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This is when they had a stretch of I think 5 series for 10 yards. Then got a fumble TD. So maybe 6 straight good series.
3rd quarter got weird.
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8th series. Christman unloaded a bomb and they are pinned at their own 3. According to ESPN stat Oregon State has 6 yards of net offense in 2nd quarter.
1st & 10, OrSU 3: Browning back in at MLB. Simple run behind LG for 3 yards. DL makes the play, Browning never filled a gap, just kind of fell on the pile.
2nd & 7 OrSU 6: Shotgun. (stop me if you have heard this before) D Jones with instant pressure up the middle, Werner blitzes and meets him at the QB. Fumble, recovered by Bosa in the end zone.
So, 8 series in
5 TFL's
2 fumble recoveries, one forced, one just a dropped snap
1 defensive TD
held offense to a FG try on a short field
4 very good series, 3 so-so, 1 awful
1st & 10, OrSU 3: Browning back in at MLB. Simple run behind LG for 3 yards. DL makes the play, Browning never filled a gap, just kind of fell on the pile.
2nd & 7 OrSU 6: Shotgun. (stop me if you have heard this before) D Jones with instant pressure up the middle, Werner blitzes and meets him at the QB. Fumble, recovered by Bosa in the end zone.
So, 8 series in
5 TFL's
2 fumble recoveries, one forced, one just a dropped snap
1 defensive TD
held offense to a FG try on a short field
4 very good series, 3 so-so, 1 awful
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9th series. They start it with 4:20 to play in the half. Browning in at MLB for Borland. This is where shit gets weird.
1st & 10 OrSU 25: run a reverse to WR. I will use a screen cap to illustrate my disbilief as to how badly #14 Pryor, the safety, got sucked into the play action the other way:
#20 Werner isn't much better. 13 yards later Sheffield runs him OB
1st & 10 OrSU 38: Bad snap, QB falls on it for -5 yard loss
2 &15, OrSU 33: Fake run action left, QB rolls right. Instant pressure from Young forces quick pass. Covered by Arnette. Incomplete.
3&15: Young pressures QB hard, hand up when he throws forces a wobbly jump ball. Sheffield in good position but loses the 50/50 to WR. tackled at OSU 40 for +27 yard play
1st& 10 OSU 40: bad snap, -12 yard loss
2nd &22 OrSU 48: middle screen to back, #20 Werner slow to recognize and gets blocked. #39 harrison finally catches up 11 yard later
3rd &11, OSU 41: rushmen package in. Arnette in press coverage is beaten badly to the inside. Never touches the guy. Wide open on the slant. 1st down
1st & 10 OSU 29: run action left, roll QB right. Young and Werner all over it force a throw away
2nd & 10: Bosa and Young team up -9 yard sack
3rd & 19 (:42 seconds left): Rushmen package, Werner is MLB. They run a quick draw again (remember when they saw this before they audibled to the same play) this time they get the C on Werner, massive play down to the OSU 8
1st and goal from the 8: clean pocket for QB, Pryor beaten easily for TD
This drive was the corners turn to have a bad time of it but the LB's and Safeties did not fail to pitch in. Pryor was a disaster.
9 defensive series, one of which was on a short field, and only 14 points surrendered isn't the worst thing ever but there are patterns here that are not new so they are concerning.
1st & 10 OrSU 25: run a reverse to WR. I will use a screen cap to illustrate my disbilief as to how badly #14 Pryor, the safety, got sucked into the play action the other way:
#20 Werner isn't much better. 13 yards later Sheffield runs him OB
1st & 10 OrSU 38: Bad snap, QB falls on it for -5 yard loss
2 &15, OrSU 33: Fake run action left, QB rolls right. Instant pressure from Young forces quick pass. Covered by Arnette. Incomplete.
