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Christian Wilkins, Dexter Lawrence, Clelin Ferrell, Xavier Thomas, KJ Henry, Bryan Bresee, Myles Murphy.
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Christian Wilkins, Dexter Lawrence, Clelin Ferrell, Xavier Thomas, KJ Henry, Bryan Bresee, Myles Murphy.
Ah, who was the DT caught choking his chicken on someone’s porch?we should have a similar contest and name the top 11 guys we would want to see on defense in any given game with tsun
Some must have's: (I don't give a shit if I spell their names wrong)
DB
Morgan Trent
Josh Metellus
#28
LB
Jordan Kovac
Spike Bolden
Crable and or Burgess
DL
This is an inexhaustible supply but fire away
This list is incomplete without Jabrill "Where's my fucking jock, JT?" Peppers...we should have a similar contest and name the top 11 guys we would want to see on defense in any given game with tsun
Some must have's: (I don't give a shit if I spell their names wrong)
DB
Morgan Trent
Josh Metellus
#28
LB
Jordan Kovac
Spike Bolden
Crable and or Burgess
DL
This is an inexhaustible supply but fire away
I'm using Rivals rankings because: (a) they go back uninterrupted to 2002; and (b) they don't practice as much grade inflation as the other sites.I'd like to see a comparison between Ohio State and tsun on who hits more frequently with 3 stars. You could use several metrics: drafted in first 3 rounds, All B1G etc. I'll bet that we have more hits with comparatively fewer overall 3 stars because of coaching, culture and competition within the program.
Class | Ohio State 3-Star Recruit | Exceptional College Accolades | Draft Position |
---|---|---|---|
2002 | A.J. Hawk | 2x All American; Lombardi Award | 1st round |
2002 | Santonio Holmes | 1st team All Big Ten | 1st round |
2003 | Kirk Barton | All American | 7th round |
2005 | James Laurinaitis | 3x All American; Butkus Award | 2nd round |
2005 | Malcolm Jenkins | 2x All American; Thorpe Award | 1st round |
2005 | Brian Robiskie | ... | 2nd round |
2005 | Brian Hartline | ... | 4th round |
2005 | Donald Washington III | ... | 4th round |
2006 | Chimdi Chekwa | All American | 4th round |
2009 | John Simon | 1st team All Big Ten | 4th round |
2010 | Bradley Roby | All American | 1st round |
2010 | Johnathan Hankins | All American | 2nd round |
2011 | Jeff Heuerman | ... | 3rd round |
2011 | Devin Smith | ... | 2nd round |
2011 | Cardale Jones | ... | 4th round |
2012 | Pat Elflein | All American; Rimington Trophy | 3rd round |
2013 | Darron Lee | All American | 1st round |
2013 | Gareon Conley | ... | 1st round |
2014 | Malik Hooker | All American | 1st round |
2014 | Sam Hubbard | ... | 3rd round |
2015 | Joey Burrow* | All American; Heisman Trophy | 1st round |
2015 | Denzel Ward | All American | 1st round |
2015 | Damon Arnette | ... | 1st round |
2015 | Davon Hamilton | ... | 3rd round |
2016 | Jordan Fuller | 3x Academic All American | 6th round |
2016 | Malik Harrison | 1st team All Big Ten | 3rd round |
2017 | Thayer Munford | ... | ??? |
2018 | Chris Olave | ... | ??? |
Class | Michigan 3-Star Recruits | Exceptional College Accolades | Draft Position |
---|---|---|---|
2002 | David Harris | 1st team All Big Ten | 2nd round |
2004 | Mike Hart | UM all-time leading rusher | 6th round |
2005 | Zoltan Meskó | 2x 1st team All Big Ten | 5th round |
2007 | David Molk | All American; Rimington Trophy | 7th round |
2008 | Patrick Omameh | 1st team All Big Ten | Undrafted |
2010 | Jake Ryan | 1st team All Big Ten | 4th round |
2011 | Frank Clark | ... | 2nd round |
2011 | Graham Glasgow | ... | 3rd round |
2012 | Devin Funchess | ... | 2nd round |
2012 | Chris Wormley | 1st team All Big Ten | 3rd round |
2012 | Willie Henry | ... | 4th round |
2012 | Jehu Chesson | ... | 4th round |
2012 | Ryan Glasgow | ... | 4th round |
2013 | Maurice Hurst, Jr. | 1st team All Big Ten | 5th round |
2015 | Jon Runyan, Jr. | 1st team All Big Ten | ??? |
2018 | Ronnie Bell | ... | ??? |
Larry Harrison.
