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2021 tOSU Defense

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AKAK said:
Just to echo chamber this nicely...

I should, especially fot the people i got shitty with yesterday, be 100% clear that I hate this shit.

Passing is for pussies and we should be giving up pre-war stats to anyone and everyone, getting 100 sacks a year should anyone fucking dare throw the ball against us and allow less that 50 yards per game on the ground.

Then for funzies, run the ball 10 times in a row out if the hurry up and grind their bones to dust whenever we please.

But... That's not what we have. And to some degree it is mutually exclusive in the sense that if you score in 4 plays and they score in 10, you have to sorta play soft and force mistakes because you might be out there 40 minutes and 75-80 plays. And when you're up 28, the primary goal is going to be to stay up 28. (I gotta imagine the win probability up 28 pretty good through the second half,. Where if you let them get a quick swing to 14, it might fall into the 70's or 80's for a quick second)

So, they're going to take those things into account and not let the other team score fast.

Would I like to see some more aggression in the red zone? For sure. Could they throw me a fucking bone and send a blitzer on 3rd and 10+. It would be nice.

But this is the only/last offense that's equipped to do anything like this, but if faced with a similar situation I think the plan will continue to be keep everything in front and stay 4 TDs up.

Its gross, but it is what it is.
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Purdue is 12th in the nation running 78 plays per game. They "only" got to run 71 yesterday.

They average 45 pass attempts per game. Yesterday was 51.

They average 338 passing yards per game. Yesterday was 390.

They average 25 points per game. Yesterday was 31

Maddening as hell to watch happen but the way the teams matched up and the way the game played out, it should be kept in context.
 
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sg86 said:
Bryson Shaw is terrible. And it’s making the entire secondary look awful.

I’ve never seen a Buckeye defender look so thoroughly lost every week. Almost every big play shows him either out of position or with the absolute worst anticipation.

I am at a complete loss as to why they continue to run him out there week after week.
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pnuts34 said:
Thank you! I was coming here to say just that! Shaw is a special teams player at OSU, at best! He's not starting caliber at OSU, he is a starter for a Maryland, Indiana, Rutgers or any MAC team. But not OSU. And he's a major liability in the back end and making us miss Proctor weekly. He takes bad angles, and gets beat bad deep often, and his job is to not get beat deep. I think there isn't anyone else, tbh. He is the best S option at this point now. There must be injuries, or just not game ready for the coaches to not play Ransom and Williams.

And if you've never seen a Buckeye defender look so thoroughly lost every week, than you didn't watch the clown show at S that was Jahsen Wint and Isaih Pryor in 2018...
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FWIW, Bryson Shaw's comments after the game:



Buckeye safety Bryson Shaw took responsibility for some of the defensive lapses after the game, although he said he's made plenty of strides individually since the start of the year.

"I would just say reading the offense, coming up and making tackles. Still a lot to improve on, though," Shaw said. "Hit that post over my head – can never happen. Can never, never ever happen, and it won’t happen again. That’s my job to be back there. I gotta do my job, so I gotta be better at that, and I’ll get it corrected."

Shaw, who was second on the Buckeyes with eight tackles Saturday, said he's confident that Ohio State will figure out what the issues were when they look at the film in the coming days.

“We just gotta execute. I thought the game plan coming in was strong, and I thought Coach Barnes, Coach Coombs, the whole defensive coaching staff gave us the right plan," Shaw said. "I just thought some of us didn’t do our jobs, including myself. We’ll get it corrected. We’ll get on that film, get it corrected. But just executing the calls better, and we’ll be fine. We’ll be great.”
 
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ScriptOhio said:
FWIW, Bryson Shaw's comments after the game:



Buckeye safety Bryson Shaw took responsibility for some of the defensive lapses after the game, although he said he's made plenty of strides individually since the start of the year.

"I would just say reading the offense, coming up and making tackles. Still a lot to improve on, though," Shaw said. "Hit that post over my head – can never happen. Can never, never ever happen, and it won’t happen again. That’s my job to be back there. I gotta do my job, so I gotta be better at that, and I’ll get it corrected."

Shaw, who was second on the Buckeyes with eight tackles Saturday, said he's confident that Ohio State will figure out what the issues were when they look at the film in the coming days.

“We just gotta execute. I thought the game plan coming in was strong, and I thought Coach Barnes, Coach Coombs, the whole defensive coaching staff gave us the right plan," Shaw said. "I just thought some of us didn’t do our jobs, including myself. We’ll get it corrected. We’ll get on that film, get it corrected. But just executing the calls better, and we’ll be fine. We’ll be great.”
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I saw those comments earlier. And they're nice words from a player who knows he was exposed, but in all honestly as long as he's out there, it will continue to happen. He's just out of his element out there in 1 on 1s. And no way that the rest of the teams we play don't watch film on us and salivate whenever he's on the field.
 
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pnuts34 said:
I saw those comments earlier. And they're nice words from a player who knows he was exposed, but in all honestly as long as he's out there, it will continue to happen. He's just out of his element out there in 1 on 1s. And no way that the rest of the teams we play don't watch film on us and salivate whenever he's on the field.
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"we've got the safety right where we want him...."
 
