBIA thinks schools should have to be the one doing the paying to make it “fair”. That’s the comedy of it. At first they were excited because of the money in their alumni base, they quickly figured out that you actually have to attract star players to you before they can get paid by said alumni base though and flipped their script.

They haven't quickly figured out a damn thing.

They have sort of stumbled into a group awareness that their program and school suck at NIL too and are reflexively spewing excuses/rationalizations/climbing up on the cross in their unique, dumbass way.

 

[pnuts34]

DFBIA thinks schools should have to be the one doing the paying to make it “fair”. That’s the comedy of it. At first they were excited because of the money in their alumni base, they quickly figured out that you actually have to attract star players to you before they can get paid by said alumni base though and flipped their script.

Yeah, can't really put much money behind a QB who may not start or not be very good(McNamara or Bowman), or a frosh who may never pan out(McCarthy), they have no names at WR, and an average RB who may get a deal, or even an average OL. But there's no one that say, GM or any of the major corporations in MI will get behind. And there are few companies in AA that will either. Maybe a local proctologist can give some NIL money to them

 

[cincibuck]

But there's no one that say, GM or any of the major corporations in MI will get behind. And there are few companies in AA that will either. Maybe a local proctologist can give some NIL money to them

If schools are off the hook for the money/goodies for players it means the players will be beholden to folks not on the school's payroll and that means boosters. 1) How does a school maintain - or be held accountable for - institutional control? 2) I wonder how long before Los Vegas
Sands Inc, or MGM Resorts decide they want a piece of some future Heisman potential QB?

 

[pnuts34]

If schools are off the hook for the money/goodies for players it means the players will be beholden to folks not on the school's payroll and that means boosters. 1) How does a school maintain - or be held accountable for - institutional control? 2) I wonder how long before Los Vegas
Sands Inc, or MGM Resorts decide they want a piece of some future Heisman potential QB?

I doubt we ever get to that point of companies that big getting behind a college kid. Still too many unknowns with college kids

 

[cincibuck]

I doubt we ever get to that point of companies that big getting behind a college kid. Still too many unknowns with college kids

Yeah shoulda stuff with gamblers

 

[Jaxbuck]

This dynamic of endorsement companies paying more than the team isn’t unique. It also isn’t a problem in any other sport that I am aware.

Nike isn’t going to run afoul of Ohio State (or any school) by having their endorser be a problem for the coach.