2020 ttun Shenanigans, Arguments, and Surrender Cobras (Confirmed COWARDS!)

[LordJeffBuck]

we should have a similar contest and name the top 11 guys we would want to see on defense in any given game with tsun

Some must have's: (I don't give a shit if I spell their names wrong)

DB
Morgan Trent

MorganTrent

There, I fixed it for you.

 

[NFBuck]

I'm using Rivals rankings because: (a) they go back uninterrupted to 2002; and (b) they don't practice as much grade inflation as the other sites.

I stopped at the class of 2018 because the younger recruits have not yet had a chance to demonstrate their talents (or lack thereof).

I am including two-star signees with the three-star signees.

From 2002 to 2018, Ohio State had 141 three-star signees out of 375 total signees (37.6%).

From 2002 to 2018, Michigan had 183 three-star signees out of 375 total signees (48.8%).

Despite having far less three-star signees, Ohio State got much more out of their lower-ranked talent. Each team had many productive three-star players (Ohio State's include Dane Sanzenbacher, Kenny Guiton, and the Boren brothers), but I wanted to list only the best examples of three-star prospects developing into outstanding college players. Here are the most notable examples from each team:

Class	Ohio State 3-Star Recruit	Exceptional College Accolades	Draft Position
2002	A.J. Hawk	2x All American; Lombardi Award	1st round
2002	Santonio Holmes	1st team All Big Ten	1st round
2003	Kirk Barton	All American	7th round
2005	James Laurinaitis	3x All American; Butkus Award	2nd round
2005	Malcolm Jenkins	2x All American; Thorpe Award	1st round
2005	Brian Robiskie	...	2nd round
2005	Brian Hartline	...	4th round
2005	Donald Washington III	...	4th round
2006	Chimdi Chekwa	All American	4th round
2009	John Simon	1st team All Big Ten	4th round
2010	Bradley Roby	All American	1st round
2010	Johnathan Hankins	All American	2nd round
2011	Jeff Heuerman	...	3rd round
2011	Devin Smith	...	2nd round
2011	Cardale Jones	...	4th round
2012	Pat Elflein	All American; Rimington Trophy	3rd round
2013	Darron Lee	All American	1st round
2013	Gareon Conley	...	1st round
2014	Malik Hooker	All American	1st round
2014	Sam Hubbard	...	3rd round
2015	Joey Burrow*	All American; Heisman Trophy	1st round
2015	Denzel Ward	All American	1st round
2015	Damon Arnette	...	???
2015	Davon Hamilton	...	???
2016	Jordan Fuller	3x Academic All American	???
2016	Malik Harrison	1st team All Big Ten	???
2017	Thayer Munford	...	???
2018	Chris Olave	...	???

Class	Michigan 3-Star Recruits	Exceptional College Accolades	Draft Position
2002	David Harris	1st team All Big Ten	2nd round
2004	Mike Hart	UM all-time leading rusher	6th round
2005	Zoltan Meskó	2x 1st team All Big Ten	5th round
2007	David Molk	All American; Rimington Trophy	7th round
2008	Patrick Omameh	1st team All Big Ten	Undrafted
2010	Jake Ryan	1st team All Big Ten	4th round
2011	Frank Clark	...	2nd round
2011	Graham Glasgow	...	3rd round
2012	Devin Funchess	...	2nd round
2012	Chris Wormley	1st team All Big Ten	3rd round
2012	Willie Henry	...	4th round
2012	Jehu Chesson	...	4th round
2012	Ryan Glasgow	...	4th round
2013	Maurice Hurst, Jr.	1st team All Big Ten	5th round
2015	Jon Runyan, Jr.	1st team All Big Ten	???
2018	Ronnie Bell	...	???

Comparing first round draft picks: Ohio State 8; Michigan 0

Comparing first team All Americans: Ohio State 15 (11 different players); Michigan 1

*Ohio State also gets at least partial credit for Joey Burrow, who won the Heisman Trophy and will be the #1 pick in tomorrow's NFL draft.

This is remarkable and it points to a very bleak future for tsun.

So, it breaks down as such:
1st Rounders: tOSU- 8.5 || tsun - 0
2nd Rounders: tOSU - 4 || tsun - 3
3rd Rounders: tOSU - 3 || tsun - 2
4th Rounders: tOSU - 5 || tsun - 4
5th Rounders: tOSU - 0 || tsun - 2
6th Rounders: tOSU - 0 || tsun - 1
7th Rounders: tOSU - 1 || tsun - 1

So, of the 22 draftable players listed for tOSU, 93.4 were selected in rounds 1-4 (or when you'd expect them to be a contributing NFL player), and 6.6% were selected in rounds 5-7 or UFA (when they're a coin-toss to make an NFL roster).
For tsun, that number is 64.3% for rounds 1-4, 35.7% for rounds 5-7 or UFA.

I'd subjectively list the following as "contributing" NFL players, or guys who spent at least a couple of years on NFL rosters:
tOSU - 15 (68.2%)
tsun - 8 (57.1%)

So, not only does tOSU do a better job of finding "diamonds in the rough", they do a better job of getting them ready for the pros.