3&15: Young pressures QB hard, hand up when he throws forces a wobbly jump ball. Sheffield in good position but loses the 50/50 to WR. tackled at OSU 40 for +27 yard play
1st& 10 OSU 40: bad snap, -12 yard loss
2nd &22 OrSU 48: middle screen to back, #20 Werner slow to recognize and gets blocked. #39 harrison finally catches up 11 yard later
3rd &11, OSU 41: rushmen package in. Arnette in press coverage is beaten badly to the inside. Never touches the guy. Wide open on the slant. 1st down
1st & 10 OSU 29: run action left, roll QB right. Young and Werner all over it force a throw away
2nd & 10: Bosa and Young team up -9 yard sack
3rd & 19 (:42 seconds left): Rushmen package, Werner is MLB. They run a quick draw again (remember when they saw this before they audibled to the same play) this time they get the C on Werner, massive play down to the OSU 8
1st and goal from the 8: clean pocket for QB, Pryor beaten easily for TD
This drive was the corners turn to have a bad time of it but the LB's and Safeties did not fail to pitch in. Pryor was a disaster.
9 defensive series, one of which was on a short field, and only 14 points surrendered isn't the worst thing ever but there are patterns here that are not new so they are concerning.
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
OSU Defensive Problems a Learning Experience, Fixable
In Saturday’s win over Oregon State, the Buckeye defense allowed 31 points and 392 yards of total offense.
Last year, Ohio State’s defense gave up at least 31 points three times, losing two of those games. And five times the defense gave up over 392 yards of total offense.
In other words, what happened to the Buckeyes defensively on Saturday isn’t entirely unheard of. After all, three of the games with more than 392 yards of offense came against unranked opponents Indiana, Nebraska, and Iowa.
After each of those games — and the Oklahoma game — there were defensive issues to fix.
Following Saturday’s game that saw the Beaver offense execute seven explosive plays (20+ yards), there are still problems to fix in 2018 as well.
While co-defensive coordinator and safeties coach Alex Grinch believes the errors are fixable, that doesn’t change the fact that they happened.
“I think it’s tough to make an immediate interpretation,” Grinch said of the big plays after the game. “Obviously there are several plays that you want to have back, but you can’t. They all count. You can say there’s an easy fix, but it doesn’t really matter. They’re in the books. The yards count, the points count. Some of those are the obviously blunders on the day. Nobody cares about the why in the moment. We’ll find out the why as we evaluate things on film and get those things corrected.”
The whys will give way to the whos and the hows, but for the most part the issues came down to new players in new situations.
Sophomore linebackers Pete Werner and Baron Browning had some struggles on Saturday. Werner lost leverage a couple of times in the first half, and Browning seemingly chose the wrong gap a number of times as well.
Oregon State used screen plays very well, both to running backs and receivers. They also used the Buckeyes’ youth to their advantage.
On the 49-yard touchdown pass to Trevon Bradford, Beavers quarterback Conor Blount performed a not-very-good play-action fake, which froze sophomore free safety Isaiah Pryor, who was defending Bradford in the slot. Bradford ran by Pryor, caught the pass, and fellow safety Jahsen Wint came in too hot to make a tackle.
Pryor was making his first career start at a position that he was only playing because starter Jordan Fuller had been slowed by a hamstring throughout the week. Fuller was a game-time decision and was ultimately held back. That put Pryor — who would have been the starter at strong safety — in man-coverage responsibilities against slot receivers. Oregon State smartly took advantage of the Buckeyes’ youth.
Because of the injuries to Fuller and middle linebacker Tuf Borland, the Buckeyes were missing their two best players in the back seven. This wasn’t quite the Ohio State defense we’ll see down the road, but as Grinch said, “They all count.”
The Buckeyes operate with the mantra of “next man up” and so they took the field as best as they could. There was some mystery as to how they would perform, but there was also plenty of mystery as to what they would be looking at when the Beaver offense took the field.
In studying Oregon State’s offense, the Buckeye defensive coaching staff had to go back to look at Washington’s offense because that’s where new head coach Jonathan Smith was last year, and also Colorado’s offense because that’s where OSU offensive coordinator Brian Lindgren was a year ago.