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He's been too soft coming up all year too to break up pass plays or take away receivers, but not being beat deep. Yesterday he improved on coming up, hence the tackles, but got beat behind him. I just think he doesn't have the athleticism to do both so he's been deeper than the deepest. The bad part is the improvement in recognition hasn't gotten there so he's late a lot. Something tells me if you just line up and run sprints he's plenty fast enough but the paralysis by analysis is real
 
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Jaxbuck said:
and while people are ragging on Shaw, save a little venom for Sevyn Banks.

I've mentioned it a few times this year but he's simply not playing well when he's in there.
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Agreed, its crazy how much better Burke looks over him.

And we also have to place some accountability, on Tyreke Smith who had 1 tackle and was a non factor all game. I swear he and Harrison are the most inconsistent "star" DL we've ever had. Neither can put multiple good games together in a row. At this point I'm just praying the defense plays good enough to not embarrass what the offense can do
 
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Jaxbuck said:
and while people are ragging on Shaw, save a little venom for Sevyn Banks.

I've mentioned it a few times this year but he's simply not playing well when he's in there.
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Well, that’s a nuanced conversation. Disinterest/apathy vs. football IQ. Maybe Banks shows some fire with the step up in competition? Fingers crossed. Having said that, it’s baffling to me that the coaches haven’t made a change when their center fielder thinks he’s a shortstop. It’s infuriating.
 
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I will say that the defense better bring it's big boy pants the next two weeks because neither Sparty or tsun will stop trying to run the ball.

They have no choice and as a result will not give up if it's slow going for a while.

In many ways, the best run defense OSU might have over the course of the next two weeks will be Stroud and the WR's.
 
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Let me start this out by saying that I am not in full panic mode about Ohio State’s defense because of anything I saw in the Purdue game. To be honest, I was never fully in on this being a particularly strong unit overall, but I don’t think it really has to be anything more than average to win games — at least in the regular season — with how good the offense should be week in and week out. But can the Buckeyes win a national title with the way their defense is currently constructed? Well, probably not. That is why I'm here to help.

I think a lot of what ails Ohio State on defense comes pretty simply down to personnel decisions. While I don’t think swapping out one player here and there would suddenly turn this unit into one that can rival what Georgia is doing right now, I do think that small changes could put the Silver Bullets in the best position to succeed. Sure, the Buckeyes still need some of their top guys to play even better and the scheme could certainly include some more blitzes and whatnot, but I think everything truly starts with having the best 11 players on the field — something this coaching staff has preached but not exactly practiced.

Let’s go position by position and see what exactly can be fixed from a personnel standpoint.

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Here is where I'm going to start to hurt some feelings. I want to preface this by saying I don’t love picking on individual college players, but when you play in the national spotlight at a place like Ohio State, you have to expect the criticisms to come when you are not playing well. I also think that certain guys are being put in a position to fail by the coaching staff, so I don’t want to put all the blame on the players themselves. There are some guys on this team that very clearly do not have what it takes to play at this high a level, and for the coaches to expect them to just figure it out is not fair.

That being said, Bryson Shaw simply cannot continue to get snaps for the Buckeyes. Josh Proctor going down with a season-ending injury was perhaps the worst thing that could possibly happen to the Buckeyes’ defense with no clear answer behind him, but I can promise you that Shaw is not the guy. On a roster filled to the brim with former four and five-star talents in the secondary like Kourt Williams, Cam Martinez, Lathan Ransom, and Craig Young — just to name a few — I simply cannot understand why these coaches insist on putting the low three-star on the field to get burned time and time again.

Not quite to the same extent but certainly approaching it, Sevyn Banks has not played well at all this season. Projected at one point to be a future first-rounder at cornerback, Banks has really never showed that in his time at Ohio State. We have heard the coaches praise how well he has done in practice, but in his second year as a starting corner in Columbus, Banks just doesn’t look like he deserves starter reps. Like at safety, the cornerback position is filled with young, highly-touted talents — Ryan Watts, Jordan Hancock, JK Johnson, etc. — and Ohio State would likely benefit from giving one of those guys a shot.

Denzel Burke is your clear No. 1 option at cornerback, even as a freshman — again, another defensive player the bad coaching staff hasn’t yet had a chance to ruin — and I think you can continue to run Cam Brown out there as your slot corner. For my money, I'm starting Watts or one of the other high four-star freshmen instead of Banks, and then rounding out the secondary with Ronnie Hickman at the Bullet and Kourt Williams (or Martinez) as your safety. When Ohio State goes to a two-safety look, I think Lathan Ransom (or, again, Martinez) at the free safety spot works fine.

I dont really see the downside of giving some fresh faces a shot in place of the guys who have shown the inability to get the job done after countless chances. What’s the worst that can happen, they don’t play well? The guys currently playing are already doing that! I have a ton of trouble seeing what exactly Banks and especially Shaw are bringing to the team at this point, and so benching them for players that actually have a chance to play well seems like a no-brainer to me. However, I know I'm talking about the same coaching staff that played Tuf Borland for 12 years, so my expectations of them doing something even remotely smart are incredibly low.
 
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I don’t really see any evidence this current staff plays personnel favorites like in the past. LB play during the beginning of the year made it abundantly clear why Tuf started for as long as he did.

Safety play I’m not sure what to do there. I wouldn’t trust Ransom back there either with as many tackles he’s whiffed on.
 
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