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2018 tOSU Defense Discussion

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Ok, so I am re-watching the game and thought I'd slow down and look at the defense series by series, not just the TD's

Oregon State 1st series:
1st down: the run a reverse to the WR #18, Cooper, loses backside contain. #39, Harrison, on what would have been the front side of the play wouldn't have been in position. Only the make up speed of #23 Wint and # 14? keep it a 2 yard gain.
2nd down: read option give to RB right up the middle. #39 is in position, steps up and meets him in the hole. Stops his feet on contact and wrestles the RB down for a 2 yard gain. (I get the rugby tackling concept but straight up circle drill type collisions need to be done better than that)
3rd down: 3rd and 6, they run a WR screen to the field side. Outside contain does it's job forcing the play back inside but there is no help coming from the inside as their should be. #39 harrison literally is just running the wrong way and is completely out of the play while #20 Werner is a step late in recognizing it and gets blocked. #86 Dremont Fing Jones runs it down from behind 23 yards downfield!!

No bad safety play in this series, just terrible LB play.

1st down OSU 46 yard line: #67 Landers jumps off side
1st and 5: they run a Dave like running play to the short side, #20 Werner runs it down from behind, 1 yard gain
2nd & 4 OSU 40 yard line: They show a lot of lateral movement but run right up the middle, #5 Browning and #20 Werner play it well, 1 yard
3&3 from OSU 39: QB botches snap, Bosa recovers fumble

End of 1st series


I'll just keep throwing this out there a series at a time and see what folks think.Series 1 is Safties 1, LB's 0
 
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Second defensive series (Blount in at QB for Louton. Blount redshirted '17 and played in 4 games in '16)

1st & 10, OrSU 25 yard line: Shotgun formation, pass to WR broken up by Sheffield who had good tight coverage and won the 50/50 battle
2nd and 10: Middle screen to RB#21, Werner and Browning both read it terribly, get sucked up into the wash and get blocked. #23 Wint comes flying up from safety, bad angle, missed tackle. Browning finally chases him down 25 yards later.

1st and 10 at 50 yard line: Slant pass to slot, #14 Pryor...well I'm not even sure how to explain it...not sure what he was thinking he was going to do, Almost like he thinks he's a LB taking away the underneath zone when he has safety help behind him??? Wint slow, out of position....TD

Series 2 LB's and Saftey, take your pick...awful
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Second defensive series (Blount in at QB for Louton. Blount redshirted '17 and played in 4 games in '16)

1st & 10, OrSU 25 yard line: Shotgun formation, pass to WR broken up by Sheffield who had good tight coverage and won the 50/50 battle
2nd and 10: Middle screen to RB#21, Werner and Browning both read it terribly, get sucked up into the wash and get blocked. #23 Wint comes flying up from safety, bad angle, missed tackle. Browning finally chases him down 25 yards later.

1st and 10 at 50 yard line: Slant pass to slot, #14 Pryor...well I'm not even sure how to explain it...not sure what he was thinking he was going to do, Almost like he thinks he's a LB taking away the underneath zone when he has safety help behind him??? Wint slow, out of position....TD

Series 2 LB's and Saftey, take your pick...awful
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That's my issue with Pryor and Wint, both think that they are LBs, and don't realize that they're Safeties and THEY ARE the last line of defense!
 
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Third series

1st & 10 OrSU 25 yd line: Jet sweep to the short side, well contained but no help arrives from the inside. Werner and Browning out of position 7 yard gain.
2nd & 3 OrSU 32: Chase young Off side, Okudah PI call
1st &10, OrSU 47: Pass play, instant pressure from Bosa and Young, QB barely throws it away
2nd &10: Chase Young off side, Okudah PI (questionable) v2.0
1st&10 OSU 38: run to left, Browning fills but is blocked, tackle made by inside fill from Cornell and Bosa. 2 yard gain
2nd &8 OSU 36: Play action pass, no one open, D Jones with a sack. -10 yds
3rd & 19 OSU 47: defense in bear front with only Pryor in CF, QB recognizes it and audibles to a quick draw up the middle. DE's too quick and get him for 2-3 yard gain.
Punt


LB's again.

Okudah's PI's were both tight coverage in other games with other refs. The Young offsides were annoying but easily correctable. The DL is so good it's covering LB mistakes.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Third series

1st & 10 OrSU 25 yd line: Jet sweep to the short side, well contained but no help arrives from the inside. Werner and Browning out of position 7 yard gain.
2nd & 3 OrSU 32: Chase young Off side, Okudah PI call
1st &10, OrSU 47: Pass play, instant pressure from Bosa and Young, QB barely throws it away
2nd &10: Chase Young off side, Okudah PI (questionable) v2.0
1st&10 OSU 38: run to left, Browning fills but is blocked, tackle made by inside fill from Cornell and Bosa. 2 yard gain
2nd &8 OSU 36: Play action pass, no one open, D Jones with a sack. -10 yds
3rd & 19 OSU 47: defense in bear front with only Pryor in CF, QB recognizes it and audibles to a quick draw up the middle. DE's too quick and get him for 2-3 yard gain.
Punt


LB's again.