I'm using Rivals rankings because: (a) they go back uninterrupted to 2002; and (b) they don't practice as much grade inflation as the other sites.
I stopped at the class of 2018 because the younger recruits have not yet had a chance to demonstrate their talents (or lack thereof).
I am including two-star signees with the three-star signees.
From 2002 to 2018, Ohio State had 141 three-star signees out of 375 total signees (37.6%).
From 2002 to 2018, Michigan had 183 three-star signees out of 375 total signees (48.8%).
Despite having far less three-star signees, Ohio State got much more out of their lower-ranked talent. Each team had many productive three-star players (Ohio State's include Dane Sanzenbacher, Kenny Guiton, and the Boren brothers), but I wanted to list only the best examples of three-star prospects developing into outstanding college players. Here are the most notable examples from each team:
Class Ohio State 3-Star Recruit Exceptional College Accolades Draft Position 2002 A.J. Hawk 2x All American; Lombardi Award 1st round 2002 Santonio Holmes 1st team All Big Ten 1st round 2003 Kirk Barton All American 7th round 2005 James Laurinaitis 3x All American; Butkus Award 2nd round 2005 Malcolm Jenkins 2x All American; Thorpe Award 1st round 2005 Brian Robiskie ... 2nd round 2005 Brian Hartline ... 4th round 2005 Donald Washington III ... 4th round 2006 Chimdi Chekwa All American 4th round 2009 John Simon 1st team All Big Ten 4th round 2010 Bradley Roby All American 1st round 2010 Johnathan Hankins All American 2nd round 2011 Jeff Heuerman ... 3rd round 2011 Devin Smith ... 2nd round 2011 Cardale Jones ... 4th round 2012 Pat Elflein All American; Rimington Trophy 3rd round 2013 Darron Lee All American 1st round 2013 Gareon Conley ... 1st round 2014 Malik Hooker All American 1st round 2014 Sam Hubbard ... 3rd round 2015 Joey Burrow* All American; Heisman Trophy 1st round 2015 Denzel Ward All American 1st round 2015 Damon Arnette ... ??? 2015 Davon Hamilton ... ??? 2016 Jordan Fuller 3x Academic All American ??? 2016 Malik Harrison 1st team All Big Ten ??? 2017 Thayer Munford ... ??? 2018 Chris Olave ... ??? Comparing first round draft picks: Ohio State 8; Michigan 0
Class Michigan 3-Star Recruits Exceptional College Accolades Draft Position 2002 David Harris 1st team All Big Ten 2nd round 2004 Mike Hart UM all-time leading rusher 6th round 2005 Zoltan Meskó 2x 1st team All Big Ten 5th round 2007 David Molk All American; Rimington Trophy 7th round 2008 Patrick Omameh 1st team All Big Ten Undrafted 2010 Jake Ryan 1st team All Big Ten 4th round 2011 Frank Clark ... 2nd round 2011 Graham Glasgow ... 3rd round 2012 Devin Funchess ... 2nd round 2012 Chris Wormley 1st team All Big Ten 3rd round 2012 Willie Henry ... 4th round 2012 Jehu Chesson ... 4th round 2012 Ryan Glasgow ... 4th round 2013 Maurice Hurst, Jr. 1st team All Big Ten 5th round 2015 Jon Runyan, Jr. 1st team All Big Ten ??? 2018 Ronnie Bell ... ???