Those questions didn’t make things any easier for an Ohio State defense that already had plenty to worry about.
“There’s a lot of unknowns,” Grinch said. “There’s always an unknown going into the first week, but obviously when you add the new staff, a coordinator and obviously a head coach with an offensive background, you don’t know exactly what they’re going to do, but we had a pretty good feel.
“I felt from a preparation standpoint guys handled it well. You know, some missed opportunities. What you find out is you can say, ‘Well, one play was a TFL, and they run the exact same play and it breaks for a gain.’ That doesn’t make it okay. In any event, we’ve got to get to the bottom of it. We’ve got to make tackles and we’ve got to make sure we’re swarming to the football and that a play that breaks for five doesn’t turn into 15. And obviously we had the extreme ones today that good defenses don’t have.”
Entire article: https://theozone.net/2018/09/osu-defensive-problems-fixable/
In Saturday’s win over Oregon State, the Buckeye defense allowed 31 points and 392 yards of total offense.
Last year, Ohio State’s defense gave up at least 31 points three times, losing two of those games. And five times the defense gave up over 392 yards of total offense.
In other words, what happened to the Buckeyes defensively on Saturday isn’t entirely unheard of. After all, three of the games with more than 392 yards of offense came against unranked opponents Indiana, Nebraska, and Iowa.
After each of those games — and the Oklahoma game — there were defensive issues to fix.
Following Saturday’s game that saw the Beaver offense execute seven explosive plays (20+ yards), there are still problems to fix in 2018 as well.
While co-defensive coordinator and safeties coach Alex Grinch believes the errors are fixable, that doesn’t change the fact that they happened.
“I think it’s tough to make an immediate interpretation,” Grinch said of the big plays after the game. “Obviously there are several plays that you want to have back, but you can’t. They all count. You can say there’s an easy fix, but it doesn’t really matter. They’re in the books. The yards count, the points count. Some of those are the obviously blunders on the day. Nobody cares about the why in the moment. We’ll find out the why as we evaluate things on film and get those things corrected.”
The whys will give way to the whos and the hows, but for the most part the issues came down to new players in new situations.
Sophomore linebackers Pete Werner and Baron Browning had some struggles on Saturday. Werner lost leverage a couple of times in the first half, and Browning seemingly chose the wrong gap a number of times as well.
Oregon State used screen plays very well, both to running backs and receivers. They also used the Buckeyes’ youth to their advantage.
On the 49-yard touchdown pass to Trevon Bradford, Beavers quarterback Conor Blount performed a not-very-good play-action fake, which froze sophomore free safety Isaiah Pryor, who was defending Bradford in the slot. Bradford ran by Pryor, caught the pass, and fellow safety Jahsen Wint came in too hot to make a tackle.
Pryor was making his first career start at a position that he was only playing because starter Jordan Fuller had been slowed by a hamstring throughout the week. Fuller was a game-time decision and was ultimately held back. That put Pryor — who would have been the starter at strong safety — in man-coverage responsibilities against slot receivers. Oregon State smartly took advantage of the Buckeyes’ youth.
Because of the injuries to Fuller and middle linebacker Tuf Borland, the Buckeyes were missing their two best players in the back seven. This wasn’t quite the Ohio State defense we’ll see down the road, but as Grinch said, “They all count.”
The Buckeyes operate with the mantra of “next man up” and so they took the field as best as they could. There was some mystery as to how they would perform, but there was also plenty of mystery as to what they would be looking at when the Beaver offense took the field.
In studying Oregon State’s offense, the Buckeye defensive coaching staff had to go back to look at Washington’s offense because that’s where new head coach Jonathan Smith was last year, and also Colorado’s offense because that’s where OSU offensive coordinator Brian Lindgren was a year ago.
Those questions didn’t make things any easier for an Ohio State defense that already had plenty to worry about.
“There’s a lot of unknowns,” Grinch said. “There’s always an unknown going into the first week, but obviously when you add the new staff, a coordinator and obviously a head coach with an offensive background, you don’t know exactly what they’re going to do, but we had a pretty good feel.