That might not be a big deal if it was a level playing field, but it's not. Tsun relies a lot more heavily on those lower rated guys, because they aren't landing anywhere near the same amount of 4 and 5* kids as tOSU. To make matters worse for them, their development of those higher rated kids is really bad right now. Their 2017 class, which was ranked #5 nationally and had 21 4 and 5* commits has been gutted by transfers and guys who didn't develop anywhere near what their rankings indicated. Of those 21, I'd argue that only 2 of them (Cesar Ruiz and Nico Collins) approached their rankings. The jury is still out on Dylan McCaffrey and Ambry Thomas as both are projected starters this season, but have yet to do enough to say they have approached their rankings.

 

[Mr.Blonde]

I'm using Rivals rankings because: (a) they go back uninterrupted to 2002; and (b) they don't practice as much grade inflation as the other sites.

I stopped at the class of 2018 because the younger recruits have not yet had a chance to demonstrate their talents (or lack thereof).

I am including two-star signees with the three-star signees.

From 2002 to 2018, Ohio State had 141 three-star signees out of 375 total signees (37.6%).

From 2002 to 2018, Michigan had 183 three-star signees out of 375 total signees (48.8%).

Comparing first round draft picks: Ohio State 8; Michigan 0

Comparing first team All Americans: Ohio State 15 (11 different players); Michigan 1

Damn, they just got dragged. Thanks for the work here.

 

[buckeyemania11]

I hope some team takes a 6th/7th round flyer on Patterson because you know at least 1 DFBIA member is going to claim that as "PROOF" that Harbaugh can put QBs in the draft.

 

[OsUPhAn]

That four of those first rounders are DBs is just crazy.

 

[Jaxbuck]

So, not only does tOSU do a better job of finding "diamonds in the rough", they do a better job of getting them ready for the pros.

We have online classes for gods sake

what do you expect?

 

[cincibuck]

This is remarkable and it points to a very bleak future for tsun.


That might not be a big deal if it was a level playing field, but it's not. Tsun relies a lot more heavily on those lower rated guys, because they aren't landing anywhere near the same amount of 4 and 5* kids as tOSU. To make matters worse for them, their development of those higher rated kids is really bad right now. Their 2017 class, which was ranked #5 nationally and had 21 4 and 5* commits has been gutted by transfers and guys who didn't develop anywhere near what their rankings indicated. Of those 21, I'd argue that only 2 of them (Cesar Ruiz and Nico Collins) approached their rankings. The jury is still out on Dylan McCaffrey and Ambry Thomas as both are projected starters this season, but have yet to do enough to say they have approached their rankings.

And their most successful QBs - Ruddock and Paterson, were cast-offs who couldn't make it where they started. But, yeah.

 

[colobuck79]

Watched the 2015 Game last night for fun, the 60 minute version from BTN that I recorded. It was glorious. 42-13, and the Buckeye's running game just mauled the hapless skunkbears. Rainman was a deer in the headlights, and there was no shortage of sad fan shots in Ann Arbor. I highly recommend this if you ever have a need for a pick me up.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Watched the 2015 Game last night for fun, the 60 minute version from BTN that I recorded. It was glorious. 42-13, and the Buckeye's running game just mauled the hapless skunkbears. Rainman was a deer in the headlights, and there was no shortage of sad fan shots in Ann Arbor. I highly recommend this if you ever have a need for a pick me up.

Especially since the second half was a 28-3 beatdown. Joey's near-pick-six at the end is just a great bonus.

 

[ScriptOhio]

 

[gmen6981]

 

[gmen6981]

We have online classes for gods sake

what do you expect?

You spelled "Bagmen" wrong.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I'd seriously rather get the fucking virus than wear that mask

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

This is remarkable and it points to a very bleak future for tsun.

So, it breaks down as such:
1st Rounders: tOSU- 8.5 || tsun - 0
2nd Rounders: tOSU - 4 || tsun - 3
3rd Rounders: tOSU - 3 || tsun - 2
4th Rounders: tOSU - 5 || tsun - 4
5th Rounders: tOSU - 0 || tsun - 2
6th Rounders: tOSU - 0 || tsun - 1
7th Rounders: tOSU - 1 || tsun - 1

So, of the 22 draftable players listed for tOSU, 93.4 were selected in rounds 1-4 (or when you'd expect them to be a contributing NFL player), and 6.6% were selected in rounds 5-7 or UFA (when they're a coin-toss to make an NFL roster).
For tsun, that number is 64.3% for rounds 1-4, 35.7% for rounds 5-7 or UFA.

I'd subjectively list the following as "contributing" NFL players, or guys who spent at least a couple of years on NFL rosters:
tOSU - 15 (68.2%)
tsun - 8 (57.1%)

So, not only does tOSU do a better job of finding "diamonds in the rough", they do a better job of getting them ready for the pros.

That might not be a big deal if it was a level playing field, but it's not. Tsun relies a lot more heavily on those lower rated guys, because they aren't landing anywhere near the same amount of 4 and 5* kids as tOSU. To make matters worse for them, their development of those higher rated kids is really bad right now. Their 2017 class, which was ranked #5 nationally and had 21 4 and 5* commits has been gutted by transfers and guys who didn't develop anywhere near what their rankings indicated. Of those 21, I'd argue that only 2 of them (Cesar Ruiz and Nico Collins) approached their rankings. The jury is still out on Dylan McCaffrey and Ambry Thomas as both are projected starters this season, but have yet to do enough to say they have approached their rankings.

Cool story, Bro. However have you given one thought to the "dude factor."

 

[NFBuck]

Cool story, Bro. However have you given one thought to the "dude factor."

And I totally forgot about the #MobMove. Shame on me.