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scarletngray
Gold Pants
Fair analysis. The deep ball is still a missing element in the passing game. I think that as Wilson gains more confidence in the OL and our receivers develop that we will see more deep balls being thrown and hopefully completed.
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bukIpower
Head Coach
Yeah I'm just not getting the many people saying he looks the same. If they're dropping 8 then there's bound to be people taking away the deep throws as a result. It's just not folks covering 5 yards from the LOS because if that were the case we wouldn't have hit so many passes underneath.
We took what they gave us against IU and with that being the case we still should've hit them deep once for six.
JT had a number of drops and a number of throw aways.. he missed Mack on a fade also is the only throw I think he should've hit.
We took what they gave us against IU and with that being the case we still should've hit them deep once for six.
JT had a number of drops and a number of throw aways.. he missed Mack on a fade also is the only throw I think he should've hit.
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For the most part I agree with you
Where I would extend the observation is that there was more improvement from 1st half to second than there was at any point last year
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This is what's is the most encouraging thing to take away from the game...aside from getting the win.
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martinss01
blissfully stupid
i think that is a result of coaching tbh. just me but i found our play calling and adjustments the past two seasons to be very limited in scope and imagination. i know its from 2 years ago. but i will never ever ever never forgive them for not throwing a single short pass to braxton miller, let alone anything behind the los. the kids greatest gift as a wr was his ability to make people miss. yet i don't remember him catching a single pass that was shorter than 7 yards. mind boggling stuff i tell ya.
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Drop eight, we'll start to draw you to death. Delayed runs will feast. I'm good with that. He only had to be on the same page with WRs in zone because we'll cross people to death vs man.
Not one time last season do I remember that kind of adjustment. I'm excited for this week!
Not one time last season do I remember that kind of adjustment. I'm excited for this week!
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
FILM STUDY: SHALLOW GAINS IN THE PASSING GAME AGAINST INDIANA
Every interested party had a theory for why the Ohio State passing game struggled in 2016. But no matter the root cause last fall, the expectation both inside and out of the Woody Hayes Athletic Center was that those issues would be corrected in time for the 2017 opener in Bloomington, Indiana.
With two new masterminds, coordinator Kevin Wilson and QB coach Ryan Day, in the booth upstairs, a host of talented but untested receivers ready to make their mark, and a veteran signal-caller taking snaps, the Buckeye offense looked as dangerous as advertised on their opening drive against the Hoosiers on Thursday night. J.T. Barrett completed four of five attempts for 55 yards, spreading the ball around to a different receiver on each completion and making last fall seem like a distant memory.
As the first half progressed, however, the same old issues seemed to creep up. After a series of drops, overthrown passes, and check-downs to the backs, four consecutive OSU possessions ended in punts. As they headed to the locker room at halftime, Barrett's stat line was only 10-21 for 95 yards as his team had fallen behind the Hoosiers 14-13.
Even as the Buckeyes re-emerged for their first drive of the second half, the groans from Columbus reverberated throughout the internet as Parris Campbell dropped two big passes downfield - including a perfectly thrown ball into the end zone. But Campbell would, of course, find redemption on the next drive, turning a short crossing route into a 28-yard gain and setting up an eventual touchdown.
That completion to Campbell would ignite the OSU offense for the rest of the evening, with the short passing game taking center stage. Barrett would go 10-14, tallying 209 yards, and post a blistering 267.55 QB rating in the in the second half alone.
When examining what triggered the Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde performance, the common play-calling seen on the first drive and then again in the second half clearly stands out.
Coming into this season, Barrett was known for his good decision-making and excellent short-to-medium accuracy. According to Pro Football Focus, Barrett's adjusted completion rate - which removes drops, throwaways, and balls thrown while the passer is hit - was the sixth-highest among returning QBs in the nation at 75.8% last fall. For comparison, that number tied expected top pick Sam Darnold's mark and was better than that of other top prospects like Josh Rosen, Mason Rudolph, and Lamar Jackson.
In fact, Barrett holds the highest mark of any returning QB in adjusted completion rate on passes thrown within 1-5 yards from the line of scrimmage at 93%. To take advantage of this trait, Wilson and Day installed a play that has long been a favorite of Day's former boss and mentor, Chip Kelly.
Kelly may be best known for his uptempo, zone-read driven offense that dominated at Oregon and eventually fell flat in the NFL, but back when he was calling plays at the University of New Hampshire - with Day taking snaps at QB - Kelly was assembling a Frankenstein-like offense featuring pieces and parts from every offensive system imaginable.