“I felt from a preparation standpoint guys handled it well. You know, some missed opportunities. What you find out is you can say, ‘Well, one play was a TFL, and they run the exact same play and it breaks for a gain.’ That doesn’t make it okay. In any event, we’ve got to get to the bottom of it. We’ve got to make tackles and we’ve got to make sure we’re swarming to the football and that a play that breaks for five doesn’t turn into 15. And obviously we had the extreme ones today that good defenses don’t have.”
Entire article: https://theozone.net/2018/09/osu-defensive-problems-fixable/
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Interesting that you bring up 2014, because that year our back-7 issues lasted at least until the September 27th game against Cinci. But how many of the coaches that fixed those problems are still here? I guess we'll see if the guys we have now can do the same.
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bukIpower
Head Coach
Stand corrected Pryor also struggled...to me out of all of what you said it still boils down to this.
1. Our safeties were not comfortable in their roles. They missed Fuller's presense badly.
2. Borland was missed in the middle.
3. We need to be more disciplined
Once Borland went in the middle all the sudden wasnt open. Also we were missing perhaps the best safety in football.
I'm some how not worried when I look back on it. If it happened while our full starting group was in I'd be worried but it didnt. We just have to get healthy and calm down.
I thought we played a little wreckless (especially once we went up 42-7) and we will calm down.
Besides Meyer will be back today and you'd have to think he will have questions about the defense
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Fuller and Boreland returning is obviously a huge positive. I think some of the over aggressive type mental mistakes can be corrected, Werner and Pryor losing contain for instance.
The ones that scare me are what I consider more instinctual, such as Browning not having the right feel/instincts to plug the correct gap and Wint not taking good, or even passable, angles.
The Browning thing feeds the SPARQ over instincts narrative*.
*My .02 on this one: Ideally you have Chris Spielman's football mind inside of Baron Browning's body for every kid in the LB room. Coming up somewhat short of that with most humans, I'd rather have a bunch of guys who are athletic enough to overcome less than perfect execution than a bunch of guys who's athleticism requires that they execute perfectly at all times or be an instant liability.
I hope they start to find more of the hybrid guys, good enough athleticism and solid instincts, instead of over indexing to one extreme or the other with the plan being that they can be coached up. In other words I'd rather have Brian Rolle at MLB with just enough athleticism and all the instincts than Curtis Grant with all the physical and not nearly enough instinct.
I'm not bashing the kids, it isn't their fault if they lack the instincts. Coaches need to identify who has it and who doesn't then recruit accordingly.
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Onebuckfan
classof76
Billy Davis still hasn’t got it ..these aren’t Pros yet. He needs to teach basic LB play not PHD material. Browning is overthinking.
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Systems_id
Head Coach
I think this is the answer honestly. Proof was last year when they only lost Kwon and the LB core looked like they've never played football before after being solid the year before.
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not quite yet but he's putting himself in a position to be
Hopefully Grinich and Schiano can cover for him.
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Buckeye86
I do not choose to discuss it
Baker’s head was in the NFL all year, Booker was (and is) apparently not very good, and Chris Worley was badly out of position at MLB- I thought he looked and played a lot better when they moved him back to the edge to bring in Borland, who was super young.
This year Werner is super young, Harrison is still learning the ropes, Browning is super young and out of position at MLB, and Borland is returning from injury.
I agree that Davis is on a short leash and deserves scrutiny- it all depends on improvement throughout this year.
Borland returning full time to provide leadership, experience, and to let Browning bump back out to the edge will be huge.
I am still optimistic about this group.
This year Werner is super young, Harrison is still learning the ropes, Browning is super young and out of position at MLB, and Borland is returning from injury.
I agree that Davis is on a short leash and deserves scrutiny- it all depends on improvement throughout this year.
Borland returning full time to provide leadership, experience, and to let Browning bump back out to the edge will be huge.
I am still optimistic about this group.
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