Comparing first team All Americans: Ohio State 15 (11 different players); Michigan 1
*Ohio State also gets at least partial credit for Joey Burrow, who won the Heisman Trophy and will be the #1 pick in tomorrow's NFL draft.
Well done, and the summary has even more disparity - I count 9 first round picks for tOSU.I'm using Rivals rankings because: (a) they go back uninterrupted to 2002; and (b) they don't practice as much grade inflation as the other sites.
I stopped at the class of 2018 because the younger recruits have not yet had a chance to demonstrate their talents (or lack thereof).
I am including two-star signees with the three-star signees.
From 2002 to 2018, Ohio State had 141 three-star signees out of 375 total signees (37.6%).
From 2002 to 2018, Michigan had 183 three-star signees out of 375 total signees (48.8%).
Despite having far less three-star signees, Ohio State got much more out of their lower-ranked talent. Each team had many productive three-star players (Ohio State's include Dane Sanzenbacher, Kenny Guiton, and the Boren brothers), but I wanted to list only the best examples of three-star prospects developing into outstanding college players. Here are the most notable examples from each team:
Class Ohio State 3-Star Recruit Exceptional College Accolades Draft Position 2002 A.J. Hawk 2x All American; Lombardi Award 1st round 2002 Santonio Holmes 1st team All Big Ten 1st round 2003 Kirk Barton All American 7th round 2005 James Laurinaitis 3x All American; Butkus Award 2nd round 2005 Malcolm Jenkins 2x All American; Thorpe Award 1st round 2005 Brian Robiskie ... 2nd round 2005 Brian Hartline ... 4th round 2005 Donald Washington III ... 4th round 2006 Chimdi Chekwa All American 4th round 2009 John Simon 1st team All Big Ten 4th round 2010 Bradley Roby All American 1st round 2010 Johnathan Hankins All American 2nd round 2011 Jeff Heuerman ... 3rd round 2011 Devin Smith ... 2nd round 2011 Cardale Jones ... 4th round 2012 Pat Elflein All American; Rimington Trophy 3rd round 2013 Darron Lee All American 1st round 2013 Gareon Conley ... 1st round 2014 Malik Hooker All American 1st round 2014 Sam Hubbard ... 3rd round 2015 Joey Burrow* All American; Heisman Trophy 1st round 2015 Denzel Ward All American 1st round 2015 Damon Arnette ... ??? 2015 Davon Hamilton ... ??? 2016 Jordan Fuller 3x Academic All American ??? 2016 Malik Harrison 1st team All Big Ten ??? 2017 Thayer Munford ... ??? 2018 Chris Olave ... ??? Comparing first round draft picks: Ohio State 8; Michigan 0
Class Michigan 3-Star Recruits Exceptional College Accolades Draft Position 2002 David Harris 1st team All Big Ten 2nd round 2004 Mike Hart UM all-time leading rusher 6th round 2005 Zoltan Meskó 2x 1st team All Big Ten 5th round 2007 David Molk All American; Rimington Trophy 7th round 2008 Patrick Omameh 1st team All Big Ten Undrafted 2010 Jake Ryan 1st team All Big Ten 4th round 2011 Frank Clark ... 2nd round 2011 Graham Glasgow ... 3rd round 2012 Devin Funchess ... 2nd round 2012 Chris Wormley 1st team All Big Ten 3rd round 2012 Willie Henry ... 4th round 2012 Jehu Chesson ... 4th round 2012 Ryan Glasgow ... 4th round 2013 Maurice Hurst, Jr. 1st team All Big Ten 5th round 2015 Jon Runyan, Jr. 1st team All Big Ten ??? 2018 Ronnie Bell ... ???
Comparing first team All Americans: Ohio State 15 (11 different players); Michigan 1
*Ohio State also gets at least partial credit for Joey Burrow, who won the Heisman Trophy and will be the #1 pick in tomorrow's NFL draft.
The ninth first rounder is Joey Burrow, who will officially enter the NFL as an LSU player. I put him on my list with an asterisk. So maybe 8.5 first rounders?Well done, and the summary has even more disparity - I count 9 first round picks for tOSU.