As Day told Philadelphia Magazine in 2015,
“At that time, we were changing offenses every week. We would go from Run ‘n Shoot to the Wing-T to the Veer. One week we threw it six times, the next week we threw it 65 times,” Day recalled. “Coach kind of had a laboratory there, and it was a lot of fun to be around.”
One of the schemes Kelly found at the time was a staple of Mike Martz's St Louis Rams playbook, known then as the Greatest Show on Turf. Martz had adapted the classic Air Raid 'Mesh' concept to fit his personnel, given he could call on one of the greatest pass-catching running backs of all time in Marshall Faulk.
In Martz's Mesh, there are still two short crossing routes in the middle of the field, but the QB's read starts with a wheel route to the back outside. If that's not open, he moves just inside to the first crossing route, then to a short hook route in the middle of the field that sits between the linebackers, before finally scanning back across the field to the other mesh crosser.
The Buckeyes called this play over and over against the Hoosiers, with many of the team's biggest plays all coming from it, including J.K. Dobbins' big third down reception on the opening drive, Campbell's initial catch and run, and Johnnie Dixon's 59-yard touchdown scamper.
However, 'Rams Mesh' wasn't the only crossing route concept that took advantage of the Buckeyes' existing skill set. Though Campbell, Dixon, and the rest of the young OSU receivers still seem to struggle with hauling in throws downfield, they're still blessed with exceptional speed and quickness.
Unlike years past in which the Buckeyes have tried to get similar players like Philly Brown, Braxton Miller, and Curtis Samuel the ball on option routes to the slot that ask the receiver to stand still before making a catch, crossing routes allow Barrett to make an easy throw that hits his receiver in stride, allowing these great athletes to make plays with their feet and not just their hands.
Campbell would rack up 136 receiving yards on the night, despite not catching a ball more than seven yards downfield. He was also the beneficiary of another Air Raid scheme Wilson and Day installed this spring, the Shallow Cross. While some versions call for the play-side slot receiver to run an 8-10 yard 'Dig' route, Wilson's runs a similar hook route to the Rams Mesh, creating a rub on the inside linebacker whom the QB is reading on the play and often freeing up the underneath crosser for an easy catch and run.
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Entire article: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...ssing-game-continues-after-only-shallow-gains
Every interested party had a theory for why the Ohio State passing game struggled in 2016. But no matter the root cause last fall, the expectation both inside and out of the Woody Hayes Athletic Center was that those issues would be corrected in time for the 2017 opener in Bloomington, Indiana.
With two new masterminds, coordinator Kevin Wilson and QB coach Ryan Day, in the booth upstairs, a host of talented but untested receivers ready to make their mark, and a veteran signal-caller taking snaps, the Buckeye offense looked as dangerous as advertised on their opening drive against the Hoosiers on Thursday night. J.T. Barrett completed four of five attempts for 55 yards, spreading the ball around to a different receiver on each completion and making last fall seem like a distant memory.
As the first half progressed, however, the same old issues seemed to creep up. After a series of drops, overthrown passes, and check-downs to the backs, four consecutive OSU possessions ended in punts. As they headed to the locker room at halftime, Barrett's stat line was only 10-21 for 95 yards as his team had fallen behind the Hoosiers 14-13.
Even as the Buckeyes re-emerged for their first drive of the second half, the groans from Columbus reverberated throughout the internet as Parris Campbell dropped two big passes downfield - including a perfectly thrown ball into the end zone. But Campbell would, of course, find redemption on the next drive, turning a short crossing route into a 28-yard gain and setting up an eventual touchdown.
That completion to Campbell would ignite the OSU offense for the rest of the evening, with the short passing game taking center stage. Barrett would go 10-14, tallying 209 yards, and post a blistering 267.55 QB rating in the in the second half alone.
When examining what triggered the Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde performance, the common play-calling seen on the first drive and then again in the second half clearly stands out.
Coming into this season, Barrett was known for his good decision-making and excellent short-to-medium accuracy. According to Pro Football Focus, Barrett's adjusted completion rate - which removes drops, throwaways, and balls thrown while the passer is hit - was the sixth-highest among returning QBs in the nation at 75.8% last fall. For comparison, that number tied expected top pick Sam Darnold's mark and was better than that of other top prospects like Josh Rosen, Mason Rudolph, and Lamar Jackson.
In fact, Barrett holds the highest mark of any returning QB in adjusted completion rate on passes thrown within 1-5 yards from the line of scrimmage at 93%. To take advantage of this trait, Wilson and Day installed a play that has long been a favorite of Day's former boss and mentor, Chip Kelly.