Okudah's PI's were both tight coverage in other games with other refs. The Young offsides were annoying but easily correctable. The DL is so good it's covering LB mistakes.
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I think you're going to find by the time you're done that the LB's were the issue all game. for all the talent that group has they are not being coached up well or not taking the coaching well...but without Tuff you can see that they are just a bunch of athletes running around undisciplined. something needs to change quickly within that group in two weeks or TCU will put an Iowa on them.
 
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pnuts34 said:
That's my issue with Pryor and Wint, both think that they are LBs, and don't realize that they're Safeties and THEY ARE the last line of defense!
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It's probably good they got burnt yesterday. Now there's actual game evidence to demonstrate their flaws and fix them, and we still won by 46.
 
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4th series (Boreland in at MLB) I have taken to bolding certain themes

1st & 10, OrSU 25: Jet sweep misdirection to offensive left, QB rolls right. Werner sucked in but athletic enough to recover, Boreland in perfect position so QB is forced to pass. Slot WR "covered" by #14 Pryor is wide open for easy 13 yard gain.

1st & 10, OrSU 38: 2TE formation, guards both pull to run offensive right, Cornell over penetrates and misses tackle in backfield. OG gets on Boreland, Wint comes up to make tackle, bad angle, almost misses but drags RB down for 7 yard gain.

2nd & 3, OrSU 45: run up the middle, caught from behind by Cornell, 1 yard gain.Worth noting that the DL shifted his gap responsibility right before the snap and #39 Harrison filled the wrong gap. If Cornell isn't a superior athlete that is a big gain right up the middle.

3rd & 2, OrSU 48: All run action to left, dump pass to RB goes right, Okudah and Boreland are there to stop it at 3 yard gain. Jobs pretty well done, good play call.

1st & 10, OSU 49: Read option, QB keeps, run out of bounds by Wint and Harrison short side, no gain. Note: Boreland and 2 DL had RB played perfectly, QB keeps and Harrison is sucked inside but athletic enough to recover

2nd & 10: Pass play, instant pressure from Bosa against a double team, he still deflects the ball. Incomplete.

3rd & 10: pass play, Bosa and Young instant pressure, sack for -12
4th &22 from OrSU 37

Punt, Damon Arnette runs into PR, fumble..OrSU ball on OSU 24

EDITED 5th series
1st & 10, OSU 24: read option give to RB, tackled instantly by Landers for -5 (end of 1st Quarter)
2nd & 15 OSU 29: WR screen, tackle by Sheffield, #39 harrison in good position. 4 yard gain
3rd & 10 OSU 25: incomplete pass on slant, covered by Sheffield. Good coverage everywhere as best you can tell from TV angle
4th & 10: missed FG


Themes:
  1. DL is so dominant it covers a lot of mistakes/makes plays
  2. LB's other than Boreland are frequently out of position, lost and rely on athleticism to make up for boneheadedness
  3. Safeties aren't up to par. Not even close.
 
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Systems_id said:
Soooo you're saying LBs are the problem Jax?
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Clearly a huge part of it. Safeties aren't much better. Whole defense needs to work on gap discipline. Too many guys trying to make big individual plays and leaving gaping holes.

That's how you get 31 hung on you by a mediocre team with it's back up QB. We are going to need to see 2014-like improvement over the course of the season from the defense.
 
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Edited series count: 6th series (they only use Bosa on 3rd down)

this was a great 3 play series and everyone did their jobs extremely well

1st & 10 OrSU 25: Roll out to short side, instant pressure through a double team by Young forces a quick 4 yard pass to WR covered by Sheffield.
2nd & 6 OrSU 29: try to run right(short side) Harrison, Browning and DL play it perfectly. No gain.
3rd &6: pass, instant pressure but hard to tell who beat their man fastest between Bosa, Young and Jones. Jones gets the sack. Just the threat of sending LB's with those 3 freezes the guards and leaves tackles essentially 1:1 with Bosa and Young. That is going to be a major problem for offenses going forward (insert captain obvious gif here).

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After re-watching fist half. Things don't look quite so bad. It wasn't till we were up 42-7 that Oregon State found some success.
Werner had a number of good plays as well as bad. Very promising though.
Brown looked lost a lot. To be expected as he played very little last year. Needs much coaching but has talent.
Harrison had good play s and bad plays. Another guy with tons of potential but need coaching.
Great to see Borland in there as he seemed to solidify the LBing but they were taking it easy with him.
Corners were playing pretty well even if Okudah got two interference calls.
Safety was pretty scary. Wint looked lost most times.
Pryor made some plays but made some mistakes.
We really missed Fuller in the back.
Second half I haven't rewatched but it seems we had a letdown on defense. They found some holes to attack an they made some good adjustments on their part.
Game was essentially over at the half.
 
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Edited series count: 7th series (for reference it's 35-7 OSU halfway through 2nd quarter). Looks like 2nd string DL with starting back 7 and Borland in the middle


1st & 10: OrSU 25 yd line: play action pass, Boreland and Werner bite hard but Pryor plays it well. Incomplete.
2nd & 10: read option from shotgun to field side, QB bobbles snap and gives to RB, gang tackled at LOS. Hard to tell but Werner may have played the wrong gap and been bailed out by DL
3rd &10: rushmen package is in. Instant pressure. Middle screen to RB, overall team speed limits it to 4 yards. Arnette & Harrison makes the play.


Another solid series overall. That is 2 in a row but only 3 of 7 in the game.
 
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