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Game Thread 2017 Cotton Bowl: OSU vs. USC - 12/29/17 @ 8:30 ET (ESPN)

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cincibuck said:
Weather? I've seen many a sunbelt game played in horrible conditions. It wasn't so very long ago that UCLA and USC had to re-schedule games due to smoke. Going south or west is no guarantee of good weather.

And why should Ohio State/Big Ten fans to shell out for transportation, room and board, plus tickets every year?

And who do you think gets the extra tickets after the teams split their 32K? Locals, the CoC, politicians, sales gerbils, B list celebrities. And which teams do you think they support? It sure ain't the buckeyes.

So do you want a vacation or a fucking NATIONAL championship game? You want to play the final four in Lexington or Chapel Hill every year?

I double ass guarantee you the Buckeyes, Michigan State, and Michigan would have no less than 3 more NCs combined if the gmes had been outside of LA.

Just watched Army - Navy and Buffalo and Indy play outdoors in December and guess what, they were good games.
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sammyjenkis said:
Even if the cities hold little interest for you, the weather is a big deal. For a playoff at least, you'd need a dome for a northern game. I don't know of any near nyc. You want to play in Indy twice in a row?
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And yet there will be NFL playoff games in January in the cold and snow of Boston, NJ, Pittsburgh, Denver and freaking Green Bay and maybe even one day again in Chicago or Cleveland.

If I want balmy ocean breezes blowing in while I order both the lobster AND the cracked crab, there's a time and place for that, and it's not while watching Ohio State win a national championship.
 
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They mystery over the mechanics of expanding D1A CFB playoffs is really much ado over nothing. DII and DIII already do it.

They take the top 32 teams and start playing it off with home based games for the higher seed starting in late November. All of the arguments about how hard it is on the players are kind of moot if all the FCS and lower schools already do it.

The real hurdle would be the Bowl cabal. They represent a group of well connected people who have tens to hundreds of millions of dollars at stake. They aren't going to give that up without a fight no matter what the average fan may want.

Here is my wild ass system:

Break the P5 into 13 hyper regional pods or divisions. For instance, Ohio State is in this theoretical group:
OSU
Pitt
WVU
PSU
UM

So 4 of your 12 regular season games are in division and will produce a champion. The other 8 games are on a big rotating schedule with the other 12 pods/divisions. If the division breaks up a rivalry maybe create a scheduling rule where a school has 1 protected non divisional rivalry per year.

Now everyone has played each other a great deal more so you can come up with a pretty stable ranking/tie break system, a la pro sports, to seed the field.
  • you have 13 division winners that get an auto bid
  • add 3 at large berths to make a field of 16
  • Play 8 home based for higher seed games the week after regular season ends in lieu of CCG's (round 1)
  • Play 4 home based games two weeks later. All my system does it cut out one of the 4 weeks of current idle time between CCG week and first playoff games. Which week can be adjusted for Holiday schedule and such(round 2)
  • Follow current system for rounds 3 & 4
Pro's
  • Bigger field
  • emphasis on winning your division
  • still alive in those great seasons with one loss to a division opponent
  • all of the inter division P5 games would actually make the regular season a lot more interesting and fun
  • shouldn't hurt Rivalry games
Con's:
  • runs afoul of CCG and the revenue they represent
  • runs afoul of current conference structures
  • kills non P5 schools because they would get those OOC paychecks
  • Non-P5 schools are locked out completely come to think of it

It would never happen but think how cool the regular season could be if you had divisions like that
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
If I want balmy ocean breezes blowing in while I order both the lobster AND the cracked crab, there's a time and place for that, and it's not while watching Ohio State win a national championship.
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I dunno. Watching OSU win a natty and having those other things at the same time actually sounds pretty awesome. Of course, it would take a really bad environment, like Turkish prison or Ped St shoiwer bad, to make watching OSU win a natty not be awesome.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Here is my wild ass system:
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1. I like that you're forcing teams to play other "Power 5" teams.
2. What I DON'T like is that a team could go maybe 3-9 and get into the playoffs. I understand that that team probably will get blasted in the first round at the #1 team's home stadium, but the fact that they're in the playoffs bothers me.
3. I definitely like that you're playing in the better seeds' home stadiums.

Here's my stupid system:

Split the "Power 5" into 8 9-team conferences. The NCAA will schedule 2 games vs. other "Power 5" teams - one home and one away. If you want to play a neutral site game, fine, but over the span of X years, roughly an equal number of home games need to be played as away games. If you want to preserve an out-of-conference rival, I say that it's OK as long as it's a fairly equal rivalry. For instance, if you're Alabama, don't think you can ask to preserve a rivalry with Indiana. These 2 games aren't necessarily at the beginning of the season, either. They'll be spread out throughout the season so that we can be reasonably sure that we'll have interesting games all season.

Next the conferences will schedule the in-conference games. Everyone plays 4 home and 4 away games. Everyone plays everyone else within the conference. Conference champions are the way they are now - conference record first, then head-to-head. If there's a 3-way tie, look at some other rankings. (That's not hard to figure out.)

Final 2 games would be home games against non-P5 teams so that they get paid. If you want to play an FCS team, it doesn't count as a win (assuming you win), but it would count as one of your 12 games.

8 conference champs get in, with 8 more at-large. In the first round, the 8 conference champs are guaranteed seeds 1-8, unless they are ranked behind a G5 team. (In that case, those teams would get the higher seed.) No P5 non-champion can get a 1-8 seed.

Home field advantage to the better seed, with the exception that since the conferences are losing the CCGs, they can require that the "home" games for their champion must be played at their current CCG location. So, if Ohio State wins the Big Ten, Ohio State's home game would be at Lucas Oil Stadium. Likewise, if a team figured out a way to not win its conference and still get a home game (maybe in a later round), the conference can require that that team has to play at the current CCG location.

Re-set the tournament each round, so if a 16 happens to beat a 1, they don't get the 8 or 9 next - they get the 2 next.

Better seeds always get home field advantage (see above) until the final game. None of this "winner of the Sugar Bowl goes to the championship game" crap.
 
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