Kelly may be best known for his uptempo, zone-read driven offense that dominated at Oregon and eventually fell flat in the NFL, but back when he was calling plays at the University of New Hampshire - with Day taking snaps at QB - Kelly was assembling a Frankenstein-like offense featuring pieces and parts from every offensive system imaginable.
As Day told Philadelphia Magazine in 2015,
“At that time, we were changing offenses every week. We would go from Run ‘n Shoot to the Wing-T to the Veer. One week we threw it six times, the next week we threw it 65 times,” Day recalled. “Coach kind of had a laboratory there, and it was a lot of fun to be around.”
One of the schemes Kelly found at the time was a staple of Mike Martz's St Louis Rams playbook, known then as the Greatest Show on Turf. Martz had adapted the classic Air Raid 'Mesh' concept to fit his personnel, given he could call on one of the greatest pass-catching running backs of all time in Marshall Faulk.
In Martz's Mesh, there are still two short crossing routes in the middle of the field, but the QB's read starts with a wheel route to the back outside. If that's not open, he moves just inside to the first crossing route, then to a short hook route in the middle of the field that sits between the linebackers, before finally scanning back across the field to the other mesh crosser.
The Buckeyes called this play over and over against the Hoosiers, with many of the team's biggest plays all coming from it, including J.K. Dobbins' big third down reception on the opening drive, Campbell's initial catch and run, and Johnnie Dixon's 59-yard touchdown scamper.
However, 'Rams Mesh' wasn't the only crossing route concept that took advantage of the Buckeyes' existing skill set. Though Campbell, Dixon, and the rest of the young OSU receivers still seem to struggle with hauling in throws downfield, they're still blessed with exceptional speed and quickness.
Unlike years past in which the Buckeyes have tried to get similar players like Philly Brown, Braxton Miller, and Curtis Samuel the ball on option routes to the slot that ask the receiver to stand still before making a catch, crossing routes allow Barrett to make an easy throw that hits his receiver in stride, allowing these great athletes to make plays with their feet and not just their hands.
Campbell would rack up 136 receiving yards on the night, despite not catching a ball more than seven yards downfield. He was also the beneficiary of another Air Raid scheme Wilson and Day installed this spring, the Shallow Cross. While some versions call for the play-side slot receiver to run an 8-10 yard 'Dig' route, Wilson's runs a similar hook route to the Rams Mesh, creating a rub on the inside linebacker whom the QB is reading on the play and often freeing up the underneath crosser for an easy catch and run.
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Entire article: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...ssing-game-continues-after-only-shallow-gains
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bukIpower
Head Coach
Only thing that needs to be said was UFM thought JT played great and hit above the 60% accuracy on deep balls. May be Baugh turned the wrong way on that deep ball early in the first? Maybe Mack went the wrong way in the end zone?
Combine that with a missed pass interference and two drops and it's easy to see it wasn't bad like many think.
I think it's a crock how some buckeye fans want JT to sit after one game "because it's who he is" after we got for 600 yards offense. Just so lame.
Combine that with a missed pass interference and two drops and it's easy to see it wasn't bad like many think.
I think it's a crock how some buckeye fans want JT to sit after one game "because it's who he is" after we got for 600 yards offense. Just so lame.
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ShowMeBuck
You know what? Chicken butt.
We can speculate all we want. But I get a sense that inside the locker room the players know what's what. JT doesn't have an NFL skill set- meaning he doesn't have all the arm tools of an elite QB. But he does possess something many, many QBs don't have. An it factor. And he has led his team to a NC before and brings an enormous amount of game experience and leadership onto the field. I get a sense the WR room knows they collectively need to raise their game to match his and with the help of an elite OC will continue to do so as the season progresses. JT clearly has enough arm talent to win a NC..........if his WRs help him out.
I love where we are at.
I love where we are at.
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If we burn defenses enough with those short cross type routes where Campbell or whoever gobbles up massive YAC that could eventually open up the deep ball more.
Using Dobbins as a receiver should help as well, those 2 wheel routes against IU were sweet. Give the defense more to think about.
Using Dobbins as a receiver should help as well, those 2 wheel routes against IU were sweet. Give the defense more to think about.
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sammyjenkis
Hall of Fame
I just watched the game on espn sky cam. If that is the play I'm thinking of, Baugh had his man beat deep and it looked like the ball was thrown for him to continue on a straight line. There would have been nobody between him and the endzone, although I assume he would have been caught before he made it there.
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