Looking at the chart, some Vulvarine fans might see a problem developing, but I don't.
I'm using Rivals rankings because: (a) they go back uninterrupted to 2002; and (b) they don't practice as much grade inflation as the other sites.
I stopped at the class of 2018 because the younger recruits have not yet had a chance to demonstrate their talents (or lack thereof).
I am including two-star signees with the three-star signees.
From 2002 to 2018, Ohio State had 141 three-star signees out of 375 total signees (37.6%).
From 2002 to 2018, Michigan had 183 three-star signees out of 375 total signees (48.8%).
Despite having far less three-star signees, Ohio State got much more out of their lower-ranked talent. Each team had many productive three-star players (Ohio State's include Dane Sanzenbacher, Kenny Guiton, and the Boren brothers), but I wanted to list only the best examples of three-star prospects developing into outstanding college players. Here are the most notable examples from each team:
Class Ohio State 3-Star Recruit Exceptional College Accolades Draft Position 2002 A.J. Hawk 2x All American; Lombardi Award 1st round 2002 Santonio Holmes 1st team All Big Ten 1st round 2003 Kirk Barton All American 7th round 2005 James Laurinaitis 3x All American; Butkus Award 2nd round 2005 Malcolm Jenkins 2x All American; Thorpe Award 1st round 2005 Brian Robiskie ... 2nd round 2005 Brian Hartline ... 4th round 2005 Donald Washington III ... 4th round 2006 Chimdi Chekwa All American 4th round 2009 John Simon 1st team All Big Ten 4th round 2010 Bradley Roby All American 1st round 2010 Johnathan Hankins All American 2nd round 2011 Jeff Heuerman ... 3rd round 2011 Devin Smith ... 2nd round 2011 Cardale Jones ... 4th round 2012 Pat Elflein All American; Rimington Trophy 3rd round 2013 Darron Lee All American 1st round 2013 Gareon Conley ... 1st round 2014 Malik Hooker All American 1st round 2014 Sam Hubbard ... 3rd round 2015 Joey Burrow* All American; Heisman Trophy 1st round 2015 Denzel Ward All American 1st round 2015 Damon Arnette ... ??? 2015 Davon Hamilton ... ??? 2016 Jordan Fuller 3x Academic All American ??? 2016 Malik Harrison 1st team All Big Ten ??? 2017 Thayer Munford ... ??? 2018 Chris Olave ... ??? Comparing first round draft picks: Ohio State 8; Michigan 0
Class Michigan 3-Star Recruits Exceptional College Accolades Draft Position 2002 David Harris 1st team All Big Ten 2nd round 2004 Mike Hart UM all-time leading rusher 6th round 2005 Zoltan Meskó 2x 1st team All Big Ten 5th round 2007 David Molk All American; Rimington Trophy 7th round 2008 Patrick Omameh 1st team All Big Ten Undrafted 2010 Jake Ryan 1st team All Big Ten 4th round 2011 Frank Clark ... 2nd round 2011 Graham Glasgow ... 3rd round 2012 Devin Funchess ... 2nd round 2012 Chris Wormley 1st team All Big Ten 3rd round 2012 Willie Henry ... 4th round 2012 Jehu Chesson ... 4th round 2012 Ryan Glasgow ... 4th round 2013 Maurice Hurst, Jr. 1st team All Big Ten 5th round 2015 Jon Runyan, Jr. 1st team All Big Ten ??? 2018 Ronnie Bell ... ???
Comparing first team All Americans: Ohio State 15 (11 different players); Michigan 1
*Ohio State also gets at least partial credit for Joey Burrow, who won the Heisman Trophy and will be the #1 pick in tomorrow's NFL draft.
There's at least one guy on there who might be on to something:In which the Ministry of Excuses tries to make sense of their lousy (primarily Don Brown) defensive recruiting. *Spoiler* It ain't pretty...and it ain't getting better.
