2021 CFB Playoff Discussion

[jwinslow]

Let me clarify; Day has been around to see a defense that's been bad 3 of the last 4 years. '18 clearly wasn't his fault.

Point that concerns me is he's on the inside. He should be able to see better than anyone what the defensive staff is all about and he just walked face first into a brick wall like he didn't even know it was there.

If you've been inside the WHAC since 2017 and came into this year thinking everything was cool on defense then I question your acumen. Given the person I am questioning is now the head coach, I hope to hell I'm wrong.

He was there and then made a giant change. I'm not sure how we're passing that.

He was also there when they decided to stop having cornerbacks (despite having maybe the most ridiculous run ever for the position, and wasting all of that momentum)

So he hired back the wizard behind all of that, and gave him more responsibility for the defense. The latter backfired.



So he's 1 for 2, and he didn't wait out the season for the failure on the second. Despite the insanity of the past week, mid year changes aren't a great idea.

 

[Don Muenz]

Let me clarify; Day has been around to see a defense that's been bad 3 of the last 4 years. '18 clearly wasn't his fault.

Point that concerns me is he's on the inside. He should be able to see better than anyone what the defensive staff is all about and he just walked face first into a brick wall like he didn't even know it was there.

If you've been inside the WHAC since 2017 and came into this year thinking everything was cool on defense then I question your acumen. Given the person I am questioning is now the head coach, I hope to hell I'm wrong.

Yup. And all I hear from WHAC is, “Hommina, hommina, hommina,” with apologies to Ralph Kramden.

 

[Gcashwell]

Unfortunately they've earned the benefit of the doubt. They need to take a beating Saturday and bring the voters and perception back to Earth.

I think you might get your wish. The fact is, it is impossible to name a year where bama's performance in the CFP showed they didn't belong. This year is Bama's most flawed team since 2010.

 

[BigJim]

the odds of three or four independent events all going a certain way are long enough, then you’d see OSU at #4 facing a much more talented version of the kind of team that just fisted them. The odds against being in the field and winning it are a different thing entirely.

I get the point you’re making here but that’s not how it works in this case. TWELVE teams, not including Ohio St. Utah, Pittsburgh, Wake Forest. Those three, and I would argue others, I’d think would have a less chance than OSU at both making the playoffs and in winning the whole thing if they do. But the fact that FanDuel doesn’t even list OSU makes me question that opinion of mine and your original comment that I was quoting.

 

[Jaxbuck]

He was there and then made a giant change. I'm not sure how we're passing that.

He was also there when they decided to stop having cornerbacks (despite having maybe the most ridiculous run ever for the position, and wasting all of that momentum)

So he hired back the wizard behind all of that, and gave him more responsibility for the defense. The latter backfired.



So he's 1 for 2, and he didn't wait out the season for the failure on the second. Despite the insanity of the past week, mid year changes aren't a great idea.

My concern is the acumen for identifying the right people. He knew Coombs, saw what happened last year and allowed it to roll into '21 unabated.

I question that mans judgment already just off that alone.

Hopefully he proves that this was some kind of one off circumstance and he knocks it out of the park with the next staff changes.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I get the point you’re making here but that’s not how it works in this case. TWELVE teams, not including Ohio St. Utah, Pittsburgh, Wake Forest. Those three, and I would argue others, I’d think would have a less chance than OSU at both making the playoffs and in winning the whole thing if they do. But the fact that FanDuel doesn’t even list OSU makes me question that opinion of mine and your original comment that I was quoting.

I have no idea then. Book probably watched our game and said yeah, zero fucking chance so they left them off.

 

[jwinslow]

My concern is the acumen for identifying the right people. He knew Coombs, saw what happened last year and allowed it to roll into '21 unabated.

I question that mans judgment already just off that alone.

Hopefully he proves that this was some kind of one off circumstance and he knocks it out of the park with the next staff changes.

Most questionable assistants are not gone in one season. Urban kept all sorts of questionable guys around for 2+ years, and guys without the ridiculous run of corner development that Coombs had, and without the "we are becoming Indiana at corner" desperation either.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Most questionable assistants are not gone in one season. Urban kept all sorts of questionable guys around for 2+ years, and guys without the ridiculous run of corner development that Coombs had, and without the "we are becoming Indiana at corner" desperation either.

Urban's track record also bought him a lot more runway than Day is going to get.

At the end of it all, I question Day's judgement on staff hires. No one is perfect but the stuff we've seen so far concerns me and you can add the continuation of Washington at LB coach and Stud as OL coach to that.

Time will tell.

 

[jwinslow]

Urban's track record also bought him a lot more runway than Day is going to get.

