HorseshoeFetish
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Shut up, Jake.
Don't listen to that guy. Pretty sure we will never throw one of those sideline things again.
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Don't listen to that guy. Pretty sure we will never throw one of those sideline things again.
ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
REPORT CARD: UPDATED GRADES FOR EACH OHIO STATE POSITION GROUP AFTER EIGHT GAMES, WIN VS. PENN STATE
The following grades for each Ohio State unit are meant to reflect each unit’s performance over the course of the entire season, not only the last game and including the games that were already graded in the first trimester. With that being said, though, these grades also seek to reflect how each unit has improved over the course of the season and performed in comparison to preseason expectation, while giving weight to big performances in big games, as the Buckeyes’ most recent game against Penn State certainly was.
QUARTERBACKS: A-
If Ohio State’s quarterback was being graded solely on his performance against Penn State, J.T. Barrett would receive an A+. The Buckeye senior had arguably the best game of his career, and one of the best games by any quarterback in college football this season, when he completed 33 of 39 passes for 328 yards and four touchdowns – including three straight touchdown drives in the fourth quarter – and ran for an additional 95 yards to lead the Buckeyes to a season-saving victory.
That performance was Barrett at his best, and proved to the nation that he could carry a team to victory on his back against top competition, but it was truly a continuation of what Barrett’s been doing all season. Barrett has thrown 25 touchdown passes to just one interception and ranks third in the Football Bowl Subdivision in passer rating (176.2), fifth in the FBS in completion percentage (69.5) and ninth in total offense (327.5 yards per game).
The only thing that keeps Barrett from getting a straight A is his performance against Oklahoma, when he threw his only interception of the year, did not throw any of his touchdowns and simply could not establish any rhythm in a loss that still leaves the Buckeyes without any margin of error for the rest of the season. But giving Barrett an A-minus despite his poor performance in the Buckeyes’ second biggest game of the season to date is intended to be a reflection on just how well he’s played since.
If Barrett can continue to play at that level at the next month – which could move him to the head of the class in the Heisman Trophy race – he’ll be well on his way to earning an A for the season, even with the Oklahoma blemish, before it comes to an end.
RUNNING BACKS: A-
Although he wasn’t used as heavily in the second trimester of the season as he was in the first, J.K. Dobbins has continued to take advantage of his touches when he gets them, averaging more than 7.6 yards per carry. With 863 rushing yards along with eight catches for 64 yards, Dobbins still has more than twice as many yards from scrimmage as any other player on the Buckeyes offense.
Mike Weber, on the other hand, played a bigger role in the second trimester of the season after taking only seven carries – a result of being limited by a hamstring injury – in the first four games of the year. Weber has re-emerged as a significant player for the Buckeyes, scoring five touchdowns in their last four games, but he still hasn’t shown as much pop as he did as a freshman, averaging just 4.5 yards per carry this year compared to 6.0 yards per carry last year.
Even still, Dobbins and Weber have combined to average more than 6.6 yards per carry as a duo, showing the ability they have to give the Buckeyes an elite one-two punch.
For the Buckeye running backs to finish the season with an A grade, Weber needs to show that he can shift his game up into another gear, Dobbins must continue to take advantage of his opportunities and perhaps most importantly, the coaches must give them opportunities to shine, particularly by continuing to feed them and giving them red-zone scoring opportunities when they are moving the chains down the field. There’s been a lot to like, though, about how productive the Buckeye running backs have combined to be productive with the opportunities they’ve had.
Entire article: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...ion-group-after-eight-games-win-vs-penn-state
The following grades for each Ohio State unit are meant to reflect each unit’s performance over the course of the entire season, not only the last game and including the games that were already graded in the first trimester. With that being said, though, these grades also seek to reflect how each unit has improved over the course of the season and performed in comparison to preseason expectation, while giving weight to big performances in big games, as the Buckeyes’ most recent game against Penn State certainly was.