The most fun is reading them trying to convince themselves Josh Metellus was a good player.
https://mgoblog.com/content/jimmystats-don-brown-and-three-star-mafia#read-more
The bottom line is that once Brady Hoke's DL recruits graduated the defense fell off a cliff against the better teams on the schedule. This isn't complicated, they need to sign higher ranked recruits on that side of the ball. The only way you're going to match OSU's 5 stars is with your own. No scheme in the world is going to cover up for the type of talent gap that is playing out in the recruiting rankings right now.
I'm using Rivals rankings because: (a) they go back uninterrupted to 2002; and (b) they don't practice as much grade inflation as the other sites.
I stopped at the class of 2018 because the younger recruits have not yet had a chance to demonstrate their talents (or lack thereof).
I am including two-star signees with the three-star signees.
From 2002 to 2018, Ohio State had 141 three-star signees out of 375 total signees (37.6%).
From 2002 to 2018, Michigan had 183 three-star signees out of 375 total signees (48.8%).
Despite having far less three-star signees, Ohio State got much more out of their lower-ranked talent. Each team had many productive three-star players (Ohio State's include Dane Sanzenbacher, Kenny Guiton, and the Boren brothers), but I wanted to list only the best examples of three-star prospects developing into outstanding college players. Here are the most notable examples from each team:
Class Ohio State 3-Star Recruit Exceptional College Accolades Draft Position 2002 A.J. Hawk 2x All American; Lombardi Award 1st round 2002 Santonio Holmes 1st team All Big Ten 1st round 2003 Kirk Barton All American 7th round 2005 James Laurinaitis 3x All American; Butkus Award 2nd round 2005 Malcolm Jenkins 2x All American; Thorpe Award 1st round 2005 Brian Robiskie ... 2nd round 2005 Brian Hartline ... 4th round 2005 Donald Washington III ... 4th round 2006 Chimdi Chekwa All American 4th round 2009 John Simon 1st team All Big Ten 4th round 2010 Bradley Roby All American 1st round 2010 Johnathan Hankins All American 2nd round 2011 Jeff Heuerman ... 3rd round 2011 Devin Smith ... 2nd round 2011 Cardale Jones ... 4th round 2012 Pat Elflein All American; Rimington Trophy 3rd round 2013 Darron Lee All American 1st round 2013 Gareon Conley ... 1st round 2014 Malik Hooker All American 1st round 2014 Sam Hubbard ... 3rd round 2015 Joey Burrow* All American; Heisman Trophy 1st round 2015 Denzel Ward All American 1st round 2015 Damon Arnette ... ??? 2015 Davon Hamilton ... ??? 2016 Jordan Fuller 3x Academic All American ??? 2016 Malik Harrison 1st team All Big Ten ??? 2017 Thayer Munford ... ??? 2018 Chris Olave ... ??? Comparing first round draft picks: Ohio State 8; Michigan 0
Class Michigan 3-Star Recruits Exceptional College Accolades Draft Position 2002 David Harris 1st team All Big Ten 2nd round 2004 Mike Hart UM all-time leading rusher 6th round 2005 Zoltan Meskó 2x 1st team All Big Ten 5th round 2007 David Molk All American; Rimington Trophy 7th round 2008 Patrick Omameh 1st team All Big Ten Undrafted 2010 Jake Ryan 1st team All Big Ten 4th round 2011 Frank Clark ... 2nd round 2011 Graham Glasgow ... 3rd round 2012 Devin Funchess ... 2nd round 2012 Chris Wormley 1st team All Big Ten 3rd round 2012 Willie Henry ... 4th round 2012 Jehu Chesson ... 4th round 2012 Ryan Glasgow ... 4th round 2013 Maurice Hurst, Jr. 1st team All Big Ten 5th round 2015 Jon Runyan, Jr. 1st team All Big Ten ??? 2018 Ronnie Bell ... ???
Comparing first team All Americans: Ohio State 15 (11 different players); Michigan 1
*Ohio State also gets at least partial credit for Joey Burrow, who won the Heisman Trophy and will be the #1 pick in tomorrow's NFL draft.