At the end of it all, I question Day's judgement on staff hires. No one is perfect but the stuff we've seen so far concerns me and you can add the continuation of Washington at LB coach and Stud as OL coach to that.

Time will tell.

Urban crashed at UF because of not replacing assistants.
He started slow at OSU because of assistants ('13 Withers and other def).
He won it all in '14 thanks to hiring Ash and keeping Fickell.
He wasted his best team in part because of assistants '15 (Ed, Beck, etc)
He wasted a legendary defense in '16 with no offense in '16.
Then he was okay in '17, but hired Schiano and Davis
He was fired exclusively because of assistants in '18 (Herman and Smith)

Stud was another Urban guy.


There was a whole lot of questionable stuff on the assistant coaching side for Urban.



Your complaints largely center around one guy. There's also the matter of where they'd be at CB without Burke, Hancock, and who knows if Ricks sneaks in there.


I also think there's a difference between questioning if there are weak spots, and letting Jimbo get a whole lot of unearned assumptions on his behalf.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Urban crashed at UF because of not replacing assistants.
He started slow at OSU because of assistants ('13 Withers and other def).
He won it all in '14 thanks to hiring Ash and keeping Fickell.
He wasted his best team in part because of assistants '15 (Ed, Beck, etc)
He wasted a legendary defense in '16 with no offense in '16.
Then he was okay in '17, but hired Schiano and Davis
He was fired exclusively because of assistants in '18 (Herman and Smith)

Stud was another Urban guy.


There was a whole lot of questionable stuff on the assistant coaching side for Urban.



Your complaints largely center around one guy. There's also the matter of where they'd be at CB without Burke, Hancock, and who knows if Ricks sneaks in there.


I also think there's a difference between questioning if there are weak spots, and letting Jimbo get a whole lot of unearned assumptions on his behalf.

I am fully confident that anyone who worked with Coombs after the disaster of a season in '20, listened to his explanations as to why, then saw his plan to improve was to do the exact damn thing again and then say "yep, I'm on board with this for '21" deserves to have his judgement questioned.

It's a s simple as that.

 

[BB73]

I don't agree with you, but I like your ass.

I wish I had some vCash for every poster on the board you’ve said that to.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

I get the point you’re making here but that’s not how it works in this case. TWELVE teams, not including Ohio St. Utah, Pittsburgh, Wake Forest. Those three, and I would argue others, I’d think would have a less chance than OSU at both making the playoffs and in winning the whole thing if they do. But the fact that FanDuel doesn’t even list OSU makes me question that opinion of mine and your original comment that I was quoting.

Zero chance. Essentially, we'd need uga and tsun to lock down the top two spots, followed by losses by Bama, okie light, the juggalos and the pitt-wake winner to look sloppy. Of course that allows the domers to slide into the 3 spot. Then we'd be competing for the four spot with multiple other 2 loss teams some of whom are conference Champs. Zero chance. The only dog Ohio State has in play on Saturday is for young and Pickett to look like shit so Stroud can win the Heisman.

 

[JCOSU86]

Zero chance. Essentially, we'd need uga and tsun to lock down the top two spots, followed by losses by Bama, okie light, the juggalos and the pitt-wake winner to look sloppy. Of course that allows the domers to slide into the 3 spot. Then we'd be competing for the four spot with multiple other 2 loss teams some of whom are conference Champs. Zero chance. The only dog Ohio State has in play on Saturday is for young and Pickett to look like shit so Stroud can win the Heisman.

Yep. How could anyone rationalize putting OSU in ahead of Pac12 Champ Oregon who BEAT OSU and has the same record? Or Baylor with the same record and a Big 12 Championship?Even dUMb would have the same record (with a loss to Iowa) but own the head-to-head? There would be an uproar of epic proportions all over the country and they would be right.

 

[BB73]

Zero chance. Essentially, we'd need uga and tsun to lock down the top two spots, followed by losses by Bama, okie light, the juggalos and the pitt-wake winner to look sloppy. Of course that allows the domers to slide into the 3 spot. Then we'd be competing for the four spot with multiple other 2 loss teams some of whom are conference Champs. Zero chance. The only dog Ohio State has in play on Saturday is for young and Pickett to look like shit so Stroud can win the Heisman.

Yeah, I’m hoping UGA gets at least 3 turnovers from Young and limits him to 1 TD in a dominant win.

But Wake Forest’s defense is so horrendous it’s possible that Pickett could throw 8 TD passes and become the darling of the voters on the last day.

 

[JCOSU86]

Lol, idiots on twitter Many Buckeye fans are "wanting" Alabama even though there is no way it happens. Even if Alabama loses AND doesn't somehow get put in the CFP, the Sugar Bowl would select them, and it would be against a Big 12 team. Why would they give up Alabama to the Peach?