QUARTERBACKS: A-
If Ohio State’s quarterback was being graded solely on his performance against Penn State, J.T. Barrett would receive an A+. The Buckeye senior had arguably the best game of his career, and one of the best games by any quarterback in college football this season, when he completed 33 of 39 passes for 328 yards and four touchdowns – including three straight touchdown drives in the fourth quarter – and ran for an additional 95 yards to lead the Buckeyes to a season-saving victory.
That performance was Barrett at his best, and proved to the nation that he could carry a team to victory on his back against top competition, but it was truly a continuation of what Barrett’s been doing all season. Barrett has thrown 25 touchdown passes to just one interception and ranks third in the Football Bowl Subdivision in passer rating (176.2), fifth in the FBS in completion percentage (69.5) and ninth in total offense (327.5 yards per game).
The only thing that keeps Barrett from getting a straight A is his performance against Oklahoma, when he threw his only interception of the year, did not throw any of his touchdowns and simply could not establish any rhythm in a loss that still leaves the Buckeyes without any margin of error for the rest of the season. But giving Barrett an A-minus despite his poor performance in the Buckeyes’ second biggest game of the season to date is intended to be a reflection on just how well he’s played since.
If Barrett can continue to play at that level at the next month – which could move him to the head of the class in the Heisman Trophy race – he’ll be well on his way to earning an A for the season, even with the Oklahoma blemish, before it comes to an end.
RUNNING BACKS: A-
Although he wasn’t used as heavily in the second trimester of the season as he was in the first, J.K. Dobbins has continued to take advantage of his touches when he gets them, averaging more than 7.6 yards per carry. With 863 rushing yards along with eight catches for 64 yards, Dobbins still has more than twice as many yards from scrimmage as any other player on the Buckeyes offense.
Mike Weber, on the other hand, played a bigger role in the second trimester of the season after taking only seven carries – a result of being limited by a hamstring injury – in the first four games of the year. Weber has re-emerged as a significant player for the Buckeyes, scoring five touchdowns in their last four games, but he still hasn’t shown as much pop as he did as a freshman, averaging just 4.5 yards per carry this year compared to 6.0 yards per carry last year.
Even still, Dobbins and Weber have combined to average more than 6.6 yards per carry as a duo, showing the ability they have to give the Buckeyes an elite one-two punch.
For the Buckeye running backs to finish the season with an A grade, Weber needs to show that he can shift his game up into another gear, Dobbins must continue to take advantage of his opportunities and perhaps most importantly, the coaches must give them opportunities to shine, particularly by continuing to feed them and giving them red-zone scoring opportunities when they are moving the chains down the field. There’s been a lot to like, though, about how productive the Buckeye running backs have combined to be productive with the opportunities they’ve had.
Entire article: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...ion-group-after-eight-games-win-vs-penn-state
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
OHIO STATE CONFIDENT IN J.K. DOBBINS AS PASS PROTECTOR DESPITE LEANING ON MIKE WEBER AGAINST PENN STATE
In the most important moments of Ohio State’s season to date, J.K. Dobbins wasn’t on the field.
While Ohio State’s offense scored on three straight fourth-quarter drives to earn a 39-38 win over Penn State, the Buckeyes’ star freshman running back wasn’t on the field for any of them.
Dobbins has been Ohio State’s most productive runner this year, averaging more than 7.6 yards per carry on a team-high 113 carries, with an average of at least 5.5 yards per carry in every one of the Buckeyes’ eight games. But when Saturday’s game (and season) was on the line, and the Buckeyes needed to pass their way to a comeback win, Ohio State decided Mike Weber – who has averaged only 4.5 yards per carry this season – was the running back who should be in the game.
Ohio State coach Urban Meyer and offensive coordinator Kevin Wilson said they allow running back coach Tony Alford, who was not scheduled to speak with the media this week, to make decisions on running back playing time without micromanaging. Wilson did confirm Wednesday that the coaching staff considers Weber to be the team’s best pass-protecting running back, which played a part in why Dobbins didn’t see any snaps on the game’s most important possessions. But Wilson and Meyer also said they are confident in Dobbins’ ability to pass protect if he is on the field for the Buckeyes in a crucial situation later in the season.
"I think we felt that we were going to throw the ball a lot. And they were a heavy blitz team. And our six-man protection where the tailback blocks, J.K.’s done a nice job but Mike is our best pass-blocking tailback," Wilson said. "Mike Weber’s a little bit more experienced, a little stronger and Penn State was a big pressure team, but J.K.’s been awesome in pass pro, so I don’t have an issue with him playing one snap or anything."
Entire article: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...pite-leaning-on-mike-weber-against-penn-state
In the most important moments of Ohio State’s season to date, J.K. Dobbins wasn’t on the field.
While Ohio State’s offense scored on three straight fourth-quarter drives to earn a 39-38 win over Penn State, the Buckeyes’ star freshman running back wasn’t on the field for any of them.
Dobbins has been Ohio State’s most productive runner this year, averaging more than 7.6 yards per carry on a team-high 113 carries, with an average of at least 5.5 yards per carry in every one of the Buckeyes’ eight games. But when Saturday’s game (and season) was on the line, and the Buckeyes needed to pass their way to a comeback win, Ohio State decided Mike Weber – who has averaged only 4.5 yards per carry this season – was the running back who should be in the game.
Ohio State coach Urban Meyer and offensive coordinator Kevin Wilson said they allow running back coach Tony Alford, who was not scheduled to speak with the media this week, to make decisions on running back playing time without micromanaging. Wilson did confirm Wednesday that the coaching staff considers Weber to be the team’s best pass-protecting running back, which played a part in why Dobbins didn’t see any snaps on the game’s most important possessions. But Wilson and Meyer also said they are confident in Dobbins’ ability to pass protect if he is on the field for the Buckeyes in a crucial situation later in the season.
"I think we felt that we were going to throw the ball a lot. And they were a heavy blitz team. And our six-man protection where the tailback blocks, J.K.’s done a nice job but Mike is our best pass-blocking tailback," Wilson said. "Mike Weber’s a little bit more experienced, a little stronger and Penn State was a big pressure team, but J.K.’s been awesome in pass pro, so I don’t have an issue with him playing one snap or anything."
Entire article: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...pite-leaning-on-mike-weber-against-penn-state
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I stole this from JT's thread, because this discussion isn't allowed to clutter that GOAT's thread.
I understand this point......but if a play needs to be set up by 15 shitty plays, maybe that one good play isn't quite worth it. Unless the D is lined up like Penn State was a couple times on those throws to the sideline that gained us 5-10 yards, I never want to see that play again.
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Because of those plays, JT had Dixon for six but was late/behind. He also had wide open options all game long.
What I'd like to see is a lot less of Mike Weber in the horizontal passing game.
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So the conversation is....are those plays worth losing 3 yards every time we throw it to the side line?
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I think the bigger question is whether the problem is the playcall or the execution.
-5 Weber (if baugh maintains his block, that's a 7+ yd gain. Followed immediately by a drop near first down. brutal series. Happy for him to rally later like he did)
7 Hill
These are different playcalls (the first was a true screen, the second was a run pass option), but two things strike me on the second play:
1) The defender met Hill 2 yds upfield, Hill evaded. Then Hill gave a stutter step to stretch a 5 yd gain into a 7 yd gain (and almost more).
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bukIpower
Head Coach
Those swing passes/quick tosses out wide is just a numbers game. A lot of the time its not a call its a check for JT. If the defense is aligned to take away the run they also cannot be aligned to take away the screen and it's just numbers by throwing it out there.
I actually really like the quick throws because its normally a 1 vs 1 situation and rarely does it go for anything but a gain. As winslow pointed out if we block them right those negative plays aren't negative plays at all.
More then that though I think its a great throw to give JT some easy completions to give him some confidence (easy yards and a score is a cherry on top) and really sets up the throws over the middle later. IMO it's probably difficult to just line up and throw it where you want without getting the opponent to look elsewhere first. Exactly why it's tough to just come out and bomb It deep without establishing the running game first.
I actually really like the quick throws because its normally a 1 vs 1 situation and rarely does it go for anything but a gain. As winslow pointed out if we block them right those negative plays aren't negative plays at all.
More then that though I think its a great throw to give JT some easy completions to give him some confidence (easy yards and a score is a cherry on top) and really sets up the throws over the middle later. IMO it's probably difficult to just line up and throw it where you want without getting the opponent to look elsewhere first. Exactly why it's tough to just come out and bomb It deep without establishing the running game first.
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I'd love to hear a brighter football mind than mine breakdown the safety play and how it put PSU's run supporting safety on his heels a bit, even if it did not always lead to great yardage on those horizontal passes (that function as runs).
4 rec 0 yd - 00.00 per - Weber
4 rec 27 yd - 6.75 per - Hill
-5 Weber - blown block by Baugh - 1st & 15
+7 Hill - run pass option, block executed, nice moves by Hill
0 not thrown - 1st & 10 in RZ, 5:50 1 QTR - run pass option - penetration stopped wide open screen to Hill. Worst case he gains 7 yds.
PA - pump fake screen, has Baugh down the seam for six, but pressure disrupts play. 1:50 1 QTR
-1 Hill - eludes first tackler, but blocked defender disrupts play enough for help to arrive.
(sidenote, I love the rollout throwback to Mack. Pulling guard provided protection, he plants on the far hash and rips it back to Mack who had 10 yds of cushion)
INC Weber - play action fake, checkdown to Weber to avoid sack. Fortunately thrown poorly for no gain instead of loss.
- The safety is consumed by the horizontal focus. Without pressure, JT has Saunders running wide open for a big gain behind the vacated spot of the safety.
Watch the safety on this bread and butter play for JT:
The screen forces him to stay honest, even when it's clear that JT is keeping it on the option. JT is not Braxton, he's a very average athlete with great feel and toughness. This run takes a long time to materialize. Without that horizontal constraint, that safety closes that down for a 1-2 yd gain with a big hit. Instead JT can casually pick up an easy 5 yds.
10 yd Hill - quick screen, great block by Mack, good burst from Hill. Also a quick release from JT (sometimes an issue on these)
-4 yd Weber - pressured checkdown, swing pass with no chance of positive yardage.
This play demonstrates what KJ brings to the table:
9 yd Hill - The defender arrives early in the play, but KJ freezes him just a hair and is able to burst upfield for 9 yds thanks to strong blocking.
(13 yd Saunders - faked a quick out, defender crept up on JT, easy throw 10 yds downfield for a first down. Put defender in no man's land with constant horizontal constraints and run/pass option)
-2 yd Dobbins - swing pass - 2nd & 11 in redzone. No chance. He eluded one defender, with two others right behind.
1 yd Hill - quick screen, also getting rid of it to avoid pressure
7 yd Weber - motioned out before snap, caught 2 yds behind LOS, gained 7 w/ foolish hurdle. Also a checkdown to avoid sack.
2 yd Weber - checkdown, looked off deep routes (covered?). Eluded tackler but stepped out doing so.
(more playcall/route praise, Dixon TD was gorgeous. OSU has been sorely missing these kind of pure WR skills in last 2 years. After countless drag routes and crossing patterns, Dixon fakes another one, plants his foot and explode behind LB for an easy TD down the middle).
No actual throws behind the LOS on the final two drives, but:
Game winning TD, alignment forced safety to roll up into the nickel spot, he stayed home for screen. Instead, LB was supposed to drop back to cover Baugh, does so poorly and it's an easy score for the win.
4 rec 0 yd - 00.00 per - Weber
4 rec 27 yd - 6.75 per - Hill
-5 Weber - blown block by Baugh - 1st & 15
+7 Hill - run pass option, block executed, nice moves by Hill
0 not thrown - 1st & 10 in RZ, 5:50 1 QTR - run pass option - penetration stopped wide open screen to Hill. Worst case he gains 7 yds.
PA - pump fake screen, has Baugh down the seam for six, but pressure disrupts play. 1:50 1 QTR
-1 Hill - eludes first tackler, but blocked defender disrupts play enough for help to arrive.
(sidenote, I love the rollout throwback to Mack. Pulling guard provided protection, he plants on the far hash and rips it back to Mack who had 10 yds of cushion)
INC Weber - play action fake, checkdown to Weber to avoid sack. Fortunately thrown poorly for no gain instead of loss.
- The safety is consumed by the horizontal focus. Without pressure, JT has Saunders running wide open for a big gain behind the vacated spot of the safety.
Watch the safety on this bread and butter play for JT:
The screen forces him to stay honest, even when it's clear that JT is keeping it on the option. JT is not Braxton, he's a very average athlete with great feel and toughness. This run takes a long time to materialize. Without that horizontal constraint, that safety closes that down for a 1-2 yd gain with a big hit. Instead JT can casually pick up an easy 5 yds.
10 yd Hill - quick screen, great block by Mack, good burst from Hill. Also a quick release from JT (sometimes an issue on these)
-4 yd Weber - pressured checkdown, swing pass with no chance of positive yardage.
This play demonstrates what KJ brings to the table:
9 yd Hill - The defender arrives early in the play, but KJ freezes him just a hair and is able to burst upfield for 9 yds thanks to strong blocking.
(13 yd Saunders - faked a quick out, defender crept up on JT, easy throw 10 yds downfield for a first down. Put defender in no man's land with constant horizontal constraints and run/pass option)
-2 yd Dobbins - swing pass - 2nd & 11 in redzone. No chance. He eluded one defender, with two others right behind.
1 yd Hill - quick screen, also getting rid of it to avoid pressure
7 yd Weber - motioned out before snap, caught 2 yds behind LOS, gained 7 w/ foolish hurdle. Also a checkdown to avoid sack.
2 yd Weber - checkdown, looked off deep routes (covered?). Eluded tackler but stepped out doing so.
(more playcall/route praise, Dixon TD was gorgeous. OSU has been sorely missing these kind of pure WR skills in last 2 years. After countless drag routes and crossing patterns, Dixon fakes another one, plants his foot and explode behind LB for an easy TD down the middle).
No actual throws behind the LOS on the final two drives, but:
Game winning TD, alignment forced safety to roll up into the nickel spot, he stayed home for screen. Instead, LB was supposed to drop back to cover Baugh, does so poorly and it's an easy score for the win.
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Taosman
Your Cousin In New Mexxico
The execution of the pass to the sidelines is mostly on JT's read. The whole sequence is happening so fast that JT needs to make a good decision on were the ball is going in seconds. He'll get better and better at that and trust his reads more. But there will always be some mistakes made because the play is happening so fast. We have to live with the few bad decisions made.
What Wilson and Day have done is amazing! I'm starting to think they might be better than the outstanding Herman for play calling and coaching. And that's a big statement because Herman was outstanding.
What Wilson and Day have done is amazing! I'm starting to think they might be better than the outstanding Herman for play calling and coaching. And that's a big statement because Herman was outstanding.
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bukIpower
Head Coach
Personally I have been more impressed with Kevin and Coach Day. I know Herman helped win us a title but there wasn't much of a secret what we wanted to do that year. Run Zeke, run the QB, do the touch passes, and take the shot down field.
It just seems like we execute high level concepts at a very successful clip and we don't need to lean on the QB run as much as well as the touch passes that we ran 5 times a game. I think this offense though is deeper with two tailbacks, two tight ends, and six WR's. Though having a senior QB instead of a freshman sure can help things.
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scarletngray
Gold Pants
There will probably be little tweaks here and there but if we just continue to control the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball everything else will fall into place. It basically comes down to that.
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Systems_id
Head Coach
Day has been a godsend. In 2016 Barrett could barely complete a damn pass towards the end of the year against even bad defenses. Now he looks like Peyton Manning. Gameplan wise I'd say it's about even although it feels like we're stretching the field vertically more with Wilson with JT at the helm. Just a beautiful thing to